the line where Sasuke said "I'm sure Itachi left me alone in the dark so I wouldn't learn to hate" (http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/694/5)...

/facepalm.

What's that exact quote that Itachi says to Sasuke?

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-230-5/naruto/chapter-225.html

goddamnit Sasuke/Itachi/Kishimoto, you guys are all fucking retarded.

 

Didn't Obito and Madara just prove he's correct when the five nations for the first time ever came together against a common threat?

 

Are you really that simple minded?

I'm not even going to bother.

 

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Zombie!Tobirama for Hokage.

 

I'm not saying its true or that it even makes sense. I was pointing out that Sasuke has an in world example of that particular ideology working out. No?

 

In which case, why does he need to do this at all? The world was just united.


At the very least wait and see what happens - if things stay united, the job is done. If they splinter again, then maybe you can destroy the separate governments and drive them to make a single one out of necessity.

But no, he's too busy prattling on about muh darkness/hatred/love/whateverthefuck.

 

If he thinks that's true, then he is the simple minded one.

But then, Kishi did say he is a very 'pure' person. So perhaps Sasuke is just a very simple minded person. He's a puppet to the ideology of others with no capacity to see past the faults or failures of a concept or philosophy.

 

I think he's planning to became Hokage and conquer the world. Then as world dictator all the grudges and hatred of the past will be lost and refocused on him. When he dies all that's left is his empire and people that have been living and working together for decades.

 

I don't get it. First he says, that Itachi would have been the perfect Hokage, because of the way he shouldered everyone's hatred and he wants to do the very same just on a bigger scale by killing/severing the past. So what's the point of erasing the past, when you're just going to repeat it? His whole motivation seems to be a contradiction, at least in my opinion.

His plan even sounds like dumber version of Nagato's, instead of focusing fear he's using hate.

 

I'm going with the Mangasteam translation. He says Itachi was the true Hokage because he protected the village from the shadows not caring what anyone thought of him.

I think the general idea is like in CK2 where you piss off all your vassals by changing all the inheritance laws before you die. Afterwards the hatred doesn't pass on to your heir.

Nagato's plan wasn't to change anything. He'd just nuke them wherever someone starts a war to make everyone fear war for a while. Sasuke's plan seems to be to become dictator, take over the world, and wipe out all the Danzo types. He'd draw everyone's hatred, all the old people with grudges towards each other will die off during his reign, and their descendants' grudges will be directed towards him. Once Sasuke dies the new generation has a fresh start without any of the old baggage.

 

So, Lelouch...without having taken the time to put down the infrastructure for a peaceful transfer of power after his death or giving the people a symbol to rally around (despite having one right in front of him, who he is current opposing) to prevent an immediate collapse.

 

He can hardly put down the infrastructure for transfer of power before starting.

 

The way I understood it, he is going to kill Naruto, the kages and I think the bijuu and then piss off, being the boogieman that unites the nations. With the older generation mostly dead, especially the power houses and people who were set on the previous ideology, like the tsuchikage and raikage, this will lead to a better era of cooperation against Sasuke.

He might make reappearances now and then, just to reaffirm that he still exists and that they should continue to work together. Traditional stuff. Perry Rhodan did it in 1961, Watchmen did it too. That's just the first two that came to my mind, probably other instances as well.

The fear will make them cooperate, fear of this battlestation!

So, yeah, didn't have the impression he was going to lead or rule over anything. He might just run around and kill those who follow the old ways. He is relatively young, he could keep up with that for a while, unless Rinnegan and Sharingan combo also granted some immortality or something, wouldn't surprise me in the least if it did, so, maybe even forever.

 

I get the impression that he was planning to rule by this. http://readms.com/r/naruto/694/2558/7 Him alone handing down judgement and punishment? Him unifying all the villages? Sounds like things he couldn't do as the boogieman.

 

Pretty confident with the current level of strength Sasuke has obtained his "plan" probably would work.

Sadly, the entire basis of his plan is ridiculously arrogant and foolish.

inb4 trump cards that weren't used against Kaguya for "reasons".

 

The problem with Sasuke's plan is that he wants to eliminate those who could even feasibly defeat him. Everyone is united because everyone thinks they had a chance to defeat Obito/Madara/Kaguya. Whether someone was for the status quo or liked the unification of the nations, it doesn't matter at the moment.

But if Sasuke wins, he'd create a new status quo that some people will want to maintain while others will want to change. It'll become a powder keg that will explode once Sasuke is gone.

The problem Sasuke has is that he thinks "the chain of hatred" is the only source of conflict. It is not.

 

Eh. Sasuke could probably become Immortal if he wanted. I mean he still has Orochimaru around to figure that out if his plan does work.

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/2i6hgr/why_sasuke_does_not_have_the_tsukuyomi/
Fuck your theory, Knight.

1. Inverted colors on Bee.
2. Inverted colors on Danzo's arm.

 

Telling it like it is, bro.

That Danzo example is pretty unreliable considering it took place in a dramatized exposition flashback. Everything else has been covered. Agree, disagree, whatever.

 

The manga seems to disagree.