Someone just had to do it.

 

Uh, could you expand upon this a little, please? I think you might be saying to drop it, but I am absolutely horrible at interpreting metaphors and idioms, so I'd appreciate a very clear and understandable statement.

 

Sesc, I do agree with you when you say that incest isn't hot or at least it isn't in some cases. For those siblings that grew up together incest probably would suggest cracks in a person's mind. For those that met when they were older that might not be the case as the DM pointed out.

I have written defective characters that weren't terrible but none had characters that had povs. They were always side characters for antagonists and thus were easier to depict as defective. I imagine that it would be harder to write about a defective protagonist simply because he/she will be the main pov. I'll try getting a one-shot out by the end of next week. Hopefully it won't be a disaster.

Zeelthor, thanks for the rec. Exploring the taboo around the incest and how the twins will deal with their feelings for each other are what interest me the most about the pairing. And yes, developing it slowly would be best.

 

Decent chance it will be, because, unless you're unnaturally gifted, pretty much EVERYONE's first draft is a disaster by comparison to the finished product. The promise comes out in the process of editing, discussing, reediting, getting reamed by good readers, and then re-editing it.

 

Incest in fanfiction: The never-ending struggle to confound the Westermarck Effect.

Well, the people behind that Folgers commercial seemed to be onto something.

Seriously, though....

At least if you are already aware of these things, it means that you're well ahead of the game. Good on you.

 

HP could go into an alternate universe and fall in love with his female counterpart there. There's an idea.

 

Did you write that or just plan on writing it? I mean, I thought there was only that one chapter, the one posted on FFN, along with the thread here which contained the original version of it. In other words: finish the job you started.

That's the one that has Harry and Dumbledore duke it out in the middle of Diagon Alley, right? I think I remember some spell that Harry uses, called Godric's Hammer.

 

Depends, you want them having some sort of boyfriend-girlfriend relationship? If it's a yes, then it will be more complicated to write. I know of people that have "experimented" with siblins when they were young, simply because the were confortable with each other.

 

Why would anyone be attempting to confound a quack theory that was disproved years ago?

That's like saying fics with muggleborns and purebloods being inherently equal at magic is a struggle to confound eugenics.

 

r9kElsa is Suffering is a good example of a sibling incest fic done in a normal setting. Being a modernAU, with normal parents, a normal life and some abnormal romantic feelings. Elsa is pretty socially reclused, and it gives a good reasoning as to where her feelings may come from. She knows she's fucked up, and that self hatred manifests itself by making herself more of a recluse and less likely to move onto other romantic interests. It's an interesting spiral that gives a good reason for why she is the way she is. The consequences of when it comes to light to other people they know was also done quite well.

The one thing I thought wasn't done well is Anna's reasons for reciprocating those feelings once they came to light. There was a great couple of chapters which had an awesome dynamic where Anna is caught between holding familial love for her big sister, and being utterly disgusted and betrayed at how that same sister views her back. I would have loved it if this dynamic lasted for a lot longer, as opposed to Anna suddenly turning around and realizing she felt the same way.

It's those sorts of interesting interactions and relationships that I think can provide a lot of potential to this concept. A character who loves their sibling as family, but has to deal with the fact the feelings are reciprocated in a more romantic/sexual way. How the hell would anyone deal with that? We saw that briefly between Amy and Victoria in Worm too. I think that part could be more interesting to read than when a relationship actually came into fruition.

Yeah, definitely think it would be plausibly more common than people would think. I mean, you imagine kids who've gone through basic sexual education, are only just experiencing puberty and want to experiment, without really appreciating the consequences or taboos associated with it. They may not have any close friends of the opposite sex, so may find them doing that experimentation with their siblings.

I imagine this is how it started with Jamie and Cersei, coupled with the fact that the Lannister superiority that would have been drilled into their heads at a young age would probably have limited them from getting too close with other kids/teenagers their age.


