I don't test well.

I'm thinking it's because of you guys (and not in the way I know that sounds). You know I also play on MS, and there I don't ever feel hesitant to voice my thoughts. I think the problem here is it's a smaller, more intimate group, and I worry more about being wrong + looking dumb.

Ugh, explaining hypotheticals hurts me. Honestly, I didn't pay much attention to him after the reroll. I don't even know if I would have voted for him. Maybe an "Okay, that worked out nicely," and then go back through his posts for interactions. It also depends on when he would have flipped, how many people were townfirmed at that point.

I haven no excuse for Maiden. I hopped on the wagon to avoid NL and because enough people seemed to scumread her, I thought maybe it would work out. I voted ika because the only thing that was really stopping me from scumreading him was his rage posts and I didn't want to question whether they were fake or not because he screamed at MathBlade several times for doing so. Sloth said something like "you don't think he'd throw a fit to get his way?" so I just went for it.

tl;dr stupid dumb town

That heavily depends on the NK and your flip.

 

Also, as a modnote, please stop fucking with the tags, this is getting ridiculous.

 

I promise not to touch alter or otherwise touch the tags. Current tag status for you Riley.

#a random tag about cupcakes and icing and deliciousness, #all the pretty rainbows shine bright like a diamond, #another totally random tag this time with sprinkles on top, #lyrium flirting with everyone, #wolves be killing the ladies at night, because rainbows, flirting, i really miss lyrium's flirting *sigh*, lack of tag abuse ?!, leave the tag alone or i'm calling the cops, noooo lyrium is dead! no more flirting , pls stop too many words, puts a bouquet of flowers on lyrium's grave, tag abose alert, tag from the grave, the cops are not your friends so go ahead and call them, titus is here! now things get really interesting...., why are so many of these tags about lyrium's flirting?!

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@Snow: Sorry for that...I just want Rubicon to pay attention to what I am saying. I got a little bit frustrated that he continued after I pointed out how stupid it was.

Even if he continues to believe you're scum which is an insane derp the votes won't be there for the lynch.

 

I can sympathize with that, although I don't think anyone is going to hold being wrong in a mafia game against you... mafia is basically about being wrong the majority of the time and slowly becoming righter as the game progresses.

Right, then ignoring the NK and assuming I'm town because otherwise the game would end with my lynch. Who do you think is scum if I'm town? Sloth/Atum/MathBlade?

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Every time I see this tag the song gets stuck in my head.

 

@Rubicon: What song?

--- As far as I'm concerned almost everything for me is fluff almost so don't kill me for having fun with this last day.

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Well hopeful last day if everyone understands. LOL

 

This one<br><br>FIND LIGHT IN A BEAUTIFUL SEA<br>I CHOOOSE TO BE HAPPYYYYYY<br>

 

This one<br><br>FIND LIGHT IN A BEAUTIFUL SEA<br>I CHOOOSE TO BE HAPPYYYYYY<br>

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Shit I'm talking html again

 

@Rubicon

Well the NK is kind of important because of the townfirm.

And for scum, out of the remaining living players I'd have to say Sloth. I'm not sheeping MathBlade, but in this scenario where you're conftown I believe Sloth is cunning enough to get through the majority of the game undetected on his own. This is my first time playing with Atum so I can't say for him, and MathBlade at this point is as close to living conftown as we're gonna get since nobody is scumreading her.

You said in one of your readwalls that Sloth would be fucked when he rolled scum because you believed he wouldn't be able to keep up the town facade if he wasn't actually town. What do you think of MathBlade's latest posts about scum!Sloth?

 

Ah okay Listening.

And you know...Just for everyone's sanity...That wasn't a last question to Snow to see his opinion wasn't for end game to see who to take with? Ya know...to determine your town play

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**And the lightbulbs are starting to appear**

Because IMO Scum HAS to be Sloth or Rubicon because of the Delphine kill. This is why we HAVE to kill Sloth because he is the most likely.

