I want to see an actual case on Snowvon for the people who jumped on it immediately, especially considering how much experience y'all have. That's Bill Door, Riley, and Titus. If you've already given one, update it.

Snowvon is obviously the one that benefits from the death of the judge, I don't see him trying to claim he was framed like this. Plus if he dies and flips town we've lost a really good candidate for survival to endgame.

 

Atum: You defending him is just making my paranoia going up.

 

There's no need to be sad, klackerz.

To be honest at this point whoever the remaining witches are will be in my "Never trust this person in any situation\context ever" list so that's a pleasant plus. Kind of like Rubicon.

I mean I'm pretty sure the only reason I'm alive is because once again I am following scum which just do mercy kill you fucking witches.

The people who identified Rubicon and Citrus as scum and were correct about their reads are dead. So either follow their reads, that may have changed or try to fill in the blanks.

 

Titus - Helping scum since forever

 

I can't tell if you're trolling or if you literally just haven't been reading my posts.

The case on Snowvon is that scum tried to kill klackerz. Possible reasons to kill klackerz are: because he is judge, because of his play, because they picked a name out of a hat. There is no way they killed him because of his play, he would have been lynched eventually, scum did not need to kill him. I can't discount that they picked a name out of a hat but, you know, that's not really likely. So they wanted to kill him because he was the judge. The only reason to kill the judge is if you have an extra life and don't want to be lynched, or you want the town to think that. People with an extra life = Snowvon.

QED snowvon is most likely to be scum. Next most likely are people who want us to think that snowvon is scum such as Titus who raised the possibility yesterDay.

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Actually made me lol.

 

I know a lot of people are eagerly jumping to "well duh of course scum!Snowvon would want to off the Judge!" but please also keep the bolded in mind. No one else has an extra life, no one else benefits from a Judge death, so of course all eyes are going to be on me when this happens.

Also, if I were scum, Judging me wouldn't end the game. There are still two Witches left. This is assuming Lyrium isn't playing us like cheap band instruments.

Also also, remember that being in the coven is a team effort. It's not all about me. Anyone going after the Judge at all draws attention to me, and if I were a Witch I think I'd like to not be in the spotlight.

Riley is claimed holy and I'm not going to fight him on that. Titus is just generally suspicious, and Bill Door is immediately presuming I must be scum because extra life.

That's right, Bill. I made an attempt on the Judge, the only real threat to me, and definitely assumed I'd be able to skip off to endgame without anyone batting an eye. I took the very obvious hey-look-at-me-I'm-totally-a-Witch route.

As fucking if. Angel protection is irrelevant because a n y attempt on the Judge is going to point to me.

 

Lynching Lucky to give klackerz and extra life is an utterly terrible plan. The judge's utility as a role stops once no one has an extra life. Why lynch Lucky to let klackerz live an extra day when you could judge lynch snowvon and suddenly klackerz isn't under threat anymore.

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Judging you could end the game in a rubicon/citrus/fonti/you scum team.

I am considering that it could have been done to frame you. The problem is I'm really struggling to think of who would do that. Maybe Titus would which is why I'd support lynching her next. I really can't think of who else would benefit from drawing attention to you now. If this hadn't happened and someone like lyrium or riley had been nk'd as I expected then I'd have pushed for klackerz and titus to be lynched next. So those are the people who I think would want to divert attention away onto you. Obviously it can't have been klackerz. So I think we lynch you then titus then reevaluate if the game isnt over.

 

I'm not saying that I scum read klackerz anymore, but I do want to know why you think Klackerz is cleared by this when you assumed Citrus was scum after he survived as the NK target D2. Especially since you're now targeting his cc, they two players most likely to have 2 lives D2.

 

I have a conf town block of Me, Riley, klackerz. Then add lyrium, lucky, atum and ika to that based on behaviour only leaves 2 people. Get rid of those two people and game should be over. If not we have to completely reevaluate the group of lyrium, lucky, atum and ika.

