I sort of get what you're trying to say here, but you're proposing we should be lynching strong Townreads instead of people we see evidence of scummy behavior because of weak cases.
Also, you haven't really given a single reason why I'd be more likely scum on my own. You seem to say "hm, dermon was scum...ok Sloth is probably scum too!" with no argument for that being right or connecting us. In fact, you could replace 'Sloth' for literally anyone and have the same. I'm sorry, but that's fact: you haven't provided anything.
What happens if you get my lynch going, and I flip Town? Does that mean you should be next because you're Townread as well?

Fonti was my mentor. Look at our mentor QT in Dresden. She generally let me make my own choices and mistakes.
And it's not a simplistic scumtell, given that it took until D4 and an in-depth analysis to catch it.
You honestly don't see what's off with how he addressed Dermon?

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There's a little over 30 minutes so I can't really reply to your response to my arguments on Atum, I'll do those Tomorrow, if alive.

Ok. NL. Fantastic.

First, Mathblade: Do you still think I'm scum? You haven't replied to my counter to your case on me, and you said you'd compose and argument on #1585. Anything?

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Atum, you're watching the thread, anything to say?

 

@Rubicon: You asked a while ago why I thought TerRaine may have been shot. My guess is it was because most players had abandoned the thought of her being a wolf by the end of D3, and at this point it would make sense to lynch the most town firmed players as scum. I don't really understand why Sloth is alive at this point, since it's only recently he's been labeled suspicious, and Math is basically the lone voice on the argument, though I agree it deserves a closer look considering how little sense the NK's seem to make. With both you and Sloth still alive and one of you definitely town, the TerRaine kill doesn't seem particularly beneficial.

@Sloth: I can see why you might read my early vote on TerRaine as scummy, though I don't understand your point about "placeholder questions." If I ask you a question it's to better understand how you think about the game, both to help determine your alignment and to get a look at how some more experienced players see things. Furthermore, you're reading way too much into my early interaction with Dermon, and disregarding the fact that I point out early on that he seems to be regurgitating Rubicon's stance on things like ika's play being inconsistent with first roll meta. At the same time I'm pretty sure you were leaning town for the same posts which you qualified as scum hunting despite the above. I don't follow through early on because I've been learning to do so, and in my opinion have improved in that regard.

@MathBlade: I agree that we should take a closer look at Sloth, but at the same time, I don't like many of your arguments, because it looks like you're doing the same thing to him you were to me. I think I may have suffered from a similar issue, looking at posts in isolation solely to prove the alignment I believed at the time and it lead to my stances on ika and Maiden. Just a thought, I haven't really found a workable approach yet, but so far my experience with that hasn't worked out.

@Everyone: Yes, fonti's my mentor. She's been great thus far and so Snowvon I will be following your earlier advice and giving her a flower. That being said, I guess she's not necessarily mentoring the way your posts seem to assume. General game knowledge and advice? Sure. Resources? Yes. Advice on how to help Town this game? Absolutely. That information is at my disposal. Sometimes, I don't follow that advice well. For numerous reasons but the end result I guess is me being a possible compromise lynch on a really bad day to hit a mislynch, even if we caught a break with the mbond modkill.

Maybe when I gave my opinions on things they weren't as definitive as you all would like. Might be the literature student in me but allow me to make my position more firm.

As of right now my lynch order goes: Rubicon => Snowvon => Sloth

Rubicon because like I mentioned D1 it looks like Dermon is following his lead on appearing Town by repeating his ika argument. Dermon votes him D1 when there's little pressure on him and it ends up going nowhere, possible attempt at distancing. Rubi responds by noting his "defence" of ika in the same post which also goes nowhere. Answers a question from Rubicon about Sloth's attack. And... I need to cut this off and look back at Dermon's stuff because I'm running out of time here. RL stuff again, aka physics lab.

Snowvon gets listed as one of Dermon's top 3 scumspects along with ika and TerRaine. Not damning by any means but definitely worth paying attention to if we follow the patterns you guys seem to when scum hunting.

Sloth is also going to need a later read-through.

I rushed this at the end a bit but I hope this is coherent.

 

Back, haven't read, deliberately not voting

 

Mathblade, come on, 9 minutes. Do you still think I'm scum? Are you going to be pointlessly stubborn about this until I flip?

 

We still have twilight right?

 

In line due to time constraints. My text will be this color. Even though I hate neon it is clear. Please also note that this was done really really quick and with little to no time for proofing and if I get close to 7 pm I may have to submit this incomplete.

 

I'll go ahead and skip reading this for now and take that as a yes.
(We can't vote at Twilight.)

If anybody thinks Mathblade's argument have merit, vote on me right now. I'll hammer.
4 minutes, guys.

 

If there is Twilight I will try to finish this later tonight. Since no lynch I doubt it. And until I see a decent rebuttal IMO you will be scum. I just haven't seen it yet. There's a lot of attack the attacker and ATE but not much defense except for a few bits I have countered.

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Sloth people need time to read. Delphine was hesitant to hammer before. 4 minutes is not enough time and you know it.

 

DAY 4 ENDS!

The Town Gathered, and much arguing commenced. With so far, worry over security began to increase and the need for information was great. The town could not come to a consensus. No one was lynched.

