Meh, I was under the presumption this is fan fiction, which means we can dispense with the apparently self-contained nature of the Ministries in canon and create a more open AU world.

 

You're completely right, of course. It would require quite an extensive bit of world-building.

 

Some people call this work. I call it an opportunity.

 

Members of AlternateHistory.com will surely recognize this, but for those who don't, here's a brief summary.

So basically, time land replacement. ISOTs became very popular in the alternate history community, with writers creating their own versions in which various bits of land (usually entire countries) are either sent back or forward in time to replace their past/future versions.

Some stories even go as far as transporting land to or from alternative universes, such as having Real World Earth switch places with the Star Trek Earth.

Writers almost NEVER create in-universe explanations for such a transportation, or if they do, it's by using deus ex machina. Either way, the reason for ISOTs is not important, the consequences following the transportation are what's important.

Why am I mentioning all this?

How would you feel about a story where during Halloween 1994, when the Goblet of Fire chooses the Triwizard Champions, Hogwarts, the Forbidden Forest, the Hogwarts Lake, castle grounds, Hogsmeade and obviously every single person in these areas is transported to...

...well, wherever you want. You could have them appear in ancient times, drastically altering history, or you could have them appear in the far future where they see the world conquered by Voldemort. Or you could go for Middle Earth, Westeros, Alagaesia, Pokemon Universe and countless other excuses for crossovers.

Basically, ISOTs are a crossover fanfiction writer's wet dream.

 

I came up with an idea for an original story featuring this wherein the 101st Infantry Division of the c.1912 British Army is transported to an alien world that is pretty much uniformly hostile to them. The title was going to be The Suns Never Set on the British Empire, owing mostly to the fact that the new world orbited a binary star system.

I got pretty far into the planning stages, even coming up with a couple of proto-scenes and awesome bits before losing interest.

 

This might be interesting to you then.
Rome, Sweet Rome. Perhaps you've heard about it.

 

Nifty. I liked it, though what I was writing tended more towards an actual story rather than the stuff AltHis pumps out. 99% of the stuff I've found there reads like a history textbook, which I got enough of in uni, thanks very much.

 

What . . . wait—bored=no write? Damn you!

 

Believing himself invincible Voldermort pays no attention to the prophecy. Without a Boy-Who-Lived Voldermort kills Dumbledore, wins the war, and controls magical Britain. Story follows either Neville or Harry fulfilling the prophecy.

Edit: Never read any although I guess it makes sense. Haven't read every story in this fandom and a lot of the older ones are lost anyways so I guess I missed them.

 

I think it may have been done once or twice.

 

I'm a few days late replying to this, but basically the biggest problem you'll have with doing a HP crossover this way is finding a setting where a castle full of Potter wizards won't immediately steamroll everyone else. It's hard enough balancing Harry's power alone when you he crosses over to another universe, but hundreds of wizards (some of them amongst the most talented in their fields of study, one of them Albus Dumbledore) with all the resources of Hogwarts behind them is pretty much unbeatable in most settings.

On that note, I think there is pretty much no realistic way you can make a wizard with any small amount of training balanced in Westeros, which is unfortunate considering how interesting the setting is. Too many spells just absolutely dominate normal humans (especially at a medieval technology level), meaning a wizard walks all over them.

 

You can have a lot of fun with this.

Imagine sending them to a so-called "Virgin Earth" which is basically an alternate universe in which humanity never existed.

Or how about a world where magic doesn't exist? Not our world with "Harry Potter" fiction, just a world without magic. They'd have to develop a new society from scratch.

How about the Pokemon universe? I'd argue many Pokemon are walking WMDs, so they can hold their ground.

And hey, having the wizards superior doesn't have to be a problem. It can be a good source of drama. Like imagine sending them to another setting destabilizes that setting's balance of power.

Take Westeros as an example. Imagine the Slytherins and the Durmstrang folks leaving Hogwarts to carve out an Empire for themselves. Knowing Dumbledore and Madam Maxime, they won't be happy to hear about this. Hell, the Beauxbatons crowd may feel that they don't owe Hogwarts anything and may leave as well, to get a piece of land themselves.

