I am out for awhile. I will put a brief defense summary here

1) Klackerz should not have survived the nk in a Titus scum world.
2) Everyone is scumreading me one mislynch away from lylo.
3) I took unpopular opinions, knowing the risk to my owngame.
4) Every play I have done has been in the town's best interest based on information I had at the time.

 

...how exactly is it one mislynch from lylo?

7 alive
lynch you
6 alive
nk
5 alive
lynch someone, preferably ika
4 alive - game only ends if 2 scum are alive

We're only one mislynch from lylo if 2 scum are alive. How do you know that 2 scum are alive, have you not been saying that there is only 1 scum alive since you think fonti had to be scum?

 

Bill the lack of two nks and everyone having one life confirms two scum.

That is precisely why I postedthat I had to be wrong about Fonti or Lyrium is scum.

 

Oh yeah, shit forgot about the double nk.

 

So now that we can assume two scum alive, who is my hypothetical partner...

Oops everyone is scumreading me. And one mislynch before lylo...see the problem now?

See why I said trap probably.

 

back from taking a nap give me a moment to catch up

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first off

 

ok ika, here's one question: If there is one scum who skipped an NK on purpose, which person would it be, and how would it make them look town?

 

1) You were lurking plusvla. Your response almist everytime if not everytime I doubt you is 1 v 1 right now but fir vacay.

2) Dhenanigsns had no relevsnce w Bkab dead.

3) Snowvon is scum bc designed ccis an unpopular opinion I took. You are right as to bomb consensus.

4) You have passive power. I had tomake ajudgement call.

5) You are rational, you just pretend not to be at points bc you are driven by gut a lot.

6) You having spirt powers is unverifable pasdive results as the dead cannot talk back.You can lue with impunity. Announcing the cards serves as a great boon to the scumteam but does little for town in a town Lyrium world.

 

Bill Door - unlikely being solo scum based off role,
with 2 alive i could see it and have 2nd buss him out to take out you or someone

9. Titus - with 2 very very unlikely, titus is not a bussing player. i could see it 2 for them to run frame attempt, but unlikely,
by herself she doesnt like to run risk unless there is none, (she claimed bomb pre-game so it was almost no risk)

10. Atum - i ve never seen scum!atum so for me it would be a shot in the dark if he would do it. he has enough town cred to get away and have us suspect each other, but would consider it suboptimal

13. Lyrium - her i could higly see only based of role, again, she has high town and could get away with claims

14. Luckylee - hes carzy and unpredicatable. i could see him out of hilarity maybe?

15. ika- i may be gamity player but the one thing i love more then gambits is killing roles, if you look at our avatar game i went and fucked a confirmed scum out of me growing impaitent. if alone i would be trying to fuck stuff up fast as possible. i would prob do a DOB/you or judge.

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1) wut for half of those, but im not lurking atm, you can see when i come back i clearly state my reason for being gone.

2) shnanagins activats if scums fail kill, cursed target would of died.

3) so you are saying lyrim is lying right now? where did that fallacy come from? if snow was scum and lyrim lies, she would be final scum, she would have no reason to lie

4) judgement on what? the bomb? who gonna die to it? no thats a fucking stupidass reason you could of passed it to me when you town read me you could of hit cirtus when i call you out on it.

5) yes i run on gut i runone instincets, but when i do i can be right or wrong. even the best logical player can be wrong or maniputive, i suck doing that as scum i just go with what i read and think

6) did you read setup on how i benifit town? basicly i can see how many witches are dead when they do abilities. you can, you are detramental to town just as useful you can be. what if you blew up on blab by acident? what if you hit bil? then we are down a holy

yes titus i will fucking v1 you today, if your town you will figure you cant read me for shit. if your scum it will prove that the fact the moment you make a 180 from reading me town to scum its basicly a scum claim

vote titus

 

1) You have consciously moved in a manner that says it's not ok to doubt you. That's scummy.

2) Nope. Shenangians messes with priest check. Backup plan happens if no kill works.

3) No. I am saying Lyriym lied or Fonti was town. If Snowvon was scum, Lyrium had to lie and thus was scum. Citrus us confirmed scum. Tat would mean Kai town, Rubi town, Fonti Lyrium scum.

4) Passing the bomb to a townread is a waste.

5) I suck as scum therefore I am not scum. Bullshit arg. Stick to facts.

6) I didn't 180 you. I have doubted you all game. I just felt there were more pressing and risky concerns. You seem to think Lyrium is town, and she provides the same info you do. Oh and uf scums don't use a card...your infirmation isn't even accurate.