Here's a story idea I had which starts with that premise. A pair of very close siblings sexually experimented a lot as kids, then were seperated for whatever reason. They continue with their lives, having newer romantic partners, but are always haunted by this knowledge that they lost their virginity through incest. This would constantly plague their thoughts every time they were with their boyfriends/girlfriends.

Eventually, they're reunited and it goes downhill from there. They've thought about each other a lot, and all those thoughts would be centered around the sex, rather than their time as siblings. A gradual building of sexual tension from then on.

Another variation would be similar to above, except one sibling tries to purge teh event from their memories and move on with their (love) life, while the other spent those years a bit more socially inept and the childish experimenting turned into more genuine romantic obsession. It'd give you that fucked up relationship dynamic I mentioned above.

I think in the end, you'd definitely need either a period of seperation to break the sibling relationship or for very close siblings to basically be lacking in other romantic options.

 

Political debate?
No debate, here: Just Meev taking my opening line far too seriously, given the context of the line that followed it...

Now, the in-story politics are another matter. Sooner or later a writer must handle how the Wizarding World views incest, in general, and specifically how they will react if Harry engages in such a relationship, given the importance he holds as a symbol in their society (for good or ill).

As you said, one option is that they're totally fine with it, but that is kind of a cop out. That's one of the ironies of HP fan fic: A great many stories insist that the Wizarding World is chock full of inbred purebloods who have intermarried a zillion times with no thought given to any potential biological effects it may have (fair enough, the Gaunts are the canon version of this extreme), until Hermione or Harry rub their noses in it... but whenever someone goes to write a story where the main character is happily involved in sibling incest, Wizarding society is suddenly portrayed as a lot less keen on the subject, and avoiding notice or gaining (legal) acceptance becomes a big deal for the main characters.

It's the sliding scale of taboo acceptance in HP fic: The more okay Harry is with it, the more the magical world hates it, and vice versa.

Now, obviously, the characterization of Harry and his sister and the portrayal of the relationship is the much more important building block, here, than the politics... although, to some extent, Harry and his sister's behavior and feelings about their relationship should be shown as affected by society's views, on some level. In a world where it's viewed as okay, you suddenly lose a lot of the tension and conflict in the relationship, where one partner or another may start feeling guilt or shame and try to back away, if only momentarily. Or they may feel anger toward that society. Maybe their feelings being viewed as wrong makes them feel even more isolated and alone, except for the one person who understands them... which drives them deeper into the relationship, for reasons that are less about love than their partner would like, which could lead to an argument of some magnitude.

Maybe they're worried about legal ramifications, should they get caught. There are usually no shortage of antagonists ready to use the legal system and its flaws to put Harry in a tight spot, which means that societal pressures could quickly become political pressures. Caught early enough (before their majority), someone could try to use their relationship as a reason to change their guardianship. Maybe it's just blown up in the press (it's Harry, so the press sticking their nose in is a given, should they be discovered) as another mark against muggles, "This is the kind of thing that happens when primitive muggles are raising decent magical children..."

Extreme? Eh, maybe not, given some of the stuff that happened in canon.

Without the societal pressures against such relationships... Well, I suppose in a Wizarding World that is totally okay with consensual incest, you drain most of the inherent tensions and complications out of the relationship and end up with just another love story (though, those seem hard enough for the average fan fic writer to pull off).

Hmm... I guess this post was just me taking a lot of words just to rehash Writing 101: Characterization is perhaps most important, but a character's portrayal should be informed (sometimes heavily) by the society around them.

Which sort of makes this post Warlocke 101.

 

Just read Sister, Mine. First chapter needs some editing. Please continue this fic.