I know Sloth can still think I'm bat shit crazy but I gambited to get the Delphine kill I needed. The no lynch was huge for that and now we can have just one or the other in end game. This is literally the only safe play with those 5 people still in play. If we lynched this provided them with waaaaaaaaaay too much freedom.

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I refuse to believe that Atum has the skillset to go through every night kill frame Sloth and on top of that make Sloth lie to Rubicon in Titus's player strength with 0 posts to do it in. If he did that in his first game on the board then he can take his scum prize and go pat himself on the back.

 

@Atum

So you don't think Citrus' last message was important at all? He basically left saying "TerRaine is scum, get her!"

I get that, however that question on ML was a basics mechanic question, for example. Nothing that really gives you an insight, just basic knowledge. That's what I mean by placeholder question.

No, I'm aware you were saying that. The issue I brought up was that you brought it up, unheeded (basically parroting things Rubicon already said as well), and after bringing it up...nothing. No follow-through, no pressing. Just an occasional comment of 'hey, still think he's scummy.'

^I'm going to ask you to elaborate on this section. Might because I'm tired, but this doesn't make sense to me.

I'd like to know your stance on Mathblade. Given the way you address her in this paragraph, I get the impression you no longer find her scummy. Is that the case?

This seems to support that.

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@Snowvon

Can you point me to your strongest cases on Rubicon and Atum?
Rereading your posts, you haven't exactly given a case post-modkill, and before it, I actually see your arguments on Atum as more prominent.
What about Rubicon convinces you? Is it the Dermon interactions you pointed out? What about the ones I gave on Atum?

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@Rubicon

Come at me bro, I suppose?

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@Mathblade
Sigh. Just going to say this once: I wash my hands off you.

If my offering to be lynched yesterDay was not enough to make you at least doubt your empty arguments, I seriously wonder if me flipping Town will just result on you saying it's a trick I pulled off. I'm not wasting my time anymore.
And before you bring it up, yes, 4 minutes. You completely and totally close your eyes to the fact I was literally calling for you and pressing you 30 minutes before Day end. I asked how many people were on 40 minutes before, to make sure we had enough. You just took that long to answer, which I'd love to hear you explain how it is my fault.
Point being, fine. If you can get enough people to follow you, lynch me.
We have 48 hours till day end. In the meantime, will you PLEASE stop focusing on me and look at others with the idea of me being Town?

Also, what I will address what you say on others, such as atum:

On this section, this wasn't my analysis, this was just me replying to his comment and pressing him.

I don't understand how I could have possibly pushed Snow more than I did, specially when I was very driven about it D1. Afterwards I focused on other targets, because they were stronger after Rubicon's argument.

Atum has already addressed the mentor bit. Also, here's my mentor QT with Fontisian. That's not how she works. You now have tangible proof.

Addressed this above.

This wasn't an argument, I was pressing him and wanting to have him say something more solid.

I'm not sure how this could be said about me. There's a difference between expecting the Night soon when there's a timer for it, and expecting a modkill in the middle of the Day. It's not the same thing, Mathblade.
When did you mention the pressure was weak?

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost.php?p=725407&postcount=1532 This WAS indeed the analysis I was talking about.

And you shouldn't have responded to them one by one: They sections bundled together (without a line between them) are compounded arguments displaying conflicts and scummy behavior. If you can try again. Otherwise, I'll just highlight the important parts...

Why would him mentioning he hopes I'm not scum matters? He's saying I'm his Towniest read and it would suck if I was Wolf. That's how everyone feels about their townreads. That's 1.
2, why does his comment about me matters? The comment about Dermon does because he's confirmed scum, and the mention of him for no particular reason could point to partner.

So you don't see the problem with what I point out on Ter and Burkion.

This is the only one I'll point out, but it's one of several. This is an example of you reading it wrong. They were clumped together in my read, meaning they were connected: That whole thing (485+602) was me saying I didn't see Delphine's point.

With no explanation and very suddenly? Ok.

