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Plot Bunny Threa(t/d) IV

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  1. Rhaegar I

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    Is the Prophecy still around? Because if it is, wouldn't that just make Neville the Boy-Who-Lived? I think Dumbledore once said the Prophecy really could have applied to either Harry or Neville, but because Voldemort picked Harry he became the one the Prophecy refers to.

    In other words, this quickly becomes a "Neville is the Boy-Who-Lived" story with no Harry whatsoever and James and Lily still around.
     
  2. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    The Prophecy is presumably moved 20 years as well, just assume Trelawney tells it later.
     
  3. Rhaegar I

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    In that case...

    1. No Divination class at Hogwarts. Dumbledore only hired her because she had that one real Prophecy and she might have more later. Since as far as Dumbledore knows she's a 100% fraud, oh well.

    With that said, there is the question of how Dumbledore (or anyone important, for that matter) gets to hear it when she says it 20 years from now, but oh well.

    2. Snape is still on Voldemort's side, and not Dumbledore's spy. It also means that Snape is not hired as the Potions teacher, so either Slughorn will still be around or Dumbledore finds a new random teacher.

    3. There will be no Stone issue. Voldemort doesn't really need it, and even if he has a lackey get it, they will likely never get passed the Mirror. And either way, I wonder if Flamel would be will to trust the Stone in a war-zone of a country.

    4. I doubt Lucius will end up giving Ginny the Diary here, but if he does, Voldemort will immediately find something suspicious when he finds out the Chamber of Secrets is opened again. Man, would he be screwed.

    5. Assuming Crouch Jr. doesn't get caught, Crouch Sr. could very well become Minister. Which is both a good thing (since his Draconian policies, while harsh, are kind of neccessary in this War and with a pretty corrupt Ministry) and a bad thing (since Voldemort has easy access to the Minister via Crouch Jr.).

    6. How the ICW reacts to this could be interesting. They could very well start to view Voldemort as a risk to the Statute of Secrecy, and act.

    7. Even if Dumbledore never finds the Diary, he will probably eventually figure out Voldemort has horcruxes. He's been doing research on Voldemort's life for years, and will sooner or later find the Gaunt Shack. Which is admittedly a problem if he touches it, especially since he now has no Snape to help contain the Curse.
     
  4. Halt

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    I would further add on Rhaegar’s note by saying:

    1) Why did Lily and James wait so long to have a child? It could be for several reasons depending on what plot direction you want to take. They decided to put off marriage until they were older for reasons and used contraceptives during sex. They wanted to wait until the war was over, but after a particularly heated incident, they accidentally have one. You could also have them realize that the war would take too long (thus they get impatient).

    2) Where did Harry live? This depends on Dumbledore. Following Rhaegar’s logic, if we are to assume he picks up the ring then its bye bye Dumbledore at this point and you have a post war world with neither Voldemort nor Dumbledore. I would assume he’d be adopted by a relative (could be anyone given how interconnected purebloods are) or become a Ministry ward. If Dumbledore doesn’t, he would likely end up with the Dursleys and a far older Dudley who would likely not be living in the house. Either Vernon and Petunia take a chill pill and mellow out in their old age or, far more likely, become even more extreme in anti-magic sentiment.

    3) 20 more years of war, I still posit Voldemort would have won long ago. If he doesn’t, by some miracle, then we’d be seeing far reduced populations, possibly economic collapse and massive reforms in the government and wipe, sweeping changes in social structure. Impossible to predict so leave it to author discretion.

    4) It does bring up the question of whether they’d have enough of a population to sustain their community. I imagine that will be a big conflict, esp. if we go with JKR’s fail math figures.

    5) Depending on the complexity of your story, I believe international political structure will have to be given some thought. From canon, I have been left with the two alternatives. Either the international community is dead set on non-interference or Britain is powerful enough that other countries didn’t think to help them through the First War and was happy to let them run the ICW (British Supreme Mugwump) during and after such a costly war. (you could also go the route of Backwards!UK but I find most stories like this as autofails.)

    6) All characters can either be alive or dead. Easy way for author to kill off who they hate without appearing petty.