 

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Hi, DLP. I originally expected to have my incest fanfic out sometime by the end of August but work and personal matters got in the way of any planning/writing that I could have done. Haven't had much free time to work on the idea until recently. At the moment I'm only in the early stages of my planning and wanted to get some opinions on how I'm going to handle the relationship between Harry and Elise, Harry's twin sister, before I set it in stone. I'll start off with a bit of information about the world to help everyone understand what world the twins and born in and how it will affect them. [/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The fanfic, called Seasons of Change, is my take on Taure's Immortals [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]idea[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]which he has given permission for people to use,[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]in addition to my shot at writing a sibling incest story[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The wizarding world that I'm building is going to be fairly different than the one in canon. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]One of the differences[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]in my story[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] will be that [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]the wizarding world[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] will be located in an entirely separate world instead of being hidden alongside the muggle world. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The wizarding nation, that Harry and Elise are born in, will be one that is jointly ruled by four political parties called the Great Houses [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]which are named after their founders...Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, Slytherin, and Ravenclaw[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Each Great House governs a district in the nation.[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] With the exception of the laws created by the[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] Council of the Great Houses that decides the laws that all four districts have to follow, the Great Houses [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]have the ability to do whatever they want in their districts[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Hogwarts is not just a school of magic, it's a school for training members of the Great Houses. Being sorted into a house there automatically grants one membership into a Great House and graduating from it moves one up to the middle ranks in their House. Given that joining a Great House takes years of service to that House and a further few decades to move up to the middle ranks [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]and the quality of the education[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif], a Hogwarts education is the most sought after education in the wizard world. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Unfortunately for most, a Hogwarts education is rather expensive so most have to make do with lesser schools or [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]apprenticeships.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]P[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]owerful families [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]are consumed with the desire to increase their own power and wealth. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Some consolidate power within one great House while others spread themselves over multiple Houses. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The Black family is one of the families that has devoted themselves to increasing their power within House Slytherin. Under the leadership of Phineas Black, one of the youngest Lords of Magic,[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]they are slowly increasing their power and are constantly completing with other powerful families within the Slytherin district. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]A connection exists between the Blacks and the twins through Dorea Black the grandmother of the twins and the [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]granddaughter[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] of Phineas Black. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Normally this connection would not mean much. Dorea displeased her grandfather by marrying into a relatively unknown and small family. Dorea burned all bridges with the Blacks by letting James marry a muggle-born witch. The Black family would have been content with ignoring the Potters [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]but that changed when Voldemort attacked the family. [/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]As in canon there will be a prophecy, will be slightly different so that Voldemort is clearly identified [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]since at this time he is a relatively unknown wizard that is slowly gathering allies[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif], that foretells the birth of someone that can vanquish Voldemort. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Voldemort learns of it from Snape and sets off to find anyone that can meet the criteria. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]By the time he gets to the Potters he has eliminated numerous [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]prophecy child[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] candidates. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The elder Potters are killed and Voldemort turns his attention to the twins. He uses the killing curse on Harry only to have it backfire on him just as in canon. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Voldemort is left powerless and flees to lands outside of wizarding society to avoid being found by any[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]one that may affect him. [/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]D[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]umbledore, who has been keeping a track of Voldemort and is aware of him being after the Potters, shortly arrives at the scene. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]It doesn't take long for him to work out what has happened and arrive to the conclusion that Harry must be the child of prophecy. Here D[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]umbledore makes a rather tough choice. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]While Voldemort is out of commission his Death Eaters are still out there and pose a threat to the twins [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]if they come looking to finish off what Voldemort started[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]He wants the twins to grow up in a safe environment [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]but he is also aware that Voldemort is still alive and may return to power one day [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]along with the [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]frightening[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] magical talent Voldemort has[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry is going to need powerful allies in the future [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]if he is to overcome Voldemort[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] and Dumbledore wants said allies to be available to him as soon as possible. