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Naruto Manga Thread Part 2

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Jon, Feb 12, 2014.

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  1. VanRopen

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    God Vincent, how could you even argue such a thing.

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    Just look at this utterly selfish douchebaggery. It's despicable.

    Nobody is saying Sasuke is without fault, but the way you are considering him is like saying Naruto is an emotionally crippled retard - perhaps technically true, but not a fair look at his character.
     
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  2. Rache

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    Re-watched and re-read the anime and manga and found the following redeeming points for Sasuke:

    Nope nothing from my side.

    By all means, Orochimaru should have taken over his body. At least he would have wiped out the Akatsuki all by himself.
     
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    Except even Sasuke says he doesn't know why he did it. His body moved on it's own. He didn't make a conscious choice to defend Naruto, his training kicked in.

    That's all.

    Sasuke's one redeeming moment was at the end of his battle with Gaara. But within two episodes he's back to being his broody, angsty, emofag self.

    Edit: Naruto IS a retard, something which pisses me off to this day. That's just better than being a massive douchebag McArsewipe with no concept of loyalty or empathy.
     
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  4. Rache

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    If Kishimoto actually bothered to give Naruto genuine skills instead of massively overpowered power-ups, 3/4 of the Sasuke bandwagon would be cheering the other half.

    I love every battle that has Sasuke fighting in anime. Dude's a total bad-ass. Still doesn't change the fact that he is a total douche and a not someone you want as a Kage leading your village, especially if he defected from the said village and murdered their previous Kage.
     
  5. Vincent

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    The point is that you're not naming an exception to my point. Sasuke would only harm said people when they're in his way of his goals. If one of his goals as village leader is to protect them then such things aren't likely to happen.

    It does show that he cares enough about her to apologize. Something that no one else in the series can lay claim to. If he wronged you and you're anyone else then too bad. Get over it. He obviously cares about Karin to some extent.

    Believe what you will.

    And you're ignoring that Sasuke's mind is altered while under the effects of the CS(which he was using when he stabbed Naruto).

    Yes, because Naruto wasn't using potentially lethal attacks as well. Sasuke should have just stood there and let Naruto beat him senseless according to you.

    It would have taken almost no effort for Sasuke to finish Naruto off and gain the MS. Saying he was tired and drained is just an excuse to ignore that at the end of the day he decided against killing his closest person for power so your point about him doing that is moot.

    The decision worked out wonderfully for Sasuke actually. He became an excellent ninja under Orochimaru, gained intel on people he could use to make his own team, and managed to kill Orochimaru and so avoid having his body taken.

    Itachi intentionally drove him to the point where Orochimaru was released. Thus it's an artificial situation rather than something that's likely to happen naturally.

    Naruto's the only one of those guys that was Sasuke's friend. Sasuke not caring about people he doesn't care about is a useless point. I don't recall arguing that Sasuke was a nice person. Also Konoha was still trying to capture Sasuke after Orochimaru was dead when there's no clear "for his own good" to back it up.

    Willful blindness? It's amusing how you are constantly using strawman arguments and dramatically bringing up irrelevant things while ignoring my actual points then talk about willful blindness. Afrojack at least stayed on topic and didn't feel the need for constant childish insults. We're not arguing about how nice Sasuke is.
    Talk about willful blindness. Sasuke's body reacted on its own because he cared about Naruto and didn't want to see him die in front of him. The significance is referenced in recent chapters when Naruto does the same for Kakashi and Sakura.
     
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  6. Darth Disaster

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    Sasuke's goal as Village leader wouldn't be to protect the people. It'd be to protect the 'village'. The same asstarded reasoning that Danzo used. We all know how that turned out for the Uchiha Clan.

    And we have no guarantee that would remain his goal. He's shown a frightening capability to switch philosophies and desires at the drop of a single long talk. Naruto, at least, is consistent and trustworthy. The only people who trust Sasuke are people enamored with his bad-boy attitude and the Sharingan.

    Yeah? That still doesn't forgive his actions. A sad little apology doesn't make up for betrayal most foul. Despite Karin being nothing but a massive insult to Naruto as a character, the rest of us see him for what he is.

    Untrustworthy.

    Blah blah blah let me forget that Sasuke made the decision to kill Naruto while he wasn't using the Cursed Seal at all, wasn't even using it when he came his closest, and only used the Cursed Seal to back up his actions.