 

@Bill Door: Can you explain your strong townread on Luckylee? And on me?

@Titus: Here and now if you're not scum, who is? You keep making statements where if a hypothetical is true x must be scum, and pointing out ways you can't be, but you're definitely smart enough to have planned in advance to clear yourself. So if there're two scum, elaborate on your earlier post to Snowvon and point them out.

 

@Atum, well ika is almost certainly one given his play today. Lyrium depends solely on if I feel I was right on Font. I have two strong beliefs (Lyrium town and Fonti scum w a two scum likely game). I will put her as null. Chad can't be scum. So that leaves Luckylee, Bill Door and you. I am townreading Bill Door pretty hard. So that leaves Lucky and you.

Given the refusal to shoot Chad, that suggests a largely universally townread scum who is capable of manipulating Chad but would not want a judge to be able to lynch their buddy if shit hit yhe fan.

Of course that is wifom.

Ika--probscum

Atum sand Lucky tied. Lucky is townier but more dangerous and strategically more likely. Don't get the townreads on Atum.

Lyrium

Bill Door (ika wouldn't suggest bus on BD in the manner he did if buddies but that is wifom)

 

As the fing Gravedigger, having dug graves for all the fun people whether witch or town we are now left with blankety blank.

Riley's defection makes me sad. Riley why are you always so mean? What did we ever do to you? Is your new town nicer, with a clean water supply and other amenities? Like a laser targeting robot that kills witches on sight?

So here's what I know to be true:

1. fontisian - (Apprentice, Unknown)
2. blab - (Priest, Town)
3. klackerz (Judge, Town)
4. Snowvon (Survivor, Town)
5. KaiDASH\Vira (Loose Canon, Town)
6. Citrus (Jester, Witch)
7. Rubicon (Gambler, Witch)
8. Bill Door (Dirty Old Bastard, Unknown)
9. Titus (Bomber, Unknown)
10. Atum (Inquisitor, Unknown)
12. ChadMiller\Riley (Acolyte, Town)
12. Polysemous (Fanatic, Town)
13. Lyrium (Gravedigger, Town)
14. Luckylee (Benevolent Old Dame, Unknown)
15. ika (Spiritualist, Unknown)


So people I want to dig graves for: everyone alive. Yay.

BillDoor and Titus. So desirous of the murder of innocents. How do we feel about a lynch BillDoor and he takes out one of Titus plan? This plan has my entire support behind it.

Titus explain how your majority "scum reads" keep dying and turning up town? Explain to me, please.

BillDoor. I just want you dead for your evil witchy ways. Stop spiking the town water supply. Just stop it.

ika, what cards were used? Simply what cards or paraphrase the message you got for cards used or not used starting with Night 1. Thanks.

Atum, are you a sleeper agent? If you were a sleeper agent what would your next move be?

Lucky, do something interesting. Be a lucky charm for the villagers.

 

Lyrium, I do not feel comfortable with a Bill Door lynch. He's town. We'll talk about that. Lynch me first, don't touch him. I'm not wanting to put the game on one player's shoulders exclusively.

Lynch Bill Door (town). He misfires on town (he shouldn't in my plan, but we both know how inaccurate my reads have been). That leaves 5 alive going into night.

Witches use backup plan which hasn't been used according to ika. 2 v 2 at daybreak. Scum win.


Lyrium, the reason my scumreads keep flipping town is why I'm pushing ika. Someone knows me well enough to manipulate me to where I would be useful for the scum. Someone who would know what buttons to push and why. I would have been lynched Day 3 if not for ika's rabid defense of me and push onto Polysemous. Why?

I at first was thankful ika could actually read me worth a damn, but when I followed his plan of lynching people with extra lives if there was doubt about their alignment, he then supposes I'm scum solely because I was wrong.

He intended to have me as a mislynch when his hands would be a lot less dirty.

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@Chad, what do you think of the Lynch Bill Door plan? Have you played mafia before? If so, would you consider yourself more of a gut player or a logic player?

 

For Lucky it's the way he came up with the idea that he gets lynched to give blab an extra life (it might have been lyrium instead of blab, it was a long time ago and im too lazy to go back and check). I don't see Lucky doing that as scum ever.

For you it's the check you did on Poly day 1. It's not a check that scum would ever do, or anyone that had someone to ask who they should check would ever do.

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That sounds very murdery. Are you a witch?

