Mods, some questions in QT.

 

i want you to assume that every counterplan you can think of, a scum have not thought of.

the plan you thought of requires dead witches to coordinate and figure that out.

you assume scums immitely know every conievable plan ever devised and avery countermeasure. try thinking that mayeb they dont for once?

if you can crack it, good for yuo. if you cant then oh well.

my point is: if scums havent thought of that now they have

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lyrim plz tell us what the Q&A is after.

im getting tired and sober (which apparently make my mood turn into this, but could be more or less tisus being titus again)

 

Anyone who gives a damn can point out flaws to the town. You're basically asking me, by not pointing out the flaws, to let people hand the game over to the scums. Not going to happen. Scumread me for it.

The biggest asset I provide to the town is that I can predict scum actions with the right amount of knowledge. You're basically cutting my utility down dramatically if I comply. So I won't.

The best plan is for blab to check the fanatic. Go ahead. Tear it apart.

 

Errr, ika scum would have easily figured that out.

@LuckyLee, how about we lynch you when you're the last scum around. mmkay?

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That's only if Blab already knows who scum are. Otherwise we're wasting a valuable scum check.

 

Blab is dead tonight. He won't get to announce his results. So blab checking the fanatic uses his last check to give the fanatic an extra life.

 

1) requires fanfic to be town (could be scum)
2) dunno if rubi already used card (could of been used)
3) font is fanfic (unlikely but lets put it in there for just heck of it)
4) easily just a mass of WIFOM (use card or no?)
5) if fann fic is scum we now need jusdge (what happens if judge dies?)

see what i mean

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we can lynch lucky and give extra to lyrim than

 

Angels can protect Blab/Lyrium. We'll have to roll the dice on that one.

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Err I don't trust LuckyLee and am against that plan.

 

1) True. If the fanatic is scum, it does help scum. However, I think I know who the fanatic is and I have a semi-solid townread on them.
2) Shouldn't you know if a card has been used? Not sure how the card would be relevant here.
3) That means the apprentice willingly denied being the apprentice. Why? Makes no sense.
4) Don't understand this.
5) If Fanatic is scum, then we do have a problem. However, I have a pretty solid townread on the fanatic.

 

know what jsut fuck this im going to fuckign sleep

 

The Case On Titus
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chapter 1: "judge a Titus not by her words, but by her actions."
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Action Nr. 1: "The claim of the bomb."

Titus claimed to possess the bomb in pregame. She claimed that this was not a mistake, it was a gambit.

I scumread her for this. The gambit makes little sense from a town!bomber perspective. She wanted to disguise that she is the bomber, but the gambit has the way more obvious risk of getting read as a bomber.

From a scum!perspective this is obvious. Scum probably just decided she got the bomb, and she went into the game and told. It made her look decisive and engaging and open. There is also less risk, everyone is going to know that Titus has the bomb and less concern about getting roleread.
Also you get an convenient excuse to bomb early (you're afraid of not getting to bomb at all)



Action Nr 2.+3.
2.Pushing for the fontisian lynch
3.Pushing for the KaiDASH lynch

To illustrate my point I am going to make up a subjective ranking here about the likelihood to get town-leadership. It's mostly (witchhunt/mafia)-experience, with a bit of talkativeness and eloquence.
The exact order is not important, flip a pair of close numbers if you don't agree.

1.fontisian
2.KaiDASH
3.Titus
4.Citrus
5.Rubicon
6.Bill Door
7.the rest of us

Let's assume that Lyrium is giving correct alignments, then:

1.fontisian (dead) (unknown)
2.KaiDASH (dead) (town)
3.Titus
4.Citrus
5.Rubicon
6.Bill Door

My, my, how very convenient for a Titus/Citrus/Rubicon/xyz team if fontisian and KaiDASH died. All the very experienced players left are witches. Let's just townfirm Citrus real quick cause he is under pressure and rock this game....

I think it is undisputed that Titus did her best to make sure that fontisian and KaiDASH died, first by tunneling on fontisian, then by tunneling on KaiDASH. Oh and bombing fontisian, of course (after only asking Lyrium, after everyone else was too exhausted to argue anymore)

"Hey, blab, if this really were true, Titus wouldn't have tried to get KaiDASH deadified until it became obvious that he knew a lot about the setup and wouldn't have tried to get Vira killed at all."
"you're right, anotherblab. And guess what? That is exactly what happened!"
"Uh, wow!"