    Sasuke isn't using the Cursed Seal when he tells Naruto he's going to kill him BECAUSE he is his closest friend. Sasuke isn't using the Cursed Seal when he shoves a freaking Chidori through Naruto's chest.

    Sasuke is a terrible person.

    There is a difference between potentially lethal attacks and attacks whose only purpose is lethality. The Rasengan can be used to stun. The Chidori can only do lethal damage.

    And yes, he should have, but then I never agreed with a single moment of his reasoning at any point in the series except for 'I have to kill my brother'. And even that he accomplished only because his brother wanted him to do it.

    No, I'm saying that he changed his mind when he was in a drained state. My point isn't moot in the slightest because Sasuke would have happily killed Naruto. You have yet to address the Chidori Through The Chest or Massive Fire Dragon.

    Hmm, I wonder why? Is it because you don't want to admit he's a vicious, cold, ruthless, uncaring bastard who betrays people at the drop of a slightly angsty hat?

    Excellent ninja, sure. Useful people. Sure. Managed to kill Orochimaru? LULZ.

    Oro has been shown to be basically immortal, Sasuke needed saving from Oro and Itachi was the one to do it.

    Because Itachi knew that otherwise Orochimaru would have overtaken him. If Oro hadn't been there Itachi probably would have just forehead poked him again and smacked him down. Sasuke wasn't ready for that fight and Itachi knew it. But instead of letting his foolish little brother reap his own rewards, he sacrificed himself to save Sasuke from his own fuckups.

    Just because you're too blind to see the fact that Konoha Nin are loyal (something Sasuke is not) doesn't change the fact that they are. Even to the point of ridiculousness.

    Strawman arguments? No, these are facts. And part of how 'nice' a person Sasuke is a part of how Good a person he is. My entire point is that he's a terrible, horrid, vicious little cunt. Not that I want him to be a sugarplum fairy. There is a world of difference in between the two.

    I don't want him to walk around handing out hugs and kisses and declaring his undying love for everyone who so much as smiles his way, but I wan't him to acknowledge that other people besides him and his pursuit of power matter.

    Wrong, so wrong.

    "I don't know why... I hated you."

    Sasuke isn't happy he saved Naruto in his last moments, he's sad he's wasting his life to save someone he despises. He says it himself. Somehow I doubt he had the presence of mind and motivation to be a ruthless cock as he was lying on what was, essentially, his deathbed.

    He was being honest. He didn't know why he did it and he hated Naruto.

    You're just too enamored with him to see how much of an absolutely terrible person he is in nearly every fashion.
     
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  7. Vincent

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    You do realize that's a baseless opinion right? Sasuke stated that his reason for wanted to lead the village was to prevent what happened to him from happening again. Also it was Hashirama's ideology of protecting the kids from war that changed his mind. That shows more of a focus on the people than the idea of the village.

    Sasuke's desire has largely remained the same throughout the series. He's wanted to avenge his clan and pursued that with a single-minded determination. Once he found out that Itachi wasn't really the one he should have been targeting the focus of his revenge switched not his goal. His goal only just changed when he decided to protect the village.
    Betrayal most foul? lol. What is up with your over the top dramatics? Anyway it shows that Sasuke doesn't just care about himself. That was my point.

    More willful blindness huh? Did you not just see me say he was using the CS when he stabbed Naruto?
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-232-24/naruto/chapter-227.html
    Yeah, Sasuke's clearly not using the Cursed Seal.

    The Rasengan causes massive internal damage. That's quite a bit more than stunning someone. And I was referring to you complaining about his Katon.

    Nice of you to admit you're unreasonable.


    I have addressed the chidori through the chest and the fire dragon. You seemed to have ignored and misunderstood me respectively. Saying Sasuke would have happily killed Naruto is pretty moot as he didn't when he had the best chance. When Naruto was defenseless. Actions speak louder than words. He let Naruto live.

    Sasuke mastered his sharingan to the level that he could influence the Kyuubi with 3 tomoe, learned boss level summoning jutsu, mastered a form of senjutsu, learned genjutsu, mastered two elements, mastered kenjutsu, became immune to common poisons, seems to have dabbled in fuinjutsu, and became a mid to high jounin level shinobi under Orochimaru. What have his peers who remained in Konoha done in the same time period? Become chuunin level shinobi with Neji reaching low jounin level.

