No. That doesn't give an analysis of Fonti but merely doubtcasts those pushing for Fonti's lynch. I want WHY Fonti is where she us.

 

Sorry but I'm just posting in the breaks between LoL games atm so i can't really read/write long posts.

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Acutally which questions do you want me to answer, I can't find any that I haven't already?

 

BD, you haven't given anything but "reasons" for a fonti read. That's not acceptable. I asked fot bomb opinions got nothing from you.

I feel like I am on an island but for Kaidash. I prove up Poly is scum, but we can't lynch bc newbie. I prove Fonti is scum, get refusals but no disagreements. I bold bomb requests to discuss what standard I should use to give the bomb, I get air. I am reaching the point where I want to say fuck it let the judge decide but I selected the 24 hours to get some form of guidance. I really WANT to work with people but I need an intelligent conversation.

 

I'd like to see the bomb go to Lucky or Citrus. Probably Citrus, something that can be informative would be better on him considering how he's been absent.

The reasons aren't for my read, it's for why I don't want to lynch Fonti specifically today.

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Letting it go to judge is a terrible idea, judge can be scum.

 

This is basically my full opnion for the moment with a few added thoughts:

A.) Her GD plan, which she's being tunneled for, did have a net positive for town. +1
B.) Responses whilst defending her position seem to be hopping from explanation to explanation hoping for something to stick. -1
B1) Her explanations make sense for the most part. +0
C) Called me town +1
D) Is looking at some of the same things I am. +1
E) Not fully commiting to a hypothesis without actual crunchable data +1
F) Super defensive-ness would normally be a minus 1 but Ive been in that position before, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. +0

Overall that's a plus 2 which is about mid-high on my list.

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I am going to state that I'm fully ok with giving Fonti the bomb if that will clear up discussion of any kind. I'm not 100% on the bomb mechanics which is why I've been avoiding it in discussion.

Gotta work, I'll be back in about an hour.

 

Well yeah the judge can be scum but if the town refuses to lynch scum, what option is there? Scum have no incentive to bus and if the judge is scum, powerful PRs will drop like flies. So I need to actually be spojen with. I have no incentive to work with people if no one listens. I shouldn't have to yell and scream to have a dialogue.

Bill, why the hell is Fonti town enough not to lynch. Give me something beyond reasons. I can't get a scum lynch without talking. If you are town, you alloe scum the same blanket reason to refuse to bus.

 

Actually, Lynch Fontisian

Let's see where this goes.

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On a not really related note, I see a lot of people lately using the word tunneled/tunneling wrong. Tunneling isn't pushing a case on someone or trying to get them lynched, it's when you focus entirely on one person or thing to the exclusion of everything else.

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Riley, where is it that you get your E point from?

 

Bill Door has betrayed me. Excuse me while I go break something.

 

Riley, thank you.

A) What net positive? I got GD outed. That is a net negative.
B1) Making sense is a personality tell at best. People make more sense as scum bc they have more info.
C) Someone calling you town doesn't deserve points. Scum whiteknight. Depth is important. Fonti's tiwnlist is the active posters.
D) Scum steer conversations and facts to their liking. See the mini theme upick on my wiki for an excellent example of me doing that as scum.
E) I don't know what this means. Some hypos can be committed to without data. I need context.
F) Do you feel this is super defensive for Fonti? Is the focus on survivsl or catching scum? If the former, it's a scumsign. If the latter, null sign.

G) What about the goals disconnect?
H) Fonti's rolefishing?

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** I got = It got.

 

Hey Riley can you fill out ika's earlier list? For reference:

 

Mental note 627 may be a bus with Fonti objecting...it seems awkward for both t and t and tvs though. Filing away for later.

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He refused. Did you think through your Fonti read?

 

Ok, let explain how I feel for a moment before I go back to pushing scum off a cliff. I feel like I have put considerable effort into solving the game, but the towny things that are so blatantly obvious to me are hard to explain to other people. I feel like I am being pushed by you to get lynched for reasons I don't comprehend, because you seem to interpret every move I make to solve the game as scummy. I feel there is no way to defend myself because arguments against your points doesn't even seem to register with you and every argument I make turns people against me as I look more and more desperate to live, but I can't just leave your faulty arguments unchallenged either. I feel like you have made assumptions about my mindset without even asking me for clarification. Finally, I feel your focus on me has you ignoring my town and scum cases, which are really fucking strong. Could you please just read my points and then look at these people?

 

Same issue with fonti read as before, it was initially based on what I consider less than meta, and at this point I'm hesitant to follow along because I've seen you change opinions like this on a town player. You're really good at it. I don't think fontisian is a priority lynch because everyone knows by now that she's a really effective witch and hopefully people from WH3 can recognize the signs.

Tbh, #629 makes me nervous, because you didn't just counter one of Riley's points, you hit every one. So like I said before, I'd really rather wait until D2 or 3 when there's more concrete info to work with.

Now I feel like my hands are tied because Poly is off the table and klackerz is gone.

@Bill Door: Why the turnaround on fontisian?

 

In short, I feel like this is Tinyhunt 3 all over again and I loathe this feeling.

 

And fonti, your town arguments aren't that strong overall, remember?

 

Yes they are! They are so fucking obvious, you just have to understand the people!

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If you have a problem with a read, just ask me and I can walk you through it.

 

Atum, I think you are the first person in the history of mafia that has actually said I am good at changing my mind. Also, people don't want to lynch Fonti. It's a leave no stone unturned approach or give up.

Fonti, what did I ignore? Ignoring is not productivr at all. That being said, my dialogue is mostly focused on disspelling or confirming my scumread on you and I make no bones about it.

 

Little did you know I'm biding my hammer for a yolo blitz hammer with Ika.

Atum, if you think Fonts is scum, throw a vote on her. Townies have no reason to hesitate on where they vote on.

@Bill-Why do you want to lynch Fonti now?

 

Read Vira and KaiDASH for me. Look at my reasons for my townreads and ask questions if one of them doesn't make sense.

 

Because I want to see what is on the other side of this door.