Could be, he's new, he seems honest. Do you realize how often you say that here? Also, 1483 was on the same Day as where he was attacking her and then backing off despite fair arguments.

Speaking of, you DO say that a lot: He seems honest. So why exactly does he 'seeming honest' mean more than my valid points and the honesty you've seen in me throughout the game?

Assume this happens. Why is it a problem? Look above to my replies to Atum. He doesn't not listing you as a lynch. Aren't you reading his posts?

No. Read WIFOM. Compare his gameplay then to now.
He was very active, very involved, and though he wasn't the best at it, he tried to read.
These are not hard differences to spot Mathblade. This is not his first game. He's fairly new yes, but you can't just say 'eh, new, who cares,' when you've seen him play much better (less withdrawn and scared of attention) in another setting that was, in fact, the last game before this one.

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Quick announcement guys: ...I really hate doing this, but I won't be here at all most of Wednesday. Perhaps a few hours in the afternoon, but definitely not be around for Day End.
My job comes first: I have a meeting first thing in the morning, followed immediately by a presentation, a quick lunch, then a training seminar I've been putting off, some free time (where I'll be here, hopefully), and then a fitness session.

Hopefully we'll have a solid idea of where things are in 24 hours.

 

@Sloth: I'm done too. I gave you Atum as a valid play. If you can convince everyone three people that Atum is scum. Lynch him. Stop hopping all over the map and then suggesting Snow is being scummy. We have two lynches. When he flips town everyone will be on you like paper covers rock in that play. And if Rubicon wins because of this I will blame you until the cows come home.

For snow to remain undetected except for you day one is absolute shit. I'm sorry but two days on the board and he can frame you for every night kill and avoid detection for that long...Not buying what you are selling and why even push Snow if you believe Atum.


I've given you what you want...Go TAKE IT!

 

All in all, my readings haven't changed, though I'll be reading and pressing as much as I can today.

VOTE ATUM

In the event I do get lynched, REMEMBER MY READS.
I connected Atum to Dermon before we even knew he was scum. That means something.
Hopefully it won't come to my lynch, since I don't like gambles, but Atum seems like the better choice to Rubicon. And Snowvon...him I'm trying to reassess the most. (Snowvon, why is Rubicon the better choice?)
If I do get lynched, please guys, provide an actual, valid argument for it. That's all I ask. This is still not making sense.

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...You're not even reading, are you? -__-

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Why are so many members invisible?

 

Hell I even offered a freakin hammer at end of day Wednesday if you need it.

Make your Atum is scum play and ride it out. Lynch him if you believe it. Stop defending yourself the proof is in the pudding.

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Ninja'd sorry

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And off topic stop messing with the fucking tags please

 

I want to agree because I can tell how strongly she believes it and I don't want to ignore that, but I think she's making things way more complicated than they need to be here (like her Occam's razor comments yesterday).

The only thing I noticed in Sloth's posts is that he mentions his attitude toward night-kills and it matches up with what we've seen - but he has a clear thought process developing through his posts, everything is written from the mindset that he's town and other people need to prove themselves to him, he follows up on everything. He seemed to be pulling out some AtE yesterday about IRL stuff, but he's actually been pushing the "real life is sacred" idea throughout the game.

The most interesting Dermon interaction is in #1106 and the lack of knowledge of him in the #1283 follow-up (Dermon played WitchHunt).

I think the question 'would Snow vote Rubicon in LyLo' has been answered, lol.

I don't follow this but I want to.
Delphine was killed for being basically confirmed town, right? And if you and Sloth are both town, killing either of you would be dumb.

 

...You really aren't reading.
Not a single thing on my post was defense, Mathblade.
You know why I'm still pressing Snow? Because I could be wrong.

We have 1 mislynch chance left, and then no more. And I have 3 suspects. Rubicon and Atum are much stronger based on analysis (ANY thoughts on my NK analysis at all?), but there's still a chance Snow might be and asking him questions and providing arguments is how I either rule him out or scale him up on the meter.