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Lord Black, whom the twins are directly descended from, would make for a good ally as the Blacks are [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]becoming a great power [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]in House Slytherin[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Unfortunately, for Dumbledore, Lord Black is the kind of person that Dumbledore doesn't want Harry to grow up under. He'll quickly see what has happened to Harry and from there mold him into a loyal tool. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Elise on the other hand is some[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]one that can be used to help Harry become closer with the Black family. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]He decides to leave Elise in the care of Lord Black where she will hopefully become close to the Black family, enough so that they will accept Harry as family and will ally with him when he needs it. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry on the other hand is to be left with his Aunt back on Earth while everyone is made to believe that he has died. Dumbledore discarded the idea of hiding in the wizarding world because he wasn't sure if he would be able to hide Harry's presence from Lord Black should he attempt to verify that Harry is indeed dead. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]On Earth Harry should be able to remain hidden unless Lord Black makes the trip back to Earth which is unlikely. [/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry grows up as he does in canon for the most part. One of the differences is that the Dursleys aren't quite bad enough to make Harry live in a cupboard. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]He is unloved and is made to feel like a burden again and again. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Luckily, for Dumbledore, Harry grows up to be a fairly good child and does not succumb to hatred/resentment.[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] His deepest desire will be for a family that loves [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]him[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Dumbledore's plans/hopes for Elise [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]on the other hand don't[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] pan out as well as hoped for. While he was close to the Potters he wasn't fully aware of the [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]damaged relations[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] between the Potters and [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]the Blacks after James married Lily...a relationship that was never on the best of terms to begin with[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Lord Black would have refused to take custody of Elise were it not for her metamorphmagus ability. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]In this wizarding world people are able to permanently alter appearance but it requires quite a bit of skill or money to get someone to make the changes. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]It is also not something that can be done too often, one often has to wait a few months before making more permanent changes [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]or else they run the risk of [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]damaging their ability to accept permanent changes[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Metamorphmagi, who can alter their appearance at will, are highly prized especially since there is usually no more than half a dozen at any given time. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]With Elise having this ability she becomes a valuable [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]asset [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]who can be used [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]to great effect as a [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]spy or courtesan. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]In a world where powerful families are constantly competing with and fighting each other for the sake of more power, spies/seductresses can be rather [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]useful.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]While Elise comes under the care of the Blacks [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]most[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] aren't really too pleased by this[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] mainly because she is a half-blood [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]despite her value[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]From a young age Elise is given the best possible training/education that the Blacks can provide her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]She is [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]taught[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] wizarding customs, [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]politics[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif], history, [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]the arts,[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] and everything [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]else[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] a young wealthy witch ought to know. Play dates are arranged for her with other Black children and the children of allies [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]so she can improve her social skills[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Over the time she grows into a[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] smart, talented, [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]and [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]graceful[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] young child. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]But she lacks any consistent affection especially from the older Blacks. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]For all the promise Elise shows and her value as a Metamorphmagus no one really forgets that she is a half-blood. While she is never treated truly badly, [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]adults[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] are always standoffish with her and/or throw veiled insults at her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Even the young children who she interacts with learn, over the years, that she is a half-blood and can't help with look down on her from time to time. Elise struggles again and again to obtain the affections of those around her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]For a while s[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]he pushe[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]d[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] herself to learn whatever she is taught. To be everything that her family wants her to be but she ma[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]de[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] little progress in gaining the affection she sorely lacks.