    7) Is Hogwarts still open? Perhaps they closed it due to the war and decided to ship all their children elsewhere for education? Perhaps Voldemort reopened the chamber so the Ministry would close Hogwarts and he could make it his new home. (*ring ring* Tom called, he wants his pet Basilisk back)

    8) Did Flamel destroy the stone? I doubt it. If we take Fanon and assume he’s in France, Voldemort would hardly involve another country against him in a war he has not won.

    Edit: Spelling mistakes :facepalm
     
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  5. Shouldabeenadog

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    Its not just Lily and James that are in the house that halloween night. Sirius is there too, visiting his godson. Voldemort attacks and still murderificates everyone, except harry, again, makes it through.
    So now you have pettrigrew free as a bird, with a friend named remus who is in shock and suffering. Voldemort, as far as everyone can tell, is dead. So...whats a rat to do?
     
  6. Odran

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    Why do you all presume that Harry would be their only/first child?
     
  7. Halt

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    Because it's easier to assume that then speculate on any number of his (potential) siblings. It would be fine if he had them for story purposes though.
     
  8. Andrela

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    Just thought of something really funny but also really silly.

    Sheldon Cooper attending Hogwarts. According to the show he was born in 1980 so he'd be able to attend with Harry and others and...

    *dodges arrow*

    Hold on! Guys, don't leave!

    ...guys?
     
  9. Rhaegar I

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    Someone already did this. It's called Methods of Rationality. :rolleyes:
     
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    To be fair, MoR's HP isn't on the same level of annoying as Sheldon Cooper.

    (It's much worse)
     
  11. Andrela

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    I'm willing to debate here. Compared to Methods!Harry, Sheldon is a respectable and likable human being.
     
  12. Rhaegar I

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    Alright, I'll take this seriously...

    1. You'll need a very good reason why a Texan would ever end up in Hogwarts in the first place. So for the sake of simplicity, I'll assume he was born and raised somewhere in England.

    2. According to Wikipedia, he was supposed to enter college at eleven. While that obviously isn't going to happen now, it should give you an idea how smart he really is at this point.

    3. How his religious mother reacts to Magic existing and her son a wizard would be fun.

    4. Odds are Sheldon figures something's up for a while via accidental magic. With any luck, he doesn't reveal it to the world and break the Statute before someone can explain Magic to him.

    5. He will obsessively do everything in his power to reconcile Magic and Science. He will inevitably fail, but it will still be fun.

    6. He'll end up in Ravenclaw, no questions asked.

    7. How exactly is he supposed to end up friends with Harry? Even if they sit together on the train, odds are he'll drive everyone insane pretty quickly. He and Hermione might become friends, but only might.
     
  13. Andrela

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    I didn't say he would end up friends with Harry, just that he'd attend the school in the same years Harry would.

    I doubt he'd become friends with Hermione. Sheldon is very arrogant and condescending, he'd probably insult her in some way.
     
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    Pretty sure he'll be friendless through all seven years.
     
  15. Newcomb

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    I'd definitely read a one-shot where he kills himself because magic doesn't make any sense and he has no friends. You know, but in a funny way.
     
  16. golan

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    Oh my goodness, more horribly depressing fanfics, as if e.g. the Pit of Voles wouldn't be full of it already.

    Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D using Tapatalk
     
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    Your autopost tapatalk thing is giving me lymphoma. Just sayin'.
     
  18. Rhaegar I

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    I would prefer to read about him spending seven years trying and failing to explain Magic, with the help of a Leonard-esque sidekick. Thanks to his intellect and unorthodoxy, he accidentally makes radically new discoveries that make him a celebrity in the Magical World (which he despises because he still can't make sense of how Magic works).

    In other words, a funny Methods of Rationality.
     
  19. Photon

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    Teah, it would be nice to read story like this - maybe some successes in creating some sort of theory, but with charcter fully aware that it is something like geocentrism.

    It sort of works but it is certainly not a true solution and one is not going to be discovered for centuries.

    I sort of hoped for something like that with HPMoR :(
     
  20. Skeletaure

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    Fic deconstructing the Veela bond trope, replacing "Veela" with "black girl".

    I think that quote alone demonstrates everything wrong with the Veela bond trope XD
     
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