Action Nr. 4. "The n1 bombing"

Titus bombed fontisian. The scum motivation for bombing early is obvious.

To illustrate, let's imagine this (I admit) outrageously unlikely scenario:
The priest has a guilty D2.
We lynch the guilty D2, and if he survives, we force the bomber to kill him again. That's very bad for the bomber, he must use his kill to avoid being scumread.
Better if the bomber actually uses the bomb early, so he guarantee his own role actually benefits the team.

Let's dig through the thread and find if we can support this.
"Hi Lyrium, mind if I save us the trouble and just bomb fontisian N1?"
translation:
"Hello best available scapegoat, I need justification to just do what I want with the bomb, because the plan with actually waiting for the alignments to flip sounds very dangerous to me."


Action 5:
reluctance to judge lynch Citrus


Chapter End

I hope you tune in to the next 2 chapters: ("actually do judge a Titus by her words" and "you know what, just judge Titus") which will air at "whenever I have the time to write them"-o'clock.

Extra reading: Titus+Citrus post n2, pre holy claim

 

N1 -

Shit.. Titus's gambit to claim she has the bomb to cover up the logical conclusion scum would reach when day broke and she had the bomb looks kinda townie. Yet, I know she's scum, so she planned it all from the start... for what purpose... to limit her options as scum!bomber...

Leader Subjectiveness

Flaw 1: Blab would never be leader. *cough* bullshit.
Flaw 2: Assuming Lyrium was the only player with imput on the bomb. Everyone had the chance to object. I'm just the easy scrapegoat because I pulled the trigger.
Flaw 3: scum!bomber bombing his buddy in that scenario is actually pretty fucking brilliant

Reluctance to Judge Lynch Citrus

Apparently it's scummy that I have a scumread on the judge.

Blab, you might want to comment on the plan Luckylee proposed. I'm against it. So I suppose that means you're for it right?

 

Dammit blab. And just when I was starting to come around to TownTitus!

 

TLDR last two post. Blab is using his conclusion, Titus is scum, to fuel his entire post. Everything in the post starts with the assumption Titus is scum and ends with Titus is scum.

Later y'all. Time to sleep.

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Ninjas.
/tenchar

 

Blab, do you believe in the Luckylee that believes in the Blab that believes in the Luckylee? Tbh if you get another check I figure you can solve the game/finish it, so yeah.

 

This is a horribble idea. Although I did realize that Angels would protect ika if scums used Shenanigans. So scums cannot use shenanigans to stop blab's check. Still this sucks royally.

 

Crap fell asleep.

I'm not sure how much time I'll have to commit tomorrow during the day (friend's graduation), so

/request 12hr Extension

I'd be alright with 48hr if anyone preferred that though it's a bit overkill

 

We have 2 fucking days. Hell no.

 

No claim
Citrus obviously, then two of klackerz, lucky, titus, polysemous. I have strong reasons to think everyone else is town.
My best guess is citrus, klackerz, lucky. I have it in my head that titus and klackerz can't be scum together for some reason. I'm gonna go back over poly's posts to look at his interactions with the other people on that list.

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It should be noted that this requires the scum to kill at least one of the BOD/DOB. If BOD is the one who dies he just gives his life to the most obvious townie that isn't snowvon and we win. If DOB is the one who dies, depending on when it happens he either shoots whatever of klackerz and citrus are still alive or he has to work out which of the 5 people alive on the last day is the last scum and shoot accurately to win. I'm sort of tempted to say that having klackerz judge kill citrus is the best way to go. It makes it quite hard to lose.

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I want to hear everyone's thoughts on the above btw.

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Hey, I repeatedly said I wanted the bomb to go to luckylee.

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Can you explain why klackerz, ika, atum aren't included in the questionables?

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Urgh, this makes lucky a lot more likely to be town.

 

Yeah, fail to see how checking the Fanatic is a good idea, at all. If by some shenanigans, and by shenanigans I mean Titus being wrong and the Fanatic being scum, it'll be really irritating to deal with them having an extra life. Better to go the safe route and check someone else.

 

after lucky's claim I'd amend the most likely scum team to citrus klackerz poly, or citrus titus poly.