whie i understand that and see what you mean. lets make it sensable for everyone:

you are ok with DOB killing you. Yes or No, no need to elaborate on why

just answering it like that will clarify for evryone to understand.

im home and mostly dober but in a state of focus so thers that

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oh btw ninja

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wow my gamer is more fucked up when im sober when i look back lol

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titus, lets do hypotheticals i need something since im in this mindset:

facts: poly is town, you are town, i am town

who do you suspect next? assume 1 and 2 witches reamin

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-host/mod hat on for bolded

Have you read my sig? "We cant change supid or random decisions."While i understand your rant for it and ideals behind it. Look at bills comment he rolled scum in his first 2 games. Imagin us as a host, if every players says "i hate playing as scum" (TBH, a lot of players seem to) does that mean we have to selectivly chose who can be scum? Many host live by the rule of "random distubution of roles" (i know some do play "prefer/favortim" but thats something else i can go into if you like) but it allows equal opertunity overall for players. Scum is techancly harder yes (b/c you technacly cant solve the game/its solved for you) its a fact of life. You can feel apatheic for newb scum, but it comes down to the basic premisise of if your town, you lynch scum. If your scum, you kill off town. I may be an emotional type player but i mostly still follow the same basic mechanics of "kill/lynch scums" as town (yes there are times where i do get in outrage and teach town a lesson

-mod/host hat off

-player mode in underlined (with a hint of advice)

-mafia theiory talk mode

Furthering on the outed townies, we are town, however we are never confirmed towns, the best we can be is persaudo confirmed. The only true confirmed towns are the holys due to the fact they can only be town aligned (consider them Innocent childs who are mod-confirmed towns). If you look at it, blab was optimal only b/c he has power to find scums and confirm more towns. Killing one of us before blab is unoptimal b/c it can lead to outing roles of being town. This could also take into consideration the possiblities of why only one kill. If we see double kill this essensaly says 2 things:

1) one witch remains
2) blab is confimred town by mechanics (witch can only double kill with single life)

i find it that you are always more of support character/player vs me and titus who are the town leaders. you have to look at players for their styles and figure where do you fit?

Just b/c someone is town!firmed by mod, mechanics, ect. doent mean they are right or wrong. It just means their thoughs is coming from town perspective. overall i take town!firmed thoughts for slightly more then others only b/c i know its town.

-end mafia theroy mode

I hope that helps lyrim

 

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Only I may hammer, Ika. We talked about this.

 

Why?


@ika, Yes. If I have to die, then I have to die. That's not really an alignment indicative question with me though and I kinda figured you'd know that.

One Scum

Arguendo, assuming only one scum lived, I would pick Snowvon as my scumchoice. Scum only killed one target. I can't see why scum wouldn't shoot two of us if there were two right now. I mean it could be a frame job, but meh. If Snowvon is scum, it will take two lynches to lynch him.

We'll lose three people possibly. Four if Von kills Bill who kills town, before we can even lynch scum!Von, as any scumVon team kills Klackerz tonight.

We'd open with 9 tomorrow (dead Poly + dead Klackers), 7 the day after that (two more dead townies, probably those speculating VonScum) or 6 if BD dead and a townie dead.

Lynch Von.

If the game doesn't end at that point, we have one shot to find who the last scum is.

Now why is Von scum? He has not contributed any meaningful analysis since day 1. A setup by scumCitrus to claim his buddies role effectively buys scum a lot more time before being caught. A klacerz kill rather than Blab means ScumVon is claiming, as Von would be the one person Blab would likely NOT check due to CCing known scum FHPOV.

A survivalist should be playing to catch scum. There is no effort. No attempt to draw an NK. Rather, it seems to be an attempt to draw out lynches.

Two Scum

If you me and Poly are all town, I think it's time to revist some things here.

Riley obviously cannot be scum.
Luckylee is unlikely to be scum due to his offer of being the lynch.
Atum is unlikely to be scum due to his check on Poly.

That's 6 town leaving scum in

Bill Door/Klackerz/Von/Lyrium

If I was right on Fonti, Lyrium must be scum if there are two scum left.

Klackerz + Von is out because of the fact Klackerz didn't autolynch town. If Klackerz does, scum likely autowin at that point bc of 5 lynches needing to occur. That's supposing the town would even see Vonscum

Klackerz + BD, I don't really see this given the number of times BD has said he's willing to shoot Klackers.

Klackerz + Lyrium, has potential but it would also call into question who was scum day 1.

Bill Door + Lyrium would be interesting. If Bill ever gets lynched during the day, then Lyrium can lie about his alignment and call him town and whoever he hit scum without regards to the truth.

Bill Door + Von also functions as a huge boost. There would be no zonk kill but for Luckylee for their team.

Von + Lyrium, Lyrium uses her conftown status to make sure Von doesn't come up despite his lurker status.

My favorite combination is Von + Lyrium, if we still think Fonti is scum (I do). If we think Fonti is town, then I would go for Bill Door and Von. Both teams following Citrus's lead to do the CC setup.