    Sasuke would have had Orochimaru suppressed for ages had Itachi not intentionally forced the situation.
    I doubt it. Sasuke survived his fight with Deidara just fine without Orochimaru popping up. Orochimaru was suppressed. Sasuke had it well in hand before Itachi pushed him like he did. Itachi's dying wasn't something spontaneous and it wasn't done to save Sasuke. It was part of his plan. If Itachi had waited too much longer then his condition would have continued to deteriorate and he likely wouldn't have been able to push Sasuke to that level.
    It's not loyalty when you're doing something for your own interests and not that of the other person's.

    Yes, you claiming that I think that Sasuke can do no wrong and pointing out his being a douche to prove it is a strawman argument as that has nothing to do my points. As I said we're not talking about if Sasuke's a good person. I've mentioned it before but I don't care if he's a good person. I would only care if he's a good person if he's claiming that he is. If he was claiming that his actions are for the good of the world like Obito and Nagato. Since he's not then it's irrelevant to me. You don't need to be a good person to lead.

    They matter if they stay out of his way. Assuming he cares about them in the first place that is.

    Note that hated is past tense. As in he no longer does. The arc showed Naruto and Sasuke growing as teammates and ends with Sasuke sacrificing himself for Naruto. Kishi even goes out of his way to make a page of Naruto/Sasuke interactions to hammer it home.

    lol. The mental gymnastics you must put yourself through to avoid acknowledging the clear fact that Sasuke cared about Naruto must be gold medal worthy. Sasuke would not have had any impulses to protect Naruto if he didn't care about him. Just like Sasuke's body doesn't move to protect Sakura and Kakashi while Naruto's does. It's not a matter of training.
     
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    Meh. Sasuke bit the bullet once for Naruto during Wave, and tried to during Gaara's freakout in part one. He obviously cared about him. (No homo)
     
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    Kishi is shipping NaruSasu tho. And he just might do it.
     
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    Sasuke would be terrible Hokage. I mean when did he ever do anything by himself? He is always pushed one direction or other by other people? First it was Itachi then Orochimaru then Tobi and last by Hashimara. Mind of steel he has not.

    He would probably run the Konoha to ground. I mean leting 4 people take advantage of him one after another looks bad. Who says He won't be taken advantage as Hokage too?

    Naruto? He would smack down anyone who presumed to tell him what to do.
     
  11. gullibleoats

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    I get the Sasuke hate somewhat but I think he'd also make a good Hokage. The thing about Sasuke is when he gets new information he acts on it as quickly as possible. He positions himself against an enemy and makes sure nothing can stop him from achieving his goals.

    The schizophrenia and craziness you attribute to Sasuke isn't really his fault. I know all of you keep demanding he rise above every torment and obstacle and also deal with severe punishment for every wrong action he ever did but come on...

    Let's start with genin Sasuke. He's talented, he's not petty - i.e. he doesn't beat down what was then an annoying little baselessly confident shit, Naruto, or the borderline stalker Sakura - he's relatively normal for what you'd expect from the incentive system of the ninja world (compassionate enough not to leave behind teammates when shit goes down but ruthless enough to kill when needed). This is all coupled with a massive amount of mental trauma, isolation, and stigma from his clan which he endured from age 8 to 12. He was friendless, partly by choice and partly because there weren't any 12 year olds suitable to befriend a mentally unstable revenge driven genius, who is haunted every day by the memory of the person he loved most slaughtering every important person who was in his life.

    Yet, he works hard, he doesn't let the massacre bother him too much, and he even starts opening up to his team. Sasuke constantly puts himself on the line before anyone else when there's danger. When the mercenaries in Wave showed up, he dealt with them before Naruto and Sakura could get hurt. When Haku showed up, he put himself before Naruto and got skewered. When Gaara tried to kill Sakura, he again charged straight for an unbelievably powerful monster. When he heard Itachi was about to kidnap his now closest friend, he confronted his fear knowing full well he wasn't powerful enough and RAN to SAVE NARUTO. Even at the most crucial moment of his betrayal, he LEFT NARUTO ALIVE.

    This is a guy who has felt powerless his whole life. And at every turn he ever had to prove that he could save his family and friends and stop the same massacre from happening, he failed. He failed each time. Naruto saves the day. But Naruto doesn't work as hard as Sasuke. Naruto isn't as gifted as Sasuke. It doesn't make any sense why Naruto has power and Sasuke doesn't. Sasuke cares just as much, hurts just as much, and is just as lonely.

    So when an offer comes from Orochimaru to help him finally take control, he joins up. Because ultimately, what could be worse than being powerless again? He doesn't see any other option and just based on the shit storms they are constantly thrown into, he knows Kakashi isn't enough to help him.