How the War of the Five Kings would change if you suddenly had three different powerful factions entering the scene? Slytherin/Durmstrang, Beauxbatons and Hogwarts.

What's better is if the arrival of Potterverse wizards influences the local magic and gives a massive boost to existing magic users (like Melisandre or Daenerys). Going even further, what if their arrival causes muggleborn wizards to be born randomly across Westeros and Essos?

 

Yeah, I'd say the biggest issue of power disparity (the most glaring being the ease of mind control and memory manipulation to people who aren't wizards) isn't an actual issue when you keep the major conflict between the actual wizards, it's a plot point. If you're moving a group of wizards to a world different from their own, then you're essentially removing the Ministries and the Statute of Secrecy from those wizards, and not all wizards are going to react the same way to that or be on the same side in such a situation.

 

A different Harry Potter experience leads to detentions with Flitwick, where the detention is the study and understanding of a spell of Harry's choice. Harry picks incendio. Whenever he gets a detention, it's transferred to Flitwick, which has the effect that Harry has a better understanding of charms than we see in canon, in particular an intimate understanding of the fire charm.

Fast forward to third year. Harry choses Runes as an elective (not sure which one to replace) and continues on his way. The extend of runes that he learns is essentially language, not magic channeling or any other fanon. Runes are simply an old form of communication. Year four, Triwizard Tournament is further inspiration for him. He's not selected here, but does want to compete in the future, further pushing him forward magically.

Sixth year, TWT is in France. Harry manages to make it over, and is chosen to represent Hogwarts. He runs through the tasks and manages to seduce Fleur (Now a teacher's aid) through the course of the year, largely due to his use of charms in the tasks.

End of the tournament, Voldemort is raised as per a similar ritual. Harry is captured. A captured Harry is taken to a cell. Weeks later someone else is put in with him. At first blush she looks like Fleur, but is wearing chain mail gloves. She doesn't speak english, but they are able to communicate with runes, which she has a greater knowledge of than Harry. Harry tells his story through a combination of runes and figures he creates with incendio. Because it is wandless, he is unable to keep it up for long, but gradually unfolds his story.

The magic doesn't startle the young blonde, instead it appears to frustrate her. Rather than use magic with her hands the young woman breathes, and snow builds itself on the ground, showing a story of accidental magic harming a family member, and the isolated life she led because of it. When she ran from the party where she was being crowned queen, she locked the world into winter, and as she was running into the mountains she felt tugged, and came to be in the house, surrounded by wizards with wands. They captured her, and were having trouble keeping her magic contained until they covered her hands. Thus the gloves.

Anyhow, after several weeks of food and water being delivered without interaction from others, they have figured out a way to remove her gloves. Shortly after they do, the door opens and they tear through the guards using fire and ice.

They escape and return to England, where they look for help to find out what happened with Elsa. Voldemort attacks at the end of the year and is defeated in a fight against Harry and Albus. Dark Lord vanquished, they turn to find a way to return her.

They fill bags of holding with equipment, do the whole battle robe shopping trip BS and the return ritual doesn't go as planned. One minute they are staining together, ready to travel back to Elsa's world, armed and ready, and the next minute they are gone, and everything they were wearing and carrying (including wands, bags, cloaks and clothes) is left behind.

They appear naked in front of six figures and a stone table. Winter and Summer's Queens, Ladies and Knights are arguing about the need for sacrifices representing Winter and Summer. Along comes Elsa with her control of Ice and Harry with his control over Fire. :fire

There's more (I ended up throwing them into Westeros because of Ice and Fire before it ended) but felt like it was too much. :facepalm I was thinking it would be good to write each part as an exercise, (AU Harry, Out of order book events, Seducing Fleur) and then add in the portion with Elsa as a side. The crossover to Dresden has sprung up from reading the series recently and thinking about how the true Winter Queen would react to Elsa.