[/FONT] [FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]B[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]y the time she is eleven, Elise has begun to nurture [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]a slight[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] resentment towards the Black family. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]She is aware of her fate, to be used as a spy/courtesan, and can't help but hate that she has to do it for a family that doesn't care for her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]She wants to escape her fate but defying the will of a Lord is inadvisable. Her own grandmother got away with marrying a nobody solely because of the affection Lord Black had for her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Elise, as a[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] disliked[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] child, can expect a harsh response if she attempts to [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]flee.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]And then comes her Hogwarts letter and the revelation that Harry is still alive. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Their first meeting will be a bit awkward for both. They aren't entirely sure of how to interact with each other. Harry will be desperately hoping that Elise is someone that will like him [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]but his lack of social skills [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]will leave him uncertain of how to interact with her[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Elise will be a bit wary of Harry at first. Trust is something that she sorely lacks [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]and it will show in her guarded interactions with Harry. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Still, Harry is her brother so she begs to be the one that instructs Harry about the wizarding world. Lord Black, who is suspicious of how Harry shows up shortly before Hogwarts is to begin and how he was on Earth, grudgingly grants Elise her one request. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]In the month before the twins leave for Hogwarts, Elise teaches Harry what he needs to know or at least as much as she can in the short time. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]During[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] this time the two will grow closer.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]I[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]t doesn't take long for [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]both[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] to grow attached to [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]each other[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. For him Elise is his greatest desire come true...a family that loves him. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]In Harry, Elise finds what she has always wanted from the Blacks [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]and a possessiveness takes root in her[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]A[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]t Hogwarts the two will grow closer though they will have their ups and downs. As similar as they are Elise has a few traits that displease Harry such as her growing [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]arrogance and fondness of insulting those that get on her nerves. Years of suffering insults have led her to being willing to do the same to those she can get away with doing it to assuming that they irk her. Hermione will be one such recipient of the insults. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Still, Harry is willing to ignore it because Elise does [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]genuinely[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] care for him [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]and Harry isn't willing to risk [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]losing[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] it[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The events of the end of the year will strengthen their bond rather greatly. By this point neither will have any romantic/lustful thoughts towards each other.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]T[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]his remain true until their fourth year at Hogwarts. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The summer before their fourth year is the first time that Elise experiences a taste of what the Black family intends for her. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]The event fans her small resentment into a [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]deep hatred[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] barely kept in check only by an iron will[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]This is the moment when she begins to nurture dreams of either crushing the Black family or seizing control of it for herself.[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] By this point Harry has become her rock and moral support. In many ways he has changed her for the better. She is happier as a result of Harry barring the times [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]her fate weighs heavily on her mind. She has cut down on her unprovoked insults for Harry's sake [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]along with a few other positive changes[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Of course not everything is for the better. She's leading straight down the path of being a dark witch. All the conflicts at Hogwarts over the years have shaped her into a vicious person willing to do anything to end threats [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]to Harry or herself. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]What she experienced during the summer didn't help matters too much.[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] Harry has also inadvertently fanned her possessiveness to some extreme heights. This was no problem because she was by far the most important person to Harry. Their fourth year changes this.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Shortly into their fourth year [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry begins to show an interest in girls, not sure who at this point, and Elise [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]absolutely [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]hates that. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry Is by far the best thing in her life. The idea of Harry growing to [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]love someone more than her is unacceptable. Elise quickly [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]succeeds in [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]sabotag[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]ing[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] the relationship [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]before it even has a chance to start[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Elise then makes the choice to [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]capture Harry's interest as a female instead of allowing the possibility of some other female snatching up his interest. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]During the course of[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] the year she attempts to seduce Harry. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Harry, who is aware that the wizarding world doesn't look kindly on sibling incest and not really seeing Elise in such a way, resists her advances though it is getting to him as the year progresses. It would be hard not to, Elise is always using a form that appeals to Harry's preferences. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]After facing a life and death situation at the end of the year Harry is in a rather vulnerable [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]state[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] and Elise takes advantage of it and [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]succeeds[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif] in seducing Harry. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Once Harry is in a better state he won't really be too pleased by what Elise did. He'll attempt to avoid further advances from her but he has experienced what Elise is offering and a big part of him does want her now. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]He'll attempt to resist and even hook up with other women but they can't compare to what he felt with Elise. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]His brotherly love and lust for Elise [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]are going to conflict with each other but eventually the forbidden fruit will prove to be too tempting to resist.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]T[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]hat should hopefully be a decent enough way to develop a sibling relationship between the twins and then turn it into a sexual relationship. [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]From there I can hopefully work on building upon that incestuous relationship.[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Let me know if some parts feel off to you or if the whole thing is unlikely to be accepted as a plausible way to [/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]turn their relationship into an incestuous one[/FONT][FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif].[/FONT]