    Sasuke's smart enough to know Orochimaru is batshit insane and has devious designs for him but he goes anyway. That's equal parts bravery and desperation. Even then, the dude becomes powerful enough so that he doesn't lose to Orochimaru. He remembers a shit ton of people who are held captive, and he frees them. Of course he wants a team, but this is a dude content to go on his own. Sasuke doesn't lack independence.

    Now it's time for some closure and he tries to end his brother. Greater mindfuck ensues. Apparently, the past 7 or 8 years of his life was a lie. His brother was apparently a martyr who let his brother kill him. Again major mindfuck. Itachi has apparently been looking out for him this whole time. AND THEN HE GIVES HIM HIS EYES.

    First thing, Sasuke thinks is: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. How can there be a world where this kind of shit happens? Everything is mired in hypocrisy and espionage. And no matter what he does. Literally anything he does turns to absolute shit. Sasuke is looking for something or someone to blame.

    So first he kills Danzo. And then he wants to burn Konoha. Which makes sense, ninjas are entirely fucked up paradoxical creatures. You think they're all rays and sunshine because of Sarutobi, Jiraiya, and Naruto but the truth of it is every single person who has ever been like Naruto, who wanted to save rather than kill, talk rather than fight, heal rather than bleed, ends up dead, jaded, useless or evil.

    Jiraiya's just a wandering pornography artist. Sarutobi's has killed more than his fair share and now we know wiped out an entire clan. Minato slaughtered countless Iwa. Tsunade's a raging drunk and gambler. Everyone close to Nagato died or got fucked up.

    Everyone else is evil as shit. All of them are killers who go on assassination missions at night and smile at Teuchi, the ramen guy, the next morning.

    The reason why Naruto is the chosen one is because he succeeds where everyone else has failed. Dude, despite all odds, actually makes compassion work. And he's not dead. That's groundbreaking shit.

    Meanwhile, Sasuke, who's got the pedigree, the talent, and the determination to actually fix things is winding up in all these scrapes against Deidara, the Kage council, etc, and barely getting out of each one alive. Sasuke can't fucking win no matter what he does. Nothing he can do changes anything.

    Meanwhile, he struggles to understand whether he should be more like Itachi or less. And he's got his same eyes with his same powers. Imagine having your brother's eyes in your head after finding out that your brother who had killed your entire family actually did it under orders of the Village you used to love, and that your brother then lets you kill him because he's terminally ill and wants you to have the Mangekyo Sharingan and then take his eyes so that you can upgrade. This after hating him for 8 years. Giving up everything to chase him and find closure.

    So now, he realizes there's clearly something wrong with the system. But shit I can't destroy Konoha, nobody, even my deceased brother, is giving me any answers or direction. Guess that means I have to be Hokage and change from within.

    Nobody trusts him. No one does. Sakura, his staunchest fan-girl, doesn't trust him. Only Naruto does.

    Naruto is the only person who understands Sasuke. And everything Naruto touches somehow works out, that's why he thinks he can save him. Naruto also knows that in another world he would have been exactly like Sasuke.

    So what does this all actually mean. Sasuke is a failure, who despite what all of you think actually cares a lot, has been constantly mindfucked, but is at heart actually a good guy trapped in an increasingly nonsensical world. Doesn't mean he never makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are really quite fucked up. But this is a world where people kill each other, kill civilians for a living.

    What Sasuke has going for him: single-minded determination, a shit ton of talent, his own kind of charisma, strategic intelligence, and he clearly sees what's wrong with the world.

    Why Naruto will be Hokage over him: he succeeds. That's it. What Naruto has over Sasuke is that whereas Sasuke always fails, Naruto never loses.

    TL:DR -- Sasuke has undergone a lot of character development. He'd make a good Hokage. Most of his fuckups are really because of his environment.
     
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    He would not make a good Hokage because of one reason he abandoned the village. No matter what he still did it. There will always be distrust of its citizens unless he like sacrifices himself to save the village or something.


    Edit: I'm really sorry this looks like some weird etch a sketchy, my writing detiorates really badly when I try typing on a kindle and I don't watch myself
     
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    Both Sasuke and Naruto suck at being a Kage. Naruto is too brain damaged and Sasuke is too much of a cunt. :fire

    Kakashi for Hokage!! :awesome
     
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    Good post man, you had me going with you up until this bullshit. I actually felt some sympathy for the way you painted his(Sasuke) character. But then you go off and completely dismiss Naruto's entire life story with one single minded statement.