Edit:
A portion of the power adjustment that I felt would be manageable is that they didn't have wands when they arrived. In the case of the DF world Dresden would have to walk them through creating foci. This would decrease their capabilities, and bring at least Harry Potter closer to the power levels we see in Dresden's world.

 

Exalted. Wizards are so low on totem pole it would be hilarious if they were to go against any exalted characters only coming close to parity against dragonblooded if I am not mistaken. Even then they lose by numbers.

It might be interesting.

 

Here's a random thought.

Not matter how you look at it, all plots of all seven books are somehow tied to the Defense Professor of the year (the only odd one is Lockhart, but he's still somehow involved).

So, in a way, most of the time the plots of the books would happen differently (or not happen at all) if the curse on the Defense Position was not in place.

Well, what if when Harry defeats Voldemort in 1981 as a baby and Voldemort is disembodied, the curse is cancelled?

It basically changes almost everything in the books.

We know that Quirrell died at the end of his year due to the curse, but one could argue that the only reason he became the Defense Professor is because of the curse as well! Perhaps their fate was predetermined somehow.

In each year, if the given person did not become the Defense Professor, their lives would have been much better.

Quirrell would be perhaps alive, maybe he wouldn't find Voldemort in Albania. He'd be still the muggle studies Professor.

Lockhart would still be a successful writer and still on the loose as a memory thief. He'd still have his memories.

Lupin? Well, he wouldn't be outed as a werewolf. So that's helpful.

Moody may peacefully enjoy his retirement and not have an (unwilling) hand in Voldemort's return. And if we go for Barty Crouch Jr. affected by the curse, he'd still have his soul.

Umbridge wouldn't be raped by centaurs

Snape wouldn't have to kill Dumbledore and flee Hogwarts.

And, last and most certainly least, the Carrows wouldn't be put in Azkaban (or whatever their fate was after the Battle of Hogwarts).

My main point is the theory that the Defense Curse works both ways: it punishes those who become Defense Professors but also causes them to get the position in the first place. Similar to Felix Felicis, human actions and probability are altered by the curse in such a way to allow all this to happen.

So yeah, in a way the Defense Curse is the most powerful type of magic shown in the books.

 

Canon Lupin has got to be the wimpiest werewolf ever. The only other werewolf in HP we know to a respectable degree is Fenrir Greyback and try telling me he's not an absolute badass. Even his name sounds like it's dripping testosterone. Rowling had practically made a tradition of giving her characters meaningful names. See this:

Name's Fenrirrghrhrrrrrrrr Grrrrreyback, I'm a werewolf!

TL;DR: plot bunny--make Remus a proper werewolf.

 

On a related note: the Marauders once had the idea to have Remus try to become an animagus so that he could transform and retain his mind before the full moon had risen, hopefully in a form other than a wolf. Only it didn't work so well. While Remus did manage to transform outside of the full moon, the effects of the werewolf curse simply migrated to his animagus form.

Given that the animagus transformation is a choice rather than forced, there was no way for Remus to willingly transform back into a human. Albus Dumbledore had to intervene to save his life and reverse the transformation, warning the teenager that if the Ministry ever caught wind of this then he would likely be sent to Azkaban.

Thus Remus Lupin has the ability to transform into a ravening, magically resistant wolf at any point he wishes.

 

Hunting children as a dirty, reeking hobo working for a psychotic terrorist (even when he wasn't a werewolf) seems awesome to you? I guess you missed the heavily pedophilic overtones.

Um, he's not an absolute badass.

 

I'd like to see a proper Remus - Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde style. In his madness, he's so dangerous that he has to be forcibly locked down in a safe place, but, when he's lucid, he's an exceedingly talented doctor (or professor).

As for plox: Year 3 at Hogwarts, Remus is accidentally let loose on the school (in part, thanks to Snape and Pettigrew), Sirius is implicated in the resulting aftermath (though they both get away thanks to Harry and Hermione) and they go on the run from the Ministry.