 

Confirming that I have given permission for Lords of Magic ideas to be used.

SEL, with regards to the world, here are a couple of things to think on:

What happened with all the magical creatures, plants, and other intelligent races? Wizards taking them to their new planet via the portal is possible, but it's hard to believe that they'd manage to take them all? An interesting way of showing the divergence could be that there are a few species of magical creature which are known to the Muggles in this universe, because the wizards weren't able to take them with. They'd be the smaller creatures though, because it's hard to miss a dragon lol.

You still have Muggleborns... you're going to have to figure out how exactly that works. Presumably there is some kind of organisation that monitors Earth and finds Muggleborns to bring them to the Wizarding World, but at what age? Who runs the organisation? What are the politics around it?

Population. With a whole empty planet to fill, the entire global population of wizards living in proximity, and no secrecy to worry about, I imagine the wizarding population has exploded somewhat. Add immortality to the mix and you're running into serious problems of exponential growth for a thousand years. In Lords I had it so that there was international consensus among wizards on limiting birth rates, with each nation having a annual quota of new births. You had to apply for a licence to have a kid. Alternatively you could restrict immortality to a small group of elite wizards.

Natural history of the new planet. here's your chance to go crazy imaginative, Pandora style. What's the geography of the new wizarding planet? What creatures already existed there? Does magic work differently there? We know that celestial objects have some effect, at least, on magic (e.g. werewolves). It would be interesting to see slight variations in the way magic works here. And if wizards are still making trips back to Earth to find Muggleborns, then you have an interesting contrast.

Muggle history should be different, because your divergence point where wizards abandon Earth was in the time of Merlin, about 800 years before the Statute of Secrecy would have passed. So you have 800 years of history in which originally wizards played a part, but now they did not. There's no need to go crazy here, but small changes would add an extra subtle layer of interest. (See also: Muggles have found a magical creature).

Finally, as a general tip, I'd just say: add as much complexity as you can. When it comes to political set-ups like this, the more complexity the more interesting it is. You need to avoid a situation where you have the world neatly divided into four nations (your Great Houses are for all intents and purposes nations), each of which is clearly delineated from the others (see: Avatar TLA). Powerful families bridging the nations is a start, but you can go much further. You need to figure out how the Lords of Magic idea interacts with the Four Great Houses idea. With power comes a desire for independence and a certain measure of arrogance. This is the perfect chance to give your world a more complex history which impacts the present. Don't have the political landscape be largely the same as it was when wizards arrived there. Each successive Lord of Magic should have upset the balance. The statement "the world is divided into four Great Houses" should be followed by a dozen asterisks.


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Finally, on the matter of the incest, I think having one of them decide to essentially seduce the other is perhaps the wrong way to go about it. Jon's point about Catharsis was a good one: you have to make the reader root for the pairing before either of the characters realise its possibility.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that you shouldn't advertise the pairing in the summary information. Don't make the readers expect the pairing. Make them think it's going to be a regular story but develop Elise such that the readers think she's a really great character who has great chemistry with Harry. Readers will be calling for you to pair them up, but they won't think you'll actually do it.

Then around 4th-5th year you drop a description here and there which sexualises Elise for the reader (the realisation that she's a woman and hot at that). Slowly have Harry and Elise show affection more physically, without realising what they're doing. At some point in 6th year, have some event happen where they're given the opportunity to realise their physical attraction to each other (masquerade ball? Alternatively, a cliché anime style accidental nudity event). Have them struggle with it in a awkward and shy and hesitant manner but eventually teenage hormones win the day.

Throughout this process have the pair of them also engage in normal dating.

I do like that they didn't grow up together during their formative years. That makes it slightly more believable.