I mean, considering how many scum games I played in a row, it'd be kinda sad if I could only do one thing over and over.

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9 to Lynch with 16 alive unless I miscounted

 

What would be sad is if a "scum!me couldn't possibly be this bad" defense would change my mind.

Given that your fight with fontisian was apparently farcical, real reads would be nice.

Even nicer would be for you to tell me what exactly the qualitative difference between fontisian's walls is that made you do an 180.

 

If I ever get the thought to do another readwall, shoot me. Please. It's been 3 hours since I started this damn post and I've still got another entry to go. Ugh.

 

You can do it, Aekiel! I believe that you will win.

 

Agreed, this looks like a backpedal on Citrus' part, which is doing nothing to dissuade me from thinking him scum.

Also, he hasn't answered my question yet.

Either way I'm going to post the read of my reads now.

Town
Aekiel

Fontisian - I like the way she's scumhunting and her posts are logical to me, though she has done things I've disagreed with I think she's coming at them from a town point of view.

Blab - I take back what I said about him earlier. He's following up and is posting very good reads. I especially like his townblock disruption thing that he brought up with Rubicon; it suggests he's looking at the motivations behind peoples' posts very heavily and then thinking of ways to use it for more scumhunting.

Rubicon - I don't think I've read a post of Rubicon's that I haven't liked in one way or another (fluff posts aside). Nothing has pointed to him having a scum mindset and plenty of posts have suggested that he's making connections between people based on their own mindsets. That's town thinking right there.

Null-Town
TerRaine - I like the scumhunting and poking at holes in arguments and being generally decent. Needs more activity though.

Doctor Whooves - Being open and honest and going into extreme detail for trivial questions is not something I see scum do often. Reads like a somewhat experienced town player experimenting with different techniques for dealing with pressure. Latest posts are a bit odd though, which may bump him down a bit.

Null
Powerofdeath - Needs more activity.

Atum - As I said in #250 he reads decently, but asking about himself is just plain weird so I can't really justify bumping him in either direction based on that. Latest posts are interesting, but don't seem to be leading anywhere. There's a little bit of pressure on a few people, but I'm not seeing any follow up or any sign of him taking the responses into consideration for later questions. The colour coding gives a hint in that direction, but I really don't have the time to go through his posts for changes every time he makes a new one.

Zenzao - Latests posts have gone a ways to negating my initial newbie-scum read on him, especially after it became apparent that he was taking the pressure a bit too personally. Judgement is still out on whether he is town or scum though; I'm leaning more towards frustrated town now though.

Null-Scum
Titus - I have a slight town read here, but it's a dubious one. On the one hand, scumhunting and a decent insight into a possible Citrus/MathBlade scum team. On the other she's got some pretty funky interactions with Citrus going against her so it's possible she's seen the wagon forming and has decided to shut the doors and not pick up any passengers on her bus.

Kalas - I don't like the buddying he's trying to pull on me. I don't like the way he's using other peoples' arguments as his own and avoiding scumhunting beyond one or two people (MathBlade and Zenzao, who were both easy targets). Haven't spotted any interactions that put him in a scum team yet though, which is why he's only null scum.

Lyrium - Moderate null read except for #301 where she assumes there is a four man scum team. Might just be because of the size of the game, but the assumption is still there. Otherwise I'm having real trouble telling the difference between the fluff parts of her posts and the content.

Sloth - I don't like his readwall. Specifically I don't like the town!Lyrium world he's looking at right now because he has her as town then goes on to list several reasons why she's not. I think it's either because he skimmed most of the thread or because they're scumbuddies. Can't decide which right now.

Scum
Snowvon - I have Snowvon and Titus down as unaligned pairs due to interactions in relation to Citrus and MathBlade. I think it likely that if one of these is scum, the other isn't (or is third party). I consider Von to be the more likely scum at this juncture though, due to way he's basically done nothing for half the game, asked random questions with no follow up then seemed to start bussing Citrus once the heat started up on him while trying to draw attention back to the wagon on me.

Citrus - Is scum and other people have noted why at length.

Third Party
MathBlade - I'm sticking her in here for now because I'm not sure on whether Titus is right or not.

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Fuck it. Done. I'm grabbing a beer.

 

@Citrus: Going to provide the evidence you promised in shiny red text??

Random question: Who wants to be a Colonel?

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Damn!!! That is shiny!!

*tosses you a Bud Light using the change from the $20 Snowvon gave her. *

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@Lexi Vote Count please

 

I'll be a colonel.