Vote Count:

Atum (2) - Sloth, Rubicon
Sloth(1) – MathBlade
Rubicon (1) – SnowVon

Night Ends at this time

DUE TO NO LYNCH THERE IS NO TWILIGHT.

 

..Wait what? The clock says 2 minutes, Riley.

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Sorry, just saw the no Twilight thing.

 

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DAY 5 DAWNS RED

There was a vicious attack in the village during the night.

Monochrome lies on her bed, guts torn open and savage bite marks cover her body. The Villagers spot a tangled sheet lying on the floor on shredded, a sign of her poor attempt at defense.

Monochrome was a Villager

Day 5 dawns red.

Live List
1. Monochrome Dead Villager
2. TerRaine Dead Villager
3. Sloth
4. Citrus Dead Villager
5. Atum
6. Maiden Dead Villager
7. Ika Dead Villager
8. Lyrium Dead Seer
9. Rubicon
10. MathBlade
11. Titus Dead Villager
12. Snowvon
13. mbond98 Dead Villager

With 5 alive its 3 to lynch.

Day 5 ends at this time

 

Gasp, shock, how could they??, etc.

I still want Rubicon, but if you slide me a $50 and we can talk about Atum.

 

Send me your paypal and we can work something out.

I read all of Sloth's posts during the night, will write up the important parts and then move onto Atum then Snowvon.

NL wasn't a bad idea so good job on that.

 

No MathBlade?

 

@Delphine: Don't kill me. I kept the times safe to keep you around as long as I could but I had to present the evidence for Sloth to kill you. The reason why is in the Rubicon/Snow section.

@Rubicon/Snow: Stop fighting with each other. Here's why.
Assume one of you is scum. This means at least ONE of you is town.
A scum has to focus on a lynch today. Since Snow agreed with a no lynch in order to make sure we got the right person.
Think about the only person who didn't agree on a No Lynch and continued pushing someone. *Cough*Sloth*Cough*
Snow's agreement: https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost.php?p=725625&postcount=1580
This was absolutely the right play.


I still insist Atum is town but at this point it is better if two TOWNIES are not fighting each other at the end game. If they are Sloth wins and we all did a major derp as scum. While I wholeheartedly believe Atum is scum if no one is lynched and Atum has two votes, I'll put the last one in the coffin and here is why:

Sloth cannot leave me until the end game. Period. There's not enough to lynch me so it will be stupid of him to not night kill me. I can't be scum else I would be blacklisted for life for lying about bastard mod play and people breaking rules. The exception to this is if town still derps and refuses to believe me and if he is willing to take that risk.

Sloth can't leave Atum until the night game because Atum is starting to believe in the possibility of a scummy player and if he abandons his vote now it will alert suspicion on him. There has been nothing presented to change his mind.

Sloth's best play is to have a Rubicon/Snow arguing with each other over who is the scum. Then one of you votes for the other, Sloth hammers and it is game.

The other option he can have is one but not both of us at end game and then Rubicon. (Sorry Snow) Atum still suspects Rubicon so this would put the game ending decision in his hands.

Delphine looked like the safe play on the surface but she still believed in the possibility of Sloth scum. She's the one who vocalized it. Yes everyone knew she was town but it's not a shock but we absolutely have to get rid of Sloth. The other option is Atum which I explain in a bit.

And on the OFF chance I am wrong about Sloth, which I'm not. Then Rubicon almost certainly is the scum. Atum has had a frame up job and the arguments I've presented are rather clear. Snow on the other hand is doing the right thing for town and would not risk his own partner being mod killed.

Rubicon scum can't have myself or Sloth in the finale or he is screwed. If we lynch Sloth and he flips town Rubicon has to NK me or I'm voting Rubicon's ass and so is Snow. Town wins.

Therefore the town play is to vote Atum or Sloth.

I am against lynching a townie but if Atum is not lynching by within one hour of no lynch I will lynch Atum.

VOTE SLOTH

 

Snowvon: Thoughts about Math are already scattered through my posts, no change there from the reread yesterday except the thing I said about her conviction. I don't think anyone here seriously scum-reads her except Atum.

In the meantime, let's bounce questions off each other.

Why do you think your play has been lackluster this game, especially your scumhunting? What explanation would you give?

How would you explain your own reaction to Dermon's flip?

Why were you on the Maiden and ika wagons?

If you lynched me today, who would you lynch tomorrow?

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We should try not to have more than one vote on any wagon until deadline to avoid a scum hammer (this is not LyLo but we need both lynches)

 

Ok just NO on SO MANY LEVELS.

1) We are not lynching you. It is a stupid move right now. Inevitably this will lead to a Sloth/Atum/me finale and will most likely result in an Atum having to pick the winner instead of having a clear scum. If on the off chance you are scum then you will get your ass poned in the last week because then Snow and whoever is left will vote your ass and town wins.

2) Snow is new. He's picking up some of the finer points. That is why his play is lackluster. Problem solved...Do not get hung up on a friggin townie. I swear to God Rubicon you cannot still have Snow in your scum list at the end of the day or we are probably fucked.

 

I might not, who knows. But I still want him to answer.

 

............Snow answer really fucking well please.