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Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Jon, May 22, 2014.

  1. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Not really. The problem isn't that the sword got fixed. The problem is that it's a lightsaber.
     
  2. Samuel Black

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    Bro. It was called a parasite because it WAS a parasite. Let's run down the list.

    1. It lived in Dresden
    2. It derived 'nutrients' at the hosts expense. (It was maturing, and Dresden was suffering because of it)

    Parasite. You are reading way, way to much into it. Find something else to complain about.
     
  3. Genghiz Khan

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    Well, unborn babies do the same thing. I'd hardly call an unborn baby a parasite.
     
  4. Aekiel

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    That's exactly the point Harry raised when he was talking with his inner self. He wouldn't call her a parasite, but others would. Demonreach also came to an agreement with the Spirit that it wouldn't reveal its identity either, so he couldn't call it what it was. Hence, parasite.
     
  5. Genghiz Khan

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    Well, let's hope that the spirit knew something Harry didn't when she asked Demonreach to not tell Harry about her true nature. Till now, it doesn't exactly make a lot of sense. The spirit is a spirit of intellectus, she probably knows that her father would make sure that everything is perfect for her if he knew what she was. Wouldn't it have been better had she bargained for Demonreach to actually tell Harry about her properly and/or convince Harry to deliver her properly?
     
  6. Aekiel

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    Spirit of Intellect*. There's a huge difference between a Spirit of Intellect and Intellectus.
     
  7. LittleChicago

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    To quote Jim Butcher from a recent Q & A:

    "It sounds like there's a possible miscommunication there, or like someone doesn't have all the facts. I say to you what I said to last person to bring this up: Next question!"

    Snarkiness aside, I think it's a pretty safe bet that harry, and by extension, we, the readers, have not been fed all the information. Or, perhaps, we had been fed misinformation. We read everything through the filter of how Dresden sees it; ergo, it is tainted.

    Chances are, we do not know enough to answer all of the questions that the spirit's 'birth' have raised.
     
  8. Genghiz Khan

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    @Aekiel - You're right, my bad.

    @LittleChicago - Aaargh. It's times like this when I wish someone could light Butcher's arse on fire and hurry up the next book.
     
  9. syed

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    It has been said that the new SOI is more powerful than bob, this leads me to believe she has more than simply her father's knowledge, the knowledge of one single mortal wizard, even Harry dresden, is not not enough to match the knowledge of a centuries old spirit. However, the knowledge from a fallen angel, even incomplete, would potentially be a far more powerful entitiy.
     
  10. Aekiel

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    Given the nature of her conception, I wouldn't be surprised if she's lost access to some of that knowledge, or it's been warped in some way. Spirits of Intellect have very few restrictions on how they use their knowledge, especially compared to Angels and their Fallen brethren. We'll have to wait to find out, I guess, but it seems as though the new Spirit would logically have access to all of Lash's memories. Albeit after she took a psychic bullet to the brain, possibly.
     
  11. redshell

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    Jim, how many times do we have to tell you not to refer to yourself in the third person?

    And yes, this has been established numerous times; Dresden is an unreliable narrator. His case files are basically told to us as they happen, so he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight and we don't know that he's about to screw up. Which, in my opinion, is what makes these books so much better.

    Also, at the overall discussion of SoI's knowledge; basically, because Lash was an imprint of Lasciel, SoI has all of Lasciel's knowledge - and all of the really horrible things that implies. If Dresden asked the right questions, he could figure out a way to unmake reality, just to start.
     
  12. Lord Raine

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    Then I guess you just hate fun and can't be reasoned with, then.
     
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    I think Lord Raine is a Faerie. She's susceptible to irony.
     
  14. Zeelthor

    Zeelthor Scissor Me Timbers

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    It's still bullshit that Butter survived. Even if Nicodemus was shocked there are still two very old and practised monsters, with their fallen angels, one of whom is a wizard-level talent. There are about a dozen trained killers with assault rifles and shotguns. Surely if they all open fire on Butters there is no fucking way he lives.
     
  15. Agayek

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    Well sure, if Nicodemus hadn't been, well, Nicodemus.

    It's the exact same thing as when Dresden blitzed the Denarians on Demonreach back in Small Favor. They scattered in the face of his charge despite outnumbering him and the Knights two-to-one. Nic's very nature is to be hyper-cautious and to retreat in the face of the unknown, until it stops being the unknown. He doesn't take risks, in other words, which is the only reason he's lived as long as he has.
     
  16. Lord Raine

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    First of all, irony doesn't exist on the internet.

    Secondly, that's not what irony is even if it did.

    Thirdly, Taure is incapable of being ironic, as that would imply he has human emotions and not Vulcan ones.

    Fourthly, if you try and dodge again by saying you were being ironic about Taure being ironic, I will literally stab you.

    Two layers of Harry's coat stopped a fifty caliber round from an anti-material rifle. And that was without it being possessed by Bob to supercharge the enchantments and animate it to actively block and angle-deflect incoming fire.

    Butters not dying to the bullets is arguably the only thing that wasn't bullshit.
     
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  17. Anstid

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    I guess you just hate fun and can't be reasoned with, then.
     
  18. Zeelthor

    Zeelthor Scissor Me Timbers

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    The coat doesn't cover his head. A dozen men with automatic weapons should be able to hit his head. It does make sense for Nicodemus to back off, but why not tell his troops to fire while he backs off?
     
  19. Red Aviary

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    Two words: divine intervention.

    Also, this. I like this.
     
  20. Agayek

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    Because Nic was more concerned about getting the fuck away so that the Knight that had just done something he'd never seen before doesn't do another something he'd never seen before and kill him.

    It's really that simple. Butters somehow magically reformed the sword, something he'd clearly thought impossible, right in front of him. His fight or flight instinct went into high gear at that, and his nature is to always retreat when that happens to make sure he lives long enough to overcome the threat.

    The next time they meet, I'd be very surprised if Nic doesn't make a very good showing of trying to tear off Butters' head, but in that situation, it was explicitly in character for Nic to just GTFO as quickly as possible.
     
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