 

@Bill Door, what if Luckylee knew that town would never lynch him over a confirmed scum in Citrus? I know it's a leap to suppose that Luckylee knew that. If it is accurate though, then it makes sense. Then it's LOL auto town. I think some of these things have to be investigated given the amount of should have been scum flips that have all been town.

Also, if scum wanted to verify if Poly was a mislynchable person wouldn't want to be trying to run at the acolyte right?

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pedit: Forgot this. What do you think of the lynch you plan Bill? Do not answer who you would shoot when answering this.

 

I don't think Lucky is the kind of person who would think like that.

No way does scum ever use an inquisitor like that. They use it for priest hunting. 100%

Don't lynch me. I'm town, lynching me is bad.

 

You are supposing Luckylee exists in a vaccum Bill. Plus, somethings need to be reexamined. Lynching me or ika is the right move for today probably, but I wouldn't be so sure on townreads on the both of them. Also, why couldn't Atum want to make sure Poly wasn't the priest as either alignment?

Given the ridiculous rule day 1 about no lynching newbies, it would make sense to think Poly was the priest as either alignment.

Rushing to judgement is bad Bill.

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** Luckylee existing in a vaccum would mean that his partners might come up with the plan he proposed.

 

Dunno yet, I'm still working it out. I haven't worked out the implications of witch!DOB yet.

Not only have I, but nearly all of my games have been under older, horribly-broken versions of this exact ruleset. One of my most infamous plays on the fantasystrike forums involved basically modconfirming all the witches (including myself) with something like 15 town vs. 6 scum remaining and still winning the game. I think that was the game that gave Chocolate Pi the idea of not tying all roles to town or scum.

I usually bluster around for the first few days and then try to solve the end game more logically, which is killing me because it's way harder to take all of this in when I wasn't actually playing the game. I already have an opinion who I'd lynch if I had a gun to my head but I still haven't read anything except Day 4 and some of Day 1.

 

1) point that out for me like im some fucking retard. right now it looks like your doing the same fucking thing atm

2) no i asked. if the kill FAILS then cursed player dies. if they opts for no kill, it would not take affect dont misrep or try to twist logic on my role

3) lyrim never got fonts alignment, you just jumping to some random conclusion on the first. and on the second lyrim would have to be scum but i think we would of figured that by now. again rash generalziation. what about a lyrim/atum? what about luck/atum? what about Bill and lucky?

again you are jsut shutting out the near many possibilties and rejectin other theiries.

4) no, lets say i was bomber and i had everyone but one person town, should i just randomly go out bombing? what if blab revealed day 1 (dunnow why exatly) or day 2 with inquit (or the other holy role whatever it is) wouldnt it be better to pass over there?

5) i didnt say that dont misrep me on that, i know your scum lvls and how well you can do as scum.

6) SHALL I GO GET EVERY FUCKING QUOTE WHERE YOU FUCKING TOWN READ ME? SHALL I QUOTE ALL THE TIMES YOU SAID I WAS SHIT ASS TOWN OR OBVI TOWN? SHALL I SHOW YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE RIGHT FUCKING NOW? I KNOW LYRIM DOESNT GIVE ME THE SAME FUCKING INFO, SHE GIVES SIMILAR. WHAT ABOUT FONT? DID SHE GET THAT INFO? I DONT SEE IT IN HER POSTS? IF SCUMS DONT USE FUCKING CARD I CAN STILL TRACK OTHERS AS FAR AS I FUCKING KNOW. QUIT FUCKING MISREPING MY GOD DAMN ROLE AND ME. SHOW ME ONE FUCKING QUOTE FROM ANY PREVIOUS DAYS WHERE YOU GO "well maybe ika isnt town" SHOW ME. I WANT TO SEE THE FUCKING POST

ok seriously...

I DONT USE THE FUCKIGN WIFOM IN ANY OF THIS FUCKING MANNER. I USE IT AS FUCKING TOWN TO DRAW THE SHIT ASS SCUMS. LOOK AT WW WHERE I NEARLY GOT A KILL ON ME. TELL ME THATS NOT SOME CASE OF WIFOM THERE. GO LOOK AT B&T WHERE I SUCKED AT IT. LOOK AT SHITTYASS AVATAR ONE WHERE I JUST OG FUCKING PISSED FOR WAITING AND WIFOMED THE SHIT OUT OF MY ROLE.

titus: dont ever, and i mean EVER think you can figure my fucking WIFOM as a damn scum. you know full fucking well that i dont do that shit half of the time