I agree that judge lynching is probably optimal. It is only dangerous if scum have even more extra-lifes/kills (Fanatic/Gambler/Survivalist): I don't see any particular likely scenarios (gambler requires scum!Lyrium)(Snowvon/Citrus cc situation)(Titus).

I actually think that it is better for scum!klackerz to judge Citrus in most of the cases.

I am definitely favoring judgelynch, even if I have the bad feeling and just don't like the (very small) chance of handling scum a large advantage...

 

I'm also not a big fan of checking fanatic.

 

This is so very very funny.

 

fanatic is the best chance scum have of getting extra lives now.

 

I know.
Do you think anyone is more/less likely to be scum with fanatic taking into the account the position on Fanatic?

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*position on fanatic getting extra life?

 

There's some stuff I want to look back at before I can answer that.

 

I don't find it funny that your butthurtness is going to cost us the game. You've sown doubt into most everyone's mind. The thing is, if you were not the priest, you'd be lynched for your anti-town behavior. You have cutoff all scumhunting entirely.

If Klackerz is scum and refuses to bus, you have just handed scum the game.

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Says the butthurt priest. You are letting him guide you the wrong way.

 

Lucky, I didn't actually know which one of (killing town!BOD for extra life/not doing it) is optimal, so I thought about it. and by thought about it I mean "googled to see if somebody had done the numbers. Didn't find anything

I do think that it is not optimal, though, that it is better to just lynch scum.

So I do not do you believe in the Luckylee that believes in the Blab that believes in the Luckylee, but I believe in the LuckyLee. I am flattered you consider suicide for me though.

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The Case On Titus

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Interlude: "compare and contrast"

How Titus frames the argument:
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What I actually said:

halassed first part of chapter 2: "actually do judge a Titus by her words"

Words Nr. 1: The doubt is strong

Let's say you are a townie and a fellow confirmed townie has a very strong scumread on you. What do you do? Well, ideally you tell him that he is wrong explain yourself, and then help him to try to figure the rest of the game out.
If he is particularly obstinate just go try to solve the game yourself based on the information that the confirmed townie revealed and the additional information that you are town, and share your results.
Since nobody is perfect you it's understandable if you get frustrated with the conf!town.

Let's say you are scum and a confirmed townie has a very strong scumread on you. What do you do? Well, if you can copy what you would do as a townie, that would be great.
Your main goal is to not get lynched, though, and you might be able to achieve that if you convince the others that the scumread on you is full of hot air. Especially if you are not getting lynched in that day (and if you don't get lynched in the next day either) you have a lot of time to talk down that scumread by discrediting, ridiculing, doubtcasting, etc.

So what did Titus do? Let's check posts starting from #2000:

 

blab who do you have as the last scum in the rubicon/citrus/titus world?

 

Blab's part 2

Oh no Titus called me out for my shit reasoning and being butthurt. I will pretend all her attempts to crack the game are worthless and do not exist.

Who has been running numbers testing scenarios? Who has tried to prevent massclaim?

 

I'm trying to figure out if it's you actually.<_< ... >_>
Eliminating Titus by interaction would be pretty sweet (even though that would mean I'm wrong). There are not many options that are immediately obvious.
Snowvon bussing and saving a claim is possible.
Atum is possibe, though then scum didn't go for the obvious jester+inquisitor play even though it was obvious.
LuckyLee is might fit, but I don't really think he is scum.
Surprise ika+Titus scum is also very unlikely.
klackerz doesn't really fit.
Lyrium scum suggest a town!Rubicon world.

So yeah...I don't know

 

Do this. Suppose you are wrong about me and that I am a town trying to flash neon warning signs at how bad you are fucking up. Who is scum?

 

I never said you weren't. I don't think your attempts to solve the game are worthless. I think you do that as scum, too, though. I do think you are doubtcasting me. I do think that is scummy.

 

I am suggesting you are wrong. I am casting no doubt as to your alignment. The difference us about 10,000 miles.

Blab, would you like to see more scum meta of mine?

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Also in part 2 you imply that I make no effort to solve the game...bc you'd be doing that as town.

 

I had a look with poly's interactions with rubicon, citrus and the other people I think can be scum, titus, lucky, klackerz. I'm too lazy to do a big wall of quotes and no one reads them anyway so I'll just do a summary/conclusions but I can give you post numbers and stuff if you want them.

All 5 of the people I looked at listed Poly as a scum read of varying strength at one point or another. Titus and Lucky were the most eager for a poly lynch but everyone backed off with fonti's insistence that we weren't lynching a newbie D1.


Poly voted for Rubicon when the rubicon lynch train had the most momentum, he was the 4th vote on him which I think. This was done with very little reasoning after previously listing rubicon as a town read.


Poly has no real interactions with Citrus before blab's thingy at the start of D2, he mentions him once which was basically talking about how his lack of posts was annoying. Worth noting that Citrus discusses lynching Poly after it was made clear that poly wasn't getting lynched D1.



Titus voted for Poly early D1 which caused Poly to omgus Titus in response. Poly's read on Titus has since flickered between town and scum with very few reasons ever given.


Lucky pushed for a poly lynch early, poly didn't have any major interactions in the opposite direction.


klackerz lists poly as a scum read, poly doesn't say anything much in the other direction.







Conclusion: Nothing clear cut. I can see a possiblility that he's in a scum team with rubicon and Titus and was taught about bussing in the pregame. Iirc Rubicon is a big fan of bussing and could have encouraged poly to do so. His vote against rubicon definitely felt off as is his bipolar reads on Titus. None of his interactions suggest anything strongly for or against a team with lucky or klackerz. Maybe a bit less likely to be in a team with lucky.

 

You doubt-cast my motivation as to why I am scum-reading you. You misrepresent my arguments..that's what I mean.

I don't want scummeta from you, if anything, I would want town meta. I would probably not read it though, do have to read too much about this game already. So thanks for the offer.


Titus, let's suppose we judge-lynch Citrus and klackerz does as he is told.
You wake up tomorrow and I am dead. Who do you think is scum?
Do you have unaligned pairs?

 

Where does Poly fit?

 

.......you confuse me, Bill.

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oh derp, i was thinking about the fanatic stuff didn't see the response was to the Titus stuff

 

Klackerz-Snowvon would be my scumteam.

It's a beautiful plan no one would expect from newbies. Blab will death tunnel Titus and judge lynch Citrus, because he jyst tipped his hand to who he is checking. Citrus claims the role of Snowvon essentially townfirming him in the eyes of most.

Unaligned pairs, ika and Lyrium and that's about it as to certain unaligned pairs.

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Oh and I did no misrepping. Everything I said is true. You are butthurt from Brass Tax. If you had won that game, you would be townreading me.

 

Have you considered my idea at all Blab? I think lynching myself is worth getting another priest check.