I don't just assume I'm totally right and I've beaten the game. Until the actual flip, there's always doubt.

I replied to your points on Atum.
I've also read to your points on Atum before Dermon's reveal. Why do you think he's being framed again? He still looks scummy without Rubicon. And none of your arguments are destroyed by the knowledge of Dermon's role.
I also once asked you why anyone would frame ATUM or all people. The guy that was mostly Town in everyone's eyes for most of the game. Who would go into this game trying to frame him from the start? Snowvon is a more believable frame given how at this point everyone has commented on his poor play.
Explain why Atum?

And, once more, I'm asking you to look at the game from a Town!Sloth perspective. What are your reads then?

 

And I'm gonna have to stop you here because Snowvon has not avoided detection? A bunch of people wanted to lynch him D1. The main reason he's still here is because I thought he was sincere as hell and argued for him.

 

...Are you talking to me about that? The only tag I've made was the "Why are so many of these tags about lyrium's flirting?" one. Mods can check who made each tag, you know.

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So many ninjas in a row.

 

Delphine - This is literally their ONLY safe kill. Plus the timestamp argument makes it rather unavoidable. To a townie it's a focus on the digits.
Can't kill me -- This one should hopefully be obvious. If I died Sloth would be on one way ticket to lynch ville. If Rubicon killed me then Sloth would be next and based on my reads Rubicon would be next. This play doesn't make sense.

Can't kill Snow -- Rubicon's suspect disappears, then Atum, Delphine, Rubicon, Sloth, and myself remain. Atum and Delphine were open to Sloth lynching. Atum gets lynched and flips town. All of Rubicon's primary suspect is gone and a wild card after that. He'd have to either pick out of Sloth, me, or Delphine as to scum. It was time based impossible Delphine. He has me as a town read and I'd be blacklisted if I was scum so it would HAVE to be Sloth. Therefore he has to take me and Delphine to the end and hope to God that Delphine randomly flips out and decides I'm scum with no evidence and I've been presenting evidence on Sloth for a long while now.

Rubicon can't kill Snow he's been preaching snow for too long. This makes Rubicon instantly suspicious. Same reason Sloth can't kill Atum pretty much.

Can't kill Rubicon -- Atum would then maybe go to Snow or Sloth suspects. Delphine would be a wild card as she wasn't really posting her reads all that much. Snow would likely go to Atum. This again would result in Atum lynch if necessary at the end of the day and reveal Atum to be town and Sloth tunneled him. If I go to end game, he's screwed so Delphine Snow and Sloth in end game. Delphine confirmed town, Snow wouldn't vote for her so that means he HAS to go with Sloth. Delphine would be a wild card here but considering no one has been discussing Sloth and I'm demonstrating how every night kill points to him there's no way out.

Can't kill Atum -- That's his primary scumspect. It's the entire reason he's believable as town right now. If you remove that the frame job argument instantly pops into people's heads which again is something Sloth can't want. If Rubicon kills Atum, then Sloth becomes the wild card and would flip on Rubicon/Snow.

Sloth couldn't die because then you'd end up with a me flipping out on Rubicon.


Scum kills are about the END game not the CURRENT game. The scum has to be able to survive the end game. If we had lynched the kill scenarios would have been much different and allowed scum to hide.

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I have some of them but they've stayed since I've put them up. We've lost about half of them...It's annoying the fuck out of me. Leave it alone seriously.

 

Off-game, is the site flaking on anyone else? -__-

 

Off and on flakiness for me timeout errors Sloth

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Out of the three options even though I believe scum is only in Sloth/Rubicon I'm more comfortable giving Sloth his last chance to prove that Atum is the proper play because a) It's a game and it's a sign of checking my derp.

B) If Atum is town it almost scum firms Sloth and I have been right all along.

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If it happens to be C and Rubicon or Snow are scum then they can pat themselves on the back, claim their reward and smile, but I'm fairly confident that they are town as they wouldn't poke about mbond for being inactive.