    I've given my thoughts on why Naruto will make the better Hokage. I'll reiterate briefly: Naruto has charisma of his own. He's grown from the obnoxious brat that everyone and their grandmother hated to a man the village can actually believe in and come to rely upon when the shit hits the fan, just like his father, Minato, carried the hopes and trust of the village when the Kyuubi attacked it.

    Naruto earned the goodwill of the people, time after time, and proved he wanted to protect them even after all the vitriol they spewed on him for about eight or nine years.

    Sasuke's growth as a character has been in a psychopathic spiral. Yes, pre-Part II, he was on the way to being a good guy despite his issues with Itachi and his clan, as you mentioned with the Wave Arc etc etc - and it was Orochimaru that started the train to madness with that Curse Seal, rather than Sasuke deciding completely on his own to go batshit insane.

    But since that point Sasuke has lost all emphatic understanding. Once he got a taste of power he just kept craving more, and that does not equal a good leader, given his tendency to be All or Nothing with his judgment of a person's value.
     
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    I have an almost equally long post on why Naruto would be a good Hokage a few pages back. No need to reiterate.

    But essentially I see almost an equal value of character between Naruto and Sasuke, based on their respective environments. Naruto is a very developed character but a large portion of that development is his ability to make the impossible possible.

    Naruto has constantly dealt with failure and rejection, but he deals with it immaturely. Were he, like Sasuke, to constantly fail when it counts, I believe he'd turn out vastly different.

    Part I Naruto is a brat, who looks for acceptance and recognition through public defacement, pranks, and boisterousness. It's painfully easy to see how broken this kid is. The evolution of his character into someone admirable doesn't really begin until he realizes that rather than fight for acknowledgement he should fight for love.

    This couples with the unlocking of his potential, which is seen starkly in his numerous victories. He starts off equaling Sasuke's progress with tree walking, which is only possible through his enormous stamina. He then beats Haku, Neji, pushes back Orochimaru, defeats Gaara, and so on so forth.

    Naruto starts off fixing his problems by beating them up. For the most part he succeeds. That builds his faked confidence into something genuine. Naruto really then believes it's all about guts as opposed to before where he needed to act out irrationally and annoyingly for people to acknowledge the truth he didn't believe.

    With his convincing Tsunade and going on that Jiraiya trip, his persuasion and combat skills get taken up a notch. Naruto receives favorable training often, mostly because of the beast inside of him, but also because of his charisma and personal connections. Inevitably, people are always swayed by his success because it is put in great contrast against his backstory and premise -- that he sucks ass. This is typical in any shonen literature. It's by far my favorite trope.

    That's the crux of Naruto. He really only loses twice: his failure to convince Sasuke, but even that is being amended, and Jiraiya's death.

    It's only in Part II that Naruto realizes that there are some things even he cannot change and that even if he does everything right, bad things can still happen.

    Still, even when his village is destroyed by the second coming of God, and even his other mentor, Kakashi, is killed everything turns out alright. Somehow, Naruto convinces Nagato through a combination of sheer force and his instinctive mental fuckery [this is his uncanny resemblance to people the antagonists love, either themselves or close people, etc.].

    People start to believe this man is the savior. Kakashi starts to see his mentor, the supposedly most accomplished shinobi the Leaf has ever produced, in Naruto. Everyone starts seeing visions of equally great people in Naruto.

    And the reason that is so isn't just because of hardwork, inspiring speeches, or likability. If that were so, countless of people would look at Might Guy or Rock Lee in the same way. They're both eccentric, loud, powerful, and determined. Naruto wears a distinctive orange and is very physical. He also turns off most conventional women.

    He is admired because he wins against all odds. That is why I say, he has that over Sasuke, and why he's the best candidate. Naruto just succeeds where others have failed.

    It's not a shallow analysis, it's the fundamental structure of his being. Naruto wins where others have lost. Naruto changes where others have remained stagnant. Naruto never flags.

    He's an absolute monster who doesn't tire, who has a near limitless supply of chakra and destructive power, who makes friends faster than he makes enemies. He does all of this without alienating anyone he can't afford to lose.

    But the reason why he can push forward like this is because he has those qualities, because he knows that if he keeps going he'll succeed. Sasuke on the other hand has no such assurances.

    His assurance is that despite his gifts, despite all the help he's sold his soul to have, he will still lose. Deep down he knows he has never won when it counted.