 

@Aekiel:

Assuming fontisian!town Citrus!scum, what's your take on the situation where Citrus accuses fontisian of buddying Snowvon?
(regarding Snowvon's alignment?)

 

Blab, Can you read my posts? I explained Aekiel town to Citrus.

Akiel, All I am seeing from Fonti is Citrus tunnelling. I am pretty confident Citrus is town. Your read on Fonti makes no sense to me. Blab and Mathblade are actively working to try and stop me from getting townreads to work together.

I like Atum move more townie. His vote on Lyrium screams town. It's aggrandizing and machismo which is not scum atm.



@Mathblade, I like my job thank you.

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Lol. Leading Aekiel to Citrus scum. Don't act like I am blind. Stop trying to force lynches and acting like a pissant when someone insists the game is more than mislynching town Citrus.

 

Just realised that I've been viewing Citrus' latest posts through the lens of scum getting desperate, which may have coloured my readings some.

That said, I'd say it has little relation due to probable scum decision to distance themselves from each other. I've already mentioned that I think Snowvon is bussing Citrus; this would just be an extension of that.

 

Since we are doing the asdumr game asdume Citrus is town. Then asdume Fonti and Citrud are both town. How does that change things?

 

Check the wall, your interaction with Citrus is partly why I'm having trouble with you because I have a scumread on him.

I think you'll notice I was there before he posted.

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Assuming Font and Citrus are town, Lyrium and Sloth jump higher on the list of possible scum, Kalas is also a major contender here.

Rubicon jumps from top of the town list to null-scum in this instance as well, which would lead me to a potential Lyrium/Rubicon/Kalas and/or Sloth team.

MathBlade is, as always, a potential scum especially because Titus gets bumped up into null/null-town territory.

 

Semi-Official Vote Count 2 (as in, I have enough info from Lexi for this to be legit)

[6] Citrus ~ Lyrium, fontisian, Blab, Aekiel, Rubicon, Doctor Whooves
[4] Aekiel ~ Snowvon, TerRaine, MathBlade, Sloth
[1] fontisian ~ powerofdeath
[1] Sloth ~ Citrus
[1] Lyrium ~ Atum

[3] Not Voting ~ Kalas, Titus, Zenzao

Day 1 will end September 26th, 10 PM EST.

 

Lulz, if you think Atum was pressuring me with that...Titus honey you're both going to have to try harder. I found it mildly amusing. If I were scum I might actually feel panic but right now I feel like a spectator trying to figure out who is holding a little dagger in their side pockets, next to their perfectly folded handkerchiefs.

Aekiel, I agree with you on Sloth's weird read wall re: me but I haven't had a chance to break it down. If Sloth is scum I will probably die first. On fluff vs. content, yeah but that doesn't necessarily make me scum.

Re: Snowvon, I feel that the /10townies thing has only been used by a town Snow so far and also as a scum Snowvon is more "providing analysis and content and trying to lead town" (gribbly) vs. town PuffCloud who is made of cotton candy.

Titus has something off going on, almost jumping the gun to defend Atum's not very strong post. One okay post is not enough to "clear" or "strong" read someone. Then, she did a 180 on MathBlade from the beginning to her current stance.

On MathBlade, I would prefer she not be murdered anytime soon...this is the first game where up to this point we are still both alive. Yay (knock on wood or lacquer or whatever).

Rubicon is the reason I haven't yet asked the question, "Are you scum? Respond in one sentence, no caveats, just simply state "Yes, I am scum" Or "No, I am town." See, scum!Titus answered that question in a sideways way that gave her a way out vs. Rubicon who just made me feel sad inside. So Rubicon, are you scum? Respond in one sentence, no caveats.

Others, as in Citrus. Remember that game we were in where the game ended because the new dude like mistakenly broke the rules and it was sort of a scum victory anyway...was Citrus mislynched in that game? More HW...eff.

ALSO>>>> HI DELPHINE>>>> LONG TIME NO SEE>>>>

 

You're rocking out the exaggeration on this aren’t you? Who said WOW? I said it’s a townish read and for reasons unknown you see "OMG TOTAL TOWNZ."

Okay so I'm suspicious for getting a slight town read on someone at least 4 or 5 other players are getting too because I'm new. That's not stupid reasoning at all.

Again you are just making shit up to suit yourself. Nowhere EVER in these posts did I clear Fonti. I said townish for now...same as I did for Rubicon. There were 4 reads in total in that post. Rest of my reads are below.