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Because there is no way that klackerz can confidently self target himself and expect to survive. The only way he could have survived the night kill was angel protection, a witch will never expect to get that. Citrus survived because of the jester trick, with a witch jester that survival can be predicted so scum can confidently self shoot.

The only way klackerz is scum is if he is suicidal for some reason.

 

But I thought we were working from the assumption that there are two Witches left? Since there haven't been any double kills. If there is only one Witch, then they're single killing either to 1) hide the fact that they're alone, or 2) paint me as scum, since a single Witch with two lives can only kill once per Night.

Bill, are you conf!town in general, or only to yourself? The same way I'm conf!town to myself? The only actual conf!towns are klackerz and Riley.

Also I had to go back to check WH3, but the Angels know who the scum are. So unless that changed in this game, klackerz is no-doubt-about-it town.

 

Snowvon, quit lying. A witch with two lives gets one kill only.

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There id no confirm one scum but if one scum Lyrium anf I are both town.

 

Conf!town to myself.

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Also there are somewhere between 1 and 3 witches left. If there are only 1 it's probably you, if there are 3 it means scum lyrium. 2 is most likely.

 

Titus, that's exactly what I said.

How many scum do you think there are? Are you still clinging onto scum!fonti? Let's talk about this instead of going "hurr durr Judge lynch" and not posting anything.

@Bill

Conf!towning yourself doesn't count for obvious reasons.

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If two is most likely, why are you so focused on alone!me? Go hunt the team.

 

Actual Von case later, short version

Citrus + Rubicon designed a cc to make Snowvon look town. Snowvon hasn't scumhunted since then. I pushed to resolve him yesterday to avoid where we are.

@Whoever, someone said scum were known to the angels, if that's the case, thenI would imagine Von being last scum and his buddies not knowing who he'd shoot. Would Von take the heat? Or would he kill conftown?

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I do believe Fonti was scum. I just cannoy see Fonti v Ksi being T v T.

Oh I still expect scumhunting even with you being lynched. I never said otherwise.

 

Actually, i dont even know if 2 is most likely anymore. It was yesterday, but without poly and klackerz there aren't really enough people who can be scum without me being very wrong. You and Titus don't really work as a team with the way she drew attention onto you. Titus can't be solo scum because the 1 scum world requires fonti to be scum. huh, it's actually really hard for titus to be scum. We have to lynch you, i think. We can't afford to leave you alive and risk klackerz getting nk'd. And if the game doesn't end we have to completely re evaluate things.

 

What if Lyrium is scum? I probably shouldn't think this but it would explain if the game doesn't end with Snowvon. It would also explain her reluctance to lynch him.

 

Yeah, that's what i mean by re evaluate shit. I have to consider scum lyrium worlds which completely screws up most of my reads which are based on her info.

 

I haven't scumhunted because ika/blab/whoever else had so many "hey let me solve the game" posts I just sort of let them. They are much more competent than I.

I said that. A few minutes ago. I feel like you're not reading my posts.

You think Citrus and Rubicon came up with this whole elaborate town!Snowvon gambit and left me without a priority kill list or something? And I'm kind of offended you think I'd immediately go for the Judge when, say it with me, any attempt on the Judge is going to rain shit on my head the following Day.

@Bill

I am the only townsperson with two lives. If you want to get rid of that because paranoia, I will sneak into your room tonight and fill your pillow with hornets.

Then you're wrong. We need to that.

Titus can't be scum with me because she's drawing attention to me. You mean...bussing??? The same thing I was accused of doing to Citrus???

You say Titus can't be solo scum because that would require fonti to be scum. The same also applies to me, or anyone, really. Any solo scum requires fonti to be scum.

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*We need to fix that.

Whee.

 

Why don't we think it out now?

We know Citrus was scum, independently of Lyrium but can we trust Rubicon was? Would scumLyrium lie?

If Lyrium lied, I would suppose that Kai was scum, Rubi was town and as such, I probably bombed town.

That leaves us with two dead scum.

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Snowvon, it's one thing to bus. It's another to explode one of your most useful hudfies, which is an absurd theory. Flail more please.

 

I have no idea what "hudfies" is.