Absolutely not. I want standards. I want people to state whether continuously having people pass the bomb to null reads is a bad or good idea. I don't want people to state "oh I'm confortable if I die". That's nothing but useless wifom garbage.

 

Disagree.
/10chars

 

Titus, not answering is a type of answer. I agree with giving it to one of Riley, Atum or Rubicon.

 

All three of those names are town.

 

Rubicon, am I town? Who is not town then?

What is your take on Fontisian, KaiDash, and Citrus?

Apples or oranges?

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Oh I forgot, what about Titus, blab, and ika?

 

ok so since everybody else that could have done it has done a hilariously bad job of explaining the whys, I guess it falls to me to explain why GD claims day 1 (or better yet, pregame).

Preface: The intent of a early GD claim is to limit the damage that a scum GD does while giving a level of protection to a town GD - a sort of deal with the devil.
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1. The Claim
The GD is an amazing roleclaim that will often save a player on the brink of getting lynched. If the GD is scum, then there are 4 players that could claim GD as a get out of jail card. This is a giant significant problem given that town has minimal ways of catching out a 'true' GD claim. So to get around this, we make one player commit to being the GD at the start of the game.

2. Accountability
The more time a scum GD has to accumulate information, the more opportunity the scum team has to tailor that information to fit with their most ideal world. By forcing the GD to claim early and spit out the information as it happens, a scum GD has far less ability to spin convincing long-term lies.

3. The Deal
The GD is town's most reliable way of finding out if they are lynching the correct people. The GD is scum's most reliable way of narrowing down roles. So town generally doesn't lynch a claimed GD until midgame or later, while scum generally doesn't shoot a claimed GD until midgame or later (and are ever hopeful that a town!GD will get mislynched instead), because both sides gain significant advantage from learning the GD information.

1 & 2 are significant town advantages while 3 benefits both town and scum, but generally helps town more.

As mentioned, it is a downside when a town gravedigger has to claim, because it makes holy hunting more accurate. It's worth it though, because of the incredible damage a scum GD can do.

But wait! Can't a scum GD just not claim?

Well, yeah. But not claiming basically scumfirms the GD slot and solves 1 & 2 for us anyway (see: we know you're lying), since you didn't claim when the consensus was for you to do so.

Also apprentice.

 

mood: irritated at titus

titus: if cirtus (or anyone) adress something to me, i fucking answer it, not you.

cirtus: no i am not aware of your role right now nor was i ever. I was rolehunting before but never noted them down. If i feel in a better mood i might go hunt for roles.

 

Why would GD do that? GD is a powerful scumrole that can be used to control information. If the scums have someone who is as good a PR hunter as ika (he's not likely scum, just for example), then a scum GD can effectively setup a weaker player as a CC candidate by claiming a dead guy in the graveyard had his role.

Also, I don't see WHAT scum have to gain by a living town!GD. This supposes that scum would fakeclaim. Why would they?

Why is a GD claim a get out of free claim? Arguendo, why would apprentice be at all?

 

KaiDash, ty for explaining. Based on that does your reading of Fonti change?

 

titus: do you see kard doing the same thing you are scum reading font for?

 

Where'd I Garcia?

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No. Should I be?

 

Assume I know what you are talking about.
Why?

 

I really would rather not get the bomb until I understand exactly what information everyone would be getting that actually benefits town. Especially since the whole ika-Titus byplay has gone over my head. That being said I'd be willing to take it, with the caveat that if I survive with it, we actually do the whole vote for who gets it next thing.

@Citrus:

Scum hunting by scum. They know who scum is, so they know who town is. They want town lynched instead of scum. If they are experienced to any degree they know how to frame quotes from townies as scummy. You were in Werewolf. What Sloth did up until he basically got himself lynched by accident is what I consider scum hunting as scum.

I've given reads on fonti already and I've linked them previously. If you really need a reference ask again and I'll find it. If not, I'd rather wait and see her play D2 or 3 before making a decision, but, to borrow an expression, gun to my head I'd say town and probably be worried until post-game.

KaiDash I have to look at from the lens of Vira, who I thought was mildly scummy. His posts themselves I'd say lean scum as well, but I'm relying mostly on the interpretation of blab there and due to my view on scum play I'm hesitant to do so.

I voted klackerz because A) I think he's scum. and B) There's still plenty of time in the Day.

I'm not sure what questions you were referencing for which you are awaiting answers.

 

I don't understand what you mean with your first paragraph.

Scum are less likely to shoot a claimed town GD because 1. It would be shooting a non-holy; 2. They benefit from the information too, because role info narrows down the world; 3. They hope that town will lynch the GD.

That said, scum will definitely shoot the GD if there is a particular piece of info (like X is scum or Y is town) they want suppressed.

I don't understand what you're getting at by the fakeclaim thing.

GD is a strong claim & people tend to find other lynches after someone claims GD. I'm not really sure on the 'whys' here, just that is my experience after many games.

Apprentice is a countermeasure for "GD doesn't claim"

 

Well since I am town read a lot and I died\die due to being too town to live, there isn't much incentive for scum to keep me alive. The only time I was super ob town and left alive was due to my incompetence so yeah.

 

1) not sure what that measn but when cirtus adressed something to me you answered it or something.

2) thats one of the reasons why im scum reading him

 

I'll redo my first paragraph as a hypothetical.

Suppose Lyrium is scum and that someone on their team is a good PR hunter, Lyrium can wait until her buddies are in trouble, claim the last dead guy had the role of the townie they want to mislynch. Then, that townie naturally CCs. The lurker townie loses the battle. Scum get a free mislynch timed whenever they want.

 

Hmm.

I'm a little worried now.

Ika, I thought those role hint things were you saying you had role-hunted those roles out. Stupid to do as town as you possibly give away what role crumbs are available, but WIFOM + pretty much makes you obv!town (scum with discovered roles like that would save it for night chat and reap huge rewards).

HOWEVER, that + the fact you don't know my role is worrying me. I had a theory you were posting the role hints for specific roles to see if someone would react in some way. Ex: Post role hint of role X, you look for reactions/how it affects people immediately after, got some info on role X / players that posted. Decreasingly effective over time because people start ignoring it, but then it's useful because people might still react when it's their role that's posted.

I'm concerned that was a secret ploy to role fish, which you could do because confusing tactics from you is par for the course (as in here where it makes me + others strongly think you are town).

@Ika Thoughts/response plesae

 

Elaborate on 2 please.

Garciaing is answering a question directed at someone else.

 

What do you mean, I was in Werewolf? Sloth (+ Dermon) were the scum in that game