TerRaine - Town

Rubicon - I actually like Rubicon's gambit on ZZ. His sarcasm was misread and after that there was already pressure going strong from Fonti's side which would get one reaction out of ZZ. By rolling with the misread Rubicon can be seen as coming in as an "ally" so he is able to get another type of reaction. I could be wrong (and frankly I'm just too fucking tired right now to look it up) but didn't he pull the same thing towards the end of the werewolf game once or twice?

Dbl voter?

I see a lot of scum hunting and questions besides the above. He also doesn't shy away from questions being asked him or avoid answering like a lot of others seem to be doing. I do disagree on Snowscum read...I don’t remember him being Captain Scum hunt last time either.

Fontisian - Starts with a reasoned pressure wagon and attempted scum trap. She does jump around a bit on her starting votes which made me uneasy but I can trace the logic of it and I think it gave Citrus a lot of ground to misstep on. I do disagree on truth being default state and side with Rubicon. This early on you don't KNOW who town is. Lying can be an awesome gambit and I feel like fonti is a player with enough experience to see that which is why she’s not my TOP Town read. (it can also shoot you in the foot later on though.) I see where she's going with her response to Citrus’ assertions. More on that below.

As I read along I DO wish she'd couple her Citrus reads with some pressuring others.

Fonti! You call sloth out for posting stupid stuff. What in particular is bothering you with his reads?

Snowvon - ...I feel like I'm eating a jar of fluff...But I remember the last game it being covered that a fluffy Snow is a town snow...cept when Ika pesters then it’s a pissed off Snow. Not much relevant to game play until 219. A lot of self-depreciation in regards to his scum game but I again feel like that was going on during the werewolf game. Disagree with the idea of "protecting" MB (Sorry MB!) though I don't think she should be a focus by any means at this point.

Wish Fonti hadn't posted 273 before Snow answered Blab in 268.

Citrus clearly complained early on about not getting scum because he picked it. The Snow comes in claiming he probably isn’t scum because he's sick of it.
Blab's question to Snow is relevant because Snow's "sick of scum" comment makes it seems like he's not reading what Citrus is posting. After this point he seems to kick up the questions and scum hunting at least. Could be worried scum...but seems to be more a townie realizing he needs to pick up the pace.

Snow! 309 you have a bunch of maybes...any change in those? Any leans?

Blab - Seeing some pressure on Whooves but not sure I agree with "Covering all bases" as scummy in every case. Trying to answer a question with as much detail as you can to me would leave LESS room for doubt. Scum would probably try and say as little as possible so as to leave less room for error. His reads in 257 make sense to me even I don't necessarily agree with them all I can see how he got there. Asking lots of scum hunting questions using his/others past experiences.

Sloth - ...you're killing me Smalls. It's hard to read you when you're not posting as much. Which I'd say is a ploy but then I'd feel like a dick because I do know you're busy. I'll go with what I have.

Not sure I agree on some of his wall but I get how he gets from point A to point B. Not as aggressive in his first vote like he was when he was scumwolf last game. That's what tipped me off to him before I backed out. He provides a lot more thought and reasoning to his votes (which he did here) when he's Town. Seems to be getting his reads tracked out. I'd like to see more/some scum hunting from his ends of things and not just vote pressure.

Sloth...nope...no ignoring that. What's your opinion on Citrus' sudden Fontitown flip since you have Fonti as a possible scum?

Atum - Defending Snowvon in 216. Not sure why. Questions good but the defensiveness of the post seems off too me. He does seem to be good at responding to questions but not much else. Not avoiding being questioned but not putting himself out there either. Did anyone ever answer his 321 question? Seems to pick up on being more proactive by 338 and is asking questions and apply pressure. Need to see more though.

Atum! Explain the sudden Lyr vote?

Kalas - Anti Tunneling...don't see how this is a helpful stance. Controlled tunneling provides pressure info to get the ball rolling.

I see some pressure on ZZ but not much else. Claims his vote is uber important but should be using his time to press others while he waits.
Kalas! Opinions on players other than ZZ and MB? What's your thoughts on Whooves thus far?

Lyrium - Started off leaning more toward town ; Asking Scum hunting questions which is always a plus. But honestly her reasoning for finding me suspicious is composed of cherry picking and out and out fabrication. It’s a down played form of what Citrus is doing. I'm suspicious for getting the same read as others that she’s not concerned with simply because I don't have the same experience playing? It’s ridiculous reasoning.

Could be just looking to apply pressure to see how I react which is townish, but bluntly what your applying pressure with is god damned stupid. Siento que no lo siento.

Lyrium what's your Rubicon read?

