Said the one that's given me a town read over and over

Reread my posts and tell me I give a duck about town cred

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And if you were actually seer ika, you wouldn't check me anyway. You'd trust your ability to be able to read me and wouldn't waste your night action. But I enjoyed the reaction test, we should do it again sometime

 

i'm presuming you are referring to the plan we all post hypothetical seer notes and stop if someone claims a guilty (or the seer is NKed at night).

What happens is this...

d2 === Seer reveals target
N2 === Seer dies
D3 === We have confirmed town (in the seer's target)
N3 === Scum must kill the conftownie or have major problems


The longer the seer lives (hence why we all wifom claim), the quicker the scum must prioritize killing the seer over any other particular player.

If we adopt my plan and the seer lives through three nights without a guilty, then we're at D4. The seer has essentially confirmed most of the town as the seer and two checks will all be town versus a three man scumteam (worst case given 13 players). It's a terrible situation for scum as they'd have to kill the seer that night, or it's claim and game.

The objective is to generate conftowns. The more conftowns, the less room scum have to move to push mislynches. Sometimes, the scum team may choose to sacrifice a weaker scum to push themselves into the end game (this is known as "bussing"). Usually that happens if a player is particularly bad, but can also happen when scum have little options on mislynches and need to develop towncred for the end of the game. I've only successfully bussed once but I win a lot as scum due to the ability to prevent conftowns.

If I propose a plan to generate conftowns, you can either infer that a) I'm town, b) I have a method to get on that conftown list or c) I have a plan to stop too many conftowns from coming from that.

---------- Post automerged at 05:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 PM ----------

Citrus, there are different thoughts as to how to play a seer (cop) role.

First, there is the person who checks what they have already done to verify they are on the right track.

Second, there is the person who checks the unknown to help solve the puzzle. This type of player tends to think more in alignment pairs more often than not.

Third, there is the person who checks to disprove a theory they have (or someone else has). This player typically is worried aobut getting tunnel vision or someone else doing that.

The last major school of thought is to check the guy who would provide the most information for other players in the game and generate reactions.

So no, there's no reason ika or any other seer would automatically feel the need to not check you.

 

Curtis you reacted accordingly

 

Curtis might be town

 

How many ways can you mispell my name Ika?

Titus, that assumes the Seer never checks someone who was night killed. Your plan is not as shiny as you're making it out to be. I understand its merits, but I my experience playing the hypo-game on other sites has generally led to more benefits to scum than benefits to town.

A good Seer can always soft results without being obvious anyways

 

Anyone think team could ve lyrim sloth or sloth is scum right now?

---------- Post automerged at 07:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:52 PM ----------

Or at least sloth is scum?

 

You're supposing good players Citrus. You're also supposing those players are good at seeing softclaims and they'd magically see a softclaim when scum wouldn't. The truth is that scum are more primed to see softclaims than town because spotting PRs is more important for scum than town.

You are right that I'm assuming the seer doesn't check someone who was NKed but that doesn't happen too often, especially with this many bodies to wade through. If that does happen, the risk is minimal. There is less than zero risk if ika is truly the seer because this provides wifom and the distance between him and me should be enough for them to keep him.

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It could be anything. I'm focused more on reactions and setting up the most optimal day 2 than scumhunting given no one would feel any pressure from a Titus attack yet.

That and scumhunting while drinking is usually bad, unless skype mafia.

 

Noone said anyone has to go hunting for soft claims. The point is if/when someone flips Seer you can then go look through their reads and run off their reads - if they solo try a wagon and fail, push that wagon etc. If they randomly defend someone, jump them on town read.

If you're as explicit as you say in your plan, scum can narrow down the Seer very quickly. If you're much softer/more subtle, scum have to scramble to piece it together because practically anything could be relevant in their eyes. Then we can also note if we see players softing things like Ika and are night killed, what they are picking up on when PR hunting

 

I'm still waiting on the flip, that + NK will actually give us some information. Are we in Twilight?

ika, as soon as I think I know what's going on in your head...you do a 180.

In general, if I'm town and someone reads me as scum...this makes me feel unfavorable to their reads and actually what they're saying. I know I'm town so if they are wrong about that then they are probably wrong about some other stuff too.

Riley, plz help with flip.

 

Citrus, the biggest problem with your approach is that it supposes that people won't solo push a wagon. I'll push a wagon until kingdom come if I feel scum are on it. That wouldn't mean I have any relation to being the seer at all. So I can't suppose someone else doing that would necessarily be the seer either.

Scum eventually will find the seer, but not as quickly as you plan. I think you're doubtcasting my plan because it poses a threat to you. Besides, since when am I subtle in anything? Let's see, I have a sledgehammer over here and a jackhammer over there. Which one passes as subtle?

It's much easier to hide something in too much data rather than too little data.

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We are in twilight. Sloth hammered.

Lyrium, I usually agree with that unless I have done something to deserve to be scumread.

 

Huh. Can't believe this is still open. I thought it was two hours?

Anyway, I'm catching up, will reply as I go along.

 

Know what I'm gonna Chaco sloth I things i

 

@Dermon

These two contradict each other.
Isn't Tunnel relentlessly pressuring someone and pressing for a lynch on them? Where did Snow do that? My whole deal with him is his lack of contribution and hunting.

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...you're going to what things?

 

I'm gonna check sloth,

Titus after checking the game do it again in my format

 

Titus and ika: Have you ever used this hypoclaim plan before? How did it work?

 

Or way I do

 

^ signature material right here

 

lol dying

/10char

 

Once. I used it in a live game with ika (he was already dead though if memory serves). 4 alive, 1 scum no guaranteed cop but all cops were guaranteed sane.

I was killed at night afterwards. Scum claimed cop (and they had checked me). They were lynched because someone else had a tracker claim that was more plausible.

 

Shush lyrim

I'm sad you got scum too