    He couldn't save his parents. He has never bested his brother. He has bested Naruto once, which I think he realizes is the case because Naruto pulled back. He hasn't really killed Orochimaru. He barely survived Deidara. He couldn't do shit at the Kage council. A is still up and running. He couldn't capture Killer B. He couldn't kill his brother, not without help.

    His achievement is killing an 80 year old hybrid monster cripple, Danzo. And in the aftermath he was going blind.

    People think Sasuke's a mary-sue. In reality, shit just keeps piling on his plate. The only reason he survives is because of his innate genius and his utter grit. That's a quality Naruto and he share. That's a quality that any leader would kill to have.

    Sasuke keeps on going. Unlike Naruto, he changes his approach as well. Things don't work for him so he has to keep trying new things. Konoha doesn't work - he needs to leave. Orochimaru doesn't work - he forms his own team. Elemental jutsu doesn't work - he relies on sharingan. Mangekyo is not enough - he uses eternal sharingan. Razing Konoha doesn't work - become Hokage.

    He has an insane amount of determination. He's not afraid of looking like a fool or failure. He's willing to try anything. He's willing to go back to Konoha and become its leader when everyone except Naruto wants him dead.

    If Sasuke wants to save a village, he will do absolutely anything. Absolutely fucking anything to do it. That's why he'd be a good Hokage. If his mind and heart say it's right, he'll fucking do it. He'll compromise morals. He'll compromise health. He'll jump in front of his annoying teammate. He'll kill his loyal teammate.

    Sasuke will kill himself to get shit done. The difference is the Universe doesn't respect that effort like it does with Naruto. He's also easier to kill than Naruto. He's also less likable. But he's a hard man and I admire the shit out of him.
     
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    Even the guys who support Sasuke put in words like "he messes up because of his environment" Or "its how he grew up" or "he changes when he hears other's opinion" or "as long as his goals align with the village"

    All the words you dont want to hear in a leader. You want someone decisive, powerful, charismatic and most importantly who has a goal that is more for the village than personal. Sasuke's environment hasn't changed. He still has the trauma over witnessing the massacre. He is not charismatic and would rather turn to violence. Naruto would be the leader and inspire the beast out of people. Tactical advice from Shikamaru and hits (when needed) from Sasuke.
     
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    You guys are just jealous that Sasuke will inherit the DDR fighting style from Madara, whilst Naruto is left with nothing
     
  18. Vincent

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    Itachi certainly took advantage of Sasuke but the rest of those are iffy. If anything Sasuke took advantage of Orochimaru. and this is after Orochimaru stuck a mind altering seal on him. He used him to get stronger and then got rid of him. Obito and Hashirama put the facts in front of Sasuke and hoped that they would make Sasuke join them. Sure Obito did do some lying about his own involvement in things but for the most part told the truth. I believe Obito even says that he was taking a gamble with Sasuke because he didn't know if he'd follow Itachi's wishes or try to destroy Konoha. Also Obito's plan for Sasuke was for him to awaken the Rinnegan and bring Madara back to life. A potential replacement for Nagato. In this he clearly failed to get Sasuke to do what he wanted.
     
  19. Hachi

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    'Changing when hearing an opinion' merely means Sasuke's not overly stubborn and adapts to new situations.
    It's also a good quality for leaders, just saiyan.

    Anyways, I don't even know why people are arguing about this. Naruto would be better suited than Sasuke for the simple reason that he's both the carrot and the stick (Talk no jutsu/Powerful enough to raze a Hidden Village). And he would ensure peace in the Elemental Nations. At least for a while.

    Sasuke would be unable to do that. He may be smarter than Naruto and the closest to him in terms of raw power, but he also sucks at diplomacy. There's also the fact that's he's a traitor. He had his motives, and they made sense in a warped kind of way, but people tend to not trust traitors for good reason. An ex missing-nin Kage, lolwut.

    With him at the lead, the Hidden Villages would probably squabble between themselves like before. He'd make a decent Hokage in times of war (as he's a guy who gets things done and isn't afraid of making hard choices), nothing more. But this Manga is not about war, and more about what can bring peace to people who have continuously fought each other for decades.

    Ergo, Naruto is the logical choice. At least in the Manga. Plus, he's, you know the protagonist. :sherlock:


    Edit : hmm. Shouldn't post after drinking so much, it sounded way better in my head.
     
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  20. Vincent

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    It wasn't really an argument about Sasuke vs Naruto so much as could Sasuke be a good leader at all.
     
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