Doctor Whooves - Interesting answer to Blabs NoPriorScum picking Scum question. I still feel covering all bases is not scummy…unless of course you’re scum which Hooves was crossing the border into in 171. He became way too defensive about this by reading this as a personal jab at him never having scum before. It’s bait and he took it.
He is answering questions and encouraging others to scum hunt. But I don’t want to see people telling people to scum hunt. SCUM HUNT YOURSELF. Would rather see pressures and questions coming from him than tips to other players.

Whooves why haven't you placed any votes yet? Are you going to start pressuring people soon? You are too passive.

Titus - Bit suspicious that she somehow missed noticed how long weeks were...and so drastically. I can buy not realizing this one isn’t a week long but where did 24 hours come up? Lots of fluff follows. Disagree whole heartedly with 87 on flavor not being claiming. Since flavors are from various characters in this set up roles/abilities/alignments could very well be VERY obvious in a mass flavor claim. So yes. Scummy move there.

Didn't get much play time with Titus last game but she seemed a lot more aggressive and focused then this. Don’t see much actual game play really til 207 where she answers Lyrium but even a lot of that is packed with...strange responses. Disagree with 349 a lot too. A survivor who has someone gunning for them most certainly would care if that person is lynched if they want to stay alive. Sorta neutral towards scum on titus. Need more.

Titus in 402 you leave several players out of your reads. Anything solid coming up for you yet on those maybes? Why so aggressive in werewolf and so lackadaisical here?

Zenzao - Post 307; really haven't don’t much to change my mind so far. Rage quit could have been genuine OR a means to get people off his case. Or if I want to go with a more out there theory in a bastard game could be part of a character flavor that could fall under scum or 3rd party ("Screw you guys....I'm going home.")

ZZ-What’s your take on MB?

Citrus - First vote on fonti to get the ball rolling between them in 137. Pot kettle moment on claiming she hasn't done anything and making claim that’s just not true (fonti started a wagon...she push on the biggest one opportunistically). His following posts are really tainted by this false assertion for me especially since he sticks to it even when there's proof that's not how it happened

Definitely can see this as I go through the game. Also interactions he does have with others (252) only come back to Fonti.

I...do not get the sudden change in 407. It makes my head hurt. Honestly seems like backing water to me than genuine reversal of attitude. You stuck with an assertion that was way too easy to prove false for too long for me to buy this as a gambit.

Aekiel - Post 307; …well read what other posters are saying and see WHY it doesn’t make sense. Instead of scum hunting, providing a half assed defense of himself, or even answering ANY of the questions people have left for him he jumps on a current bandwagon and parrots fonti the second he comes back.

“I don’t remember” is a bullshit answer when several people have pressured you for a scummy action.

A wall is not scum hunting. A wall’s a wall. You say your sure on Citrus…but don’t make any move to pressure or question your other scum reads. Vote stays.

MathBlade - 3rd party. Someone to watch but by no means a top list priority when we haven't even gotten through day 1 yet.

PowerofDeath - ...... *pokes with a stick* Do. Stuff.

 

TerRaine, I find it kind of funny to pressure you. I also don't know you from any game that I remember (or where I was alive long enough to remember) so it's a new element. Hello there. That said, my reasoning isn't bs. Buddying is a thing and if you have heard of the Great Fonti, then an ounce of caution is worth a pound of well... dying by fire.

So what I'm saying is if you're town (based on my personal experience as a sheep who ignores its instincts a lot and goes ba ba ba to the slaughterhouse) then keep track of Fonti. As a scum..well... idk...scums is bad...

Actually, now that I think about it...I don't get any "flavor" from Kalas. Who is Kalas, why is he?

Aekiel, I vaguely remember from Dresden where Titus basically forced town to kill scum. He's a flamingo or a knave. Not sure which yet.

My feeling on Rubicon is that if he is nice then he is more likely scum (this is the scary part). He can be more fun though to play with then some of the more SRS BZNS peoples.

Atum, Titus...bring the real pressure\tunneling...because I will haunt you like a shadow.

 

Yawn. Opportunistic scum-reads are opportunistic.

I think I feel like...claiming

 

Citrus, let's say you claim and it is proven that you are what you say you are...is Fonti scum? Or (the horror) is she just wrong about you?

 

I already said Fontisian is town. That's not going to change

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Fun crumbs - both Fontisian and Titus are correct

 

Oh good, the part of the game that stops making sense to me is finally here. I was getting worried.

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Ter, I'll talk to you when I'm not phoning. <3

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And Aekiel too, I guess.

ily Lyrium