True, but again how does that counter scum!judge?

Of course, we went through the numbers earlier. If I am wrong on Fonti and Klacerz scum!firms himself we have to lynch straight through.

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This comes down to whether or not we trust Klackerz to lynch Citrus. I feel the risk is too great. It's a judgement call we have to make. If a majority trust him, that's what we go with.

Scum!Klackerz would likely bus but I'm not 100% certain on Fonti being scum. I think he was, but I'm not THAT certain.

 

I wonder how.... oh wait:

You know what would be really cool in this scenario?
If we could just bomb klackerz and fonti was still alive...

 

Are you saying that it's actually cool that we bomb someone you are reading as town? That makes no sense.

Nah, I want probable scum dead. I couldn't have known that Klackerz would make his comments at the time of my bombing.

Do you disagree that if the group trusts Klackerz the right move is to let him judge lynch Citrus and that if the group doesn't that the right move is to just straight up lynch Citrus?

 

If the group=towns=me+other holy then yes. If you and Citrus are included in this group, no.

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^That's maybe a bit too aggressive, but I am disinclined to listen to your warnings of a situation, when you threw the weapons to deal with this situation away.

 

Blab, I'm town. My theory is sound. Town, whoever they are, should vote to lynch Citrus if they don't trust Klackerz and vote to spare Citrus if they do trust him.

You don't care to say that's the optimal position for town to take because you are still biased from Brass Tax and interpret everything I do as scummy. I wish you would have checked me.

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If you think I'm scum, the optimal thing for you to do is the opposite of whatever I'm pushing no?

Yet, you are the only one voting Citrus with me, that suggests you have your own latent doubts about Klackerz no?

 

Lolololol

No, the only thing what I resent is this accusation.

HILARIOUS. The optimal thind to do is not letting you dictate what I do at all.

Yes, obviously that's the motivation of my vote..., do you even remember when I voted?

Unvote

For clarity

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For super awesome clarity, we are going to have an apprentice claim next.
Just the role, not whom you chose.

 

I absolutely remember when you voted blab. At the start of the day. The moment you were aware that your claim was likely correct, you should have reasoned to the very thing I am concluding. If you trust Klackerz, you let him judge. If you don't, you don't let him judge.

I'm obviously not "dictating" anything you do at all, considering you are resistant to the obviously sound logic I am putting up.

You consciously know you are being "too aggressive" because you are attacking what I say when you know it is the best course of action for the town or the scum.

Saying "Lolololol" doesn't disprove the fact that I am absolutely right blab.

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blab, having an apprentice claim is anti-town. If we have the apprentice claim that's one more "safe" kill for the scum faction. Plus, that helps narrow down Fonti's role in the graveyard.

Bad. Bad. Bad.

Quit letting your anger cloud your judgment.

 

I will elaborate on that in a bigger post.
scum!Titus and town!klackers are only tangentially related, but yes.

(Btw, in your stat of the claims posts you made a small mistake. Polysemous does not need to be scum for Atum to fake his check.)

 

This is basically saying "because you blew up someone you thought scum, I'm inclined not to listen to you about this scenario you could not have forseen"

Definitely too aggressive.

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Explain that please. I don't see how that isn't possible.

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**how that is possible.

 

Atum checks Polysemous. Polysemous checks as holy. Atum lies. Most probably because he knows info trick was used and wants to disguise it.

Polysemous is not scum and confirms he is not holy.

^NOTE: This is a scenario showing that scum!inquisitor doesn't to be aligned with his target,. I am not arguing this is what happened. Please don't bring this up when I voice my opinions and claim that I contradict myself.

Titus, I am going to work on my big post.

Apprentice claim is optimal from my point of view. Read the early reads on klackerz to know why.

Now stop doubtcasting me as if I was an overly emotional hateful wreck. That's annoying. (also scummy) Thanks, yours truly

 

I'm not doubtcasting you. I'm explaining why you're wrong. I'm not arguing why you're scum. You seem to be hyper defensive that you must be right, rather than attempting to seek the truth. One dumb,angry and lucky town can be more fatal than scum ever can be. See the very meta game I linked.

I still don't get it. I don't care what combination of reads on Klackerz there are. An apprentice claim is not worth the risk. You can include it in your big post, but the apprentice should keep their damn mouth shut.

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Oh I'm off to play League. I will answer questions if I see them.

 

I'm up for some League, send an inv~

After your big post Blab I have a proposal for you (no homo).

 

Ok, but I'm kinda new. You'll need to PM your username or just add TrenchcoatTitus.

 

Eh, I figured I would break my thoughts up, because long posts are usually skimmed anyway.


Background info:
Let's talk about the Jester:
We know that the Jester didn't pick lynch trick, so let's not waste time looking at that.
The Jester had the choice between the following tricks:

Now let's look at this choice from a town perspective: The townie obviously likes correct results, and making the inquisitor check wrongly just in the case he is scum is not worth it confusing the priest.

So it comes down between picking Witch Trick and "wasting your ability". Obviously witch trick is very useful, but if the town!jester always picks witchtrick, the witches are going to adapt with their N1 kill.
So the town jester optimally sometimes picks No Trick, and hopes the witches selfkill. It should probably level out at 75% witchtrick, 25% no trick. This is btw what fontisian advertised, our most reasonable (and to town!Lyrium only reasonable) town!jester.

Let's look at it from the scum perspective: Well, witchtrick looks good: you can claim you tried to lynch the witches, and you gain an extra life and you can make a play for a townfirm (hi Citrus). No trick and information trick are relatively useless unless the inquisitor is also scum. Since the town!inquisitor can just confirm the correctness of the checks, all you gain is an outed role at best, nothing at worst.

Anyway, the main conclusion from this post is that (after lynchtrick wasn't used) it is reasonable to expect that witchtrick is the trick that has the highest probability to have been used.

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Btw, I have good reasons for an apprentice claim and I have thought about what makes kill choices for scum easier (see my post about DOB/BOD/Fanatic)

The main reason is that the apprentice claim will narrow a lot of scenarios away, and I feel that is more useful than the disadvantage of giving a relatively safe killchoice for scum, (also because scum have some other persons they want to have dead first)
Full reasons after the claim, because I don't want to give scum info if it is worth it to lie.

If you listen to scummy Titus over holy me I will be very sad.

This means that I want to the people who have not claimed to confirm/deny that they are the apprentice:

Bill Door, Riley Poole, Polysemous, LuckyLee.

 

Not apprentice.

 

Not apprentice

 

not apprentice...

blab, you here?

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aslo titus, dont be using emotions in your reason we already had this dicussion that you scuk at it so unless if we know 100% font is scum, you need to pipe down.

your reasons on why she is scum is possible but at same time nobody agreed to to it. we argreed more on cirtus to blow up then others

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also for luck: we can lynch me toDay, it would rather help me

 

I'm here, I'm here, I'm just very busy... ):

 

I'm not the apprentice.

I don't think hammering you today is a good idea Ika. Waiting on blab to finish his points and I'll explain why.

 

answer me this:

this isnt some crazyass gambit where you are really acodite and cirtus is priest?

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is titus scum? y/n