 

lol lucky.....

we could DOB him to you who then gives me a life, scums could then kill lyrim and then we jugdge lynch snow and then have witch kill lyrim and leave me standing with witch out of hilarity

but on a more serious note:

do you have any advice for lyrim though on that?

you too titus anything you would like to give?

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lyrim read over titus theiores and how they are unlikely, does that help you at all?

if not i can try to do it from your POV to help you at ease overall

titus: thanks ive been needing something to look over if game magicly doesnt end

 

This post is vague and requires clarification.

 

also titus, if we have judge alive we can always have him penatrate the immunity if we doubt it that much

 

Do you really think Klackerz is going to live if town? ScumVon would certainly kill Klackerz and any other combination would logically kill Klackerz to force town into a paranoia spot where a decision must be made.

This is why I'm pushing a discussion on Snowvon today before tomorrow where we hit that spot.

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Tomorrow, we wake up with 8. Suppose Von with another scum...

Lynch Von --- 7/6 alive (second number supposes Bill Door is town and hits town)
Lynch Von --- 6/5 alive

5 alive, mislynch

3 alive, lylo.

If we ignore Von, then there's a much bigger pool to hunt his buddy in and much greater risk of using our mislynch at the start if Snowvon is actually scum.

 

the top half is me and lucky trolling around

the second half was kinda answered by your hypoteticals to an extent

Lyrim is exausing herself with so many thories and random ideas (this under the hypotetical shes town), 1 or 2 scum existing that shes beinging to doubt herself and everyone.

In otherwords: shes overanalizing and overthinking the game to where shes doubting the most basic idea.

Its like we could have a theiory that me and you are the final scums (however i know its not true and i doubt you are scum atm). But really what are the odds of that?

Another one would be that its me and lucky who are scums, really what are the odds of it?

is it techancly possible by anyone else POV? yes, however i know thats false due to the fact im town.

TLDR;

lyrim is starting to doubt herself and specualte on some wild goose chase.

Has that ever happened to you titus? and if so how do you deal with it?

How about everyone answers this as well? i feel like we are in a passive mode right now where we are at ease

personally i just apply occam razor most of the time or just shut down and go with what i have as facts.

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1) possible, i mean we do have the cards to use, we could at least force card play or play a game of chance
1a) look at above, basic says that, but if we take into account cards that can be used. it could play to our advantage and force them to play their hand
2) when does bill die in this btw? wouldnt he be alive still at this point?
3) fair enough

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btw titus if you are somehow scum in this im going to never forgive you.

I would figure you as scum would never out ever flaw to a plan and be more agreeing to suboptimal town-plays

this is more or less directed for bill to say why titus is town to me atm. She as scum would be more cunning and lets us fall into bad plans

 

I am being utterly serious. If I don't hammer, nobody hammers.

 

I actually don't think Occam's Razor is appropriate to apply when doubting yourself. If someone doubts themselves, run it down. Suppose it the way you're worried about. What happens?

The other alternative is to eliminate the impossible. What ever is left, however improbable must be true. If you can't get to the truth that way, start looking at the most dangerous scenario and make the assumptions most founded in evidence.

Doubt, to me, is an indication of a missing fact or a wrong conclusion.

 

In five alive, Bill Door is dead on the first two nights.
In six alive, Bill Door is still alive and didn't kill scum.

 

also day 2 v/ca is shit so im ignoring that

 

oh coming back to this little thing before i forget:

What i noticed (besides lack of scum!votes on kai that bill pointed out) is this:

look how easy it would be to manipulate this vote count. Basicly we could color anyones name any color and call them scum or town. I'm not going to generate them but take it and color it whatever colors you like. Its an easy manipulation to make anyone on kais train look like a scumspect as well.

Also another note, remmeber how font was calling kai scum? look where her vote is atm. its not on kai, its parked on rubi

im going to do a V/C alalsis to the best i can with what is CONFIRMED. That measn i will be coloring names in on whos town and whos scum and see if we can find anything. Howevr i dont expect it to be too useful b/c it can easily be manipulated to look odd for any voter atm

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also day 2 v/ca is shit so im ignoring that

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ok so site is also being shit atm so it might be delayed

 

I will shut up then. I've got other games and I have to go pack. I'll come back tomorrow to see your analysis ika.

 

ty for pep talk ika love. and titus

I was slightly stressing, I mean nr because of win\lose (I kind of measure more on how fun or not fun the thing is even though Fonti didn't like that explanation) but more bc it felt like other people were super stressed.

I mean the moment I realized I could make a scum case against myself, I kind of stopped looking at the data and went back to chillin'

It's a little hard to fluff on your own but here is a gif:

 

done, anyone want to give imput on what they think, i shot my brain putting that shit together and not in the mood to think now

 

Riley Poole has been prodded.

 

Being able to make a scum case against yourself is pretty vital for expert town IMO. You can see that scum would likely push the same line and you can have a counter response ready.

 

1) not a problem

2) im usally stressed in fms for the most part (at times at least), thats why im retiring for a bit (or at least taking a break to host and observe/cohost)

3) technacly anyone can make a case out of anyone, i would love to see a self case though

vote no lynch only b/c lucky can hammer and hes back so he deserves it

 

ika, I should just let you have my setups and you host them. I hate vote counts too much to host properly.