I still wish Sasuke would have gotten a speedy miniature susanoo to match Naruto's KCM as his power up.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/333/4/e/sasuke_full_ems_awakening_by_nagatofan1000-d4hndkf.png

 

Naruto's chakra construct also had him using Kurama's face like a cockpit, which is rather Susano'o like (if it's huge like Madara's or Sasuke's can be). Seems reasonable to conjecture that Ashura was a jinchuuriki of some sort, especially since so much of their powers depend on finding harmony with a Bijuu.

That Ashura's looked so much like Susano'o might only be an indication of how his powers developed at that time and in response to his brother.

That, or he wasn't a jinchuuriki at all and perhaps simply convinced one or more of them to grant him their chakra, much like Naruto managed to do later on.

 

I don't think Ashura was a jinchuuriki. At least, not while his father was still alive. I doubt Hagoromo would have approved of imprisoning the bijuu. I suppose there's a chance they freely gave their chakra to Ashura, but even so, I don't think his chakra construct was really related to the bijuu.

It's been stated that Naruto's new power-up is the senjutsu of the Six Paths, and I'm guessing that was also the nature of Ashura's power. The chakra construct was probably made of natural energy.

 

I also wonder if Ashura had Mokuton.

And just for reference:

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/19

Whatever it is has tails and beast legs/mask, and now I can't tell whether those are Bijuu Bombs or those weird black orbs Naruto and Madara have. Or both.

Your explanation seems better though.

 

Orochimaru didn't really need to know about Indra. He just commented on the potential he sensed in Sasuke's sharingan as being more than Itachi's.

Susanoo is always speedy. Making it small wouldn't do anything. As a MS jutsu it presumably moves as fast as the user's eyes can track. The better the eyes the faster it moves.

 

I had to read the chapter twice. Just cant seem to figure out what Sasuke is doing.

 

I am pretty sure that it is the true form of Izanagi.

 

You mean the Truth Seeking Balls? Well, yes in essence they are the same as Izanagi. They are both after all derived from Hagoromo's 'Creating Of All Things'. If I'm right, both Madara and Naruto can create almost anything from their Truth Seeking Balls. And whatever they create can nullify all ninjutsu not empowered by Nature Chakra.

But it's a whole shitload more complicated than that. I don't even fully understand it myself.

 

I was answering the previous post about what Sasuke was doing. What Sasuke possesses is Izanagi. I believe that is different from creation of all things and only Naruto and Madara posses that ability. I also don't believe Madara can do a perfect Izanagi.

 

Oh, my bad then.

But do you mean like a new level of Izanagi? Because if it was the old one the use of it would cost his eye.

 

It was stated back during Sasuke's fight with Danzo or Maybe Itachi said it during his fight with Kabuto, but An Uchiha will go blind if he uses Izanagi or Izanami if he or she doesn't have the cells from the Senju clan. Now however it has basically been stated that you need the cells from the reincarnated SoSP sons in order to upgrade your eyes and ocular techniques. So in a nut shell because Madara has the cells of Hashirama a previous reincarnation he won't go blind if he uses Izanagi or Izanami he probably needs both eyes though and Sasuke has accepted the power from SoSP so he probably has an even greater form of those techniques greater even than Madara probably. If Madara continues his evolution he will eventually possess the power of the Rabbit Goddess.

She must have possessed all of these abilities or the SoSP and his sons may have simply been mutations of her powers we don't really know.

 

I don't think it was said that Uchiha with Senju cells don't go blind from Izanagi. It was said that they needed them to use it in the first place. Creation of all things would be an advanced form of Izanagi that didn't cause blindness and would presumably be what Sasuke is doing now. Truth seeking balls are an unrelated technique and seem like an even more advanced form of Oonoki's dust release jutsu.

 

Itachi used Izanami and wen't blind. He did not have senju cells. Kakshi's eye is going blind because he doesn't have senju cells. Obito has not gone blind because he has senju cells. The only way for an Uchiha to not go blind is if he has senju cells or EMS. Obito used Izanami when fighting Konan but lost an eye because he does not possess the SoSP chakra hence he could not do Izanami without losing an eye. Now Madara and Sasuke have SoSP chakra they can do Izanami or Izanagi without fear of blindness.

 

Stop rambling. We're not talking about everything in Narutoverse that causes blindness. Kakashi has nothing to do with anything here. Izanami is related to Izanagi but is not stated to have the same requirements to use.

Danzo had both Uchiha and Senju cells when he used Izanagi against. Obito had both Uchiha and Senju cells when he used Izanagi against Konan. Both had to sacrifice sharingan to use the jutsu so having both clan's power doesn't prevent blindness as you previously stated it would.

 

That was never said. Any Uchiha with a mature sharingan can use Izanagi or Izanami. When Itachi was explaining the jutsus' history he pretty much said that back in the old days, Izanagi overuse was destroying the Clan.

* In response to a later comment you made* - Danzou needed H-Cells because he isn't an Uchiha and implanting as many as he wanted would have required physically reinforcing his body. Not because it's necessary for Izanagi.

 

Logically one would think you're right. Why would the Uchiha have a jutsu that can only be used with Senju cells? However it was directly stated that the Senju's power was needed for the jutsu. http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-10/naruto/chapter-510.html

According to Obito's speculation Danzo's primary reason for implanting both Hashirama cells and sharingan was because he wanted to be able to personally control the Kyuubi. Izanagi spamming would have been a secondary goal.

 

Hmm...The only explanation that would make this scenario make sense is that, the earlier Uchiha were genetically close enough to The Sage to be able to use a bastardized version of his Creation of All Things ability, Izanagi. Years of having the bloodline watered down led to Uchiha that needed to integrate a portion of Ashura's chakra into themselves to use the ability.

 

That explanation is the most reasonable. The sharingan has clearly diluted a lot. Indra was born with the sharingan, and he activated EMS (I assume, since he did not go blind and could use perfect susanoo) naturally (no one to take eyes from). These days not all Uchiha can even activate the sharingan, and those that do find it hard, having to generally awaken 1 tomoe at a time. And getting EMS is near impossible.

However it should be pointed out that presumably just Senju DNA was enough for Izanagi. Not all Senju have Ashuras chakra afterall, he possesses just 1 person every generation.

 

So...based on that quote...I think we should just change the name of the Manga from Naruto to Ashura. Then after this whole generation dies off we can get the spin off series of Ashura's next incarnation. Or maybe go backwards a bit? I don't know. Seems like the BS people would pay money for.

 

Obviously going backwards would be more interesting. It's the same as Avatar I imagine. Bunch of unexplored history to play around with but for some reason they decide to set the next series when all the real problems have been solved.