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Oblivious people would just assume the Croc was blocked rather than the Croc deliberately not using something right now.

Considering the fast wagon on you, and what I've stated, concluding that Green Arrow or Batman came to the same conclusion and is tunnelling is not far off.

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This is a stall. Literally no one believes that was serious. Try to scumhunt please. That includes the alternative scenario analysis you are capable of.

 

Titus, again if I flip town will you lynch my scumspect?

Like to make a point, I will get run through with a sword or I guess committed to this asylum place where hopefully the Joker will play because he knows how to have fun.

 

I am scumhunting by noticing people's reactions to you. I think people think that was serious. *raises eyebrow*

Anywho I'm done for the night.

 

I'd strongly consider revising my read on TerRaine. I can't lynch someone alone though. I definitely could put pressure on her as revisiting my read.

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No you're really not. Otherwise, you would have noticed Rubicon pretty much stating that it was an obvious joke. :S

 

I'll be out soon too, Titus...hmmm...I thought you had my role down but now I'm unsure.

Why doesn't the quick votes on me imply oh I don't know scum capitalizing on what went on days end and days beginning?

I'm really only giving you my readwall once TerRaine responds to my points because that factors in greatly...to my next thoughts.

I don't get others town reads on her although I want to trust at least one of them.

 

Well on that note, I'll call it a night. Good night.

 

Tired. Not done yet. But I'll give what I have and continue later.

For the question of Snow

Snow votes Lyr; Snow unvotes Lyr and slots her as town

Votes Riley no reason; later brings up previous gameplay and says he will keep and eye on him. He does.

Some pressure to Atum and then presses Riley a bit more for his lack of content.

109 - He's also questioning Quank on his votes and his verbiage

126 - ...this one IS a bit weird. Not sure why a town would need it cleared up that of course you should be going from a town POV.

129 - more pressuring on the quiet and inactive.

Except she wasn't. See below.

229 - He pressured Fluff as well for his weak reads and continues to fluff.

Not seeing a lack of content as of 229 at all. Will continue.


And Now Fluff
Fluf Votes Quank

Fluff challenges quank on his fluff but isn't reading Kalas's flavor which could have nuggets of info. This strikes me as a fluff fight more for show than anything else

Fluff goes on to agree with Quank on claiming if there's no riddler. Neither bring up Clayface.

Fluff presses Riley on his lack of content and then for his mix up of the names. Interesting since Fluff didn't read the rolls to carefully either with his missing of Clayface's ability.

Fluff starts doubtcasting Sloth as scum in 55 for his claim suggestion. He's very quick to throw sloth under the scum bus for doing the same as Quank.

68&70 - This still strikes me as a bizarre as hell grouping of statements. Why would he thinks scum has more interactions to keep track of then TOWN in this game? It made and still makes me wonder if he had even glanced at the town roles yet because they're all over the place and very dependent on the actions of fellow townspeople and scum.

112 - Votes of Quank but assures he's still suspicious of him? That's nice? Also irrelevant if he's not continuing to pressure that scum read. Having a vote on someone doesn't mean you cant keep hounding other scum.

140 - Still has that slight scum read of Quank but isn't doing anything with it.

159 - Finally gets to the fact he's played with Quank before and has a confusing Meta read on him. Again...if so unsure why isn't he pressing?

189 - Seemingly makes up his own reason for why Schrodinger replaced and uses that as a reason to unvote him. Fluffy just seems to vote with no reason behind it and those he does supposedly scum read he doesn't pressure

196 - Thinks Citrus Rubicon and Atum are scummy...doesn't mention Sloth who hes actually voting for at the time. His scum read on Quank disappears and he finds Snow Towny.

213- Yet when remotely pressured on Snowtown read by Rubicon he buckles completely and reads snow as scum for not posting content. By this point snow HAD posted fluff but he'd also pressured inactives and was asking questions

217 - and now Nemruts scummy too! Why? Because Sloth said so...you know...the person he was voting 30 seconds ago

224 - Very defensive of Atum pointing out his suspicious plays.


Onto Quank

Quank votes Fluff; See above for thoughts on this

His Riddler needling started as early as post 19. Also starts in with the constant mentioning of claims while leaving himself enough room to say "Well I never said we should." He always seems to leave himself room to backwater.

See 26. "I dont think we should post but here's a detailed plan to do so....I'll just leave it right here...."

See 30 "More detailed plans on claiming...but seriously we shouldn't....cause Riddler....but you know...plans."

50 - Quank than claims to have asked about Clayface in his QT...But this is the first time he's ever mentioned Clayface at all, where he's mention the Riddler as a threat over and over. Seems like someone glossing over a trap that is now useless?

Has it ever been addressed if this is true?

He's right...he didn't say it in every situation. He said it in none of them. Any mention of Clayface came after Citrus pointed it out and Quank seemingly took the opportunity to claim he had asked about that and just forgot to mention it.

235 - says he Voted Zenzao...for basically voting him. I see nothing here to support the counter vote



onto Lyrium

Lyr poses her questions

I prod Lyr to answer them herself. She never did from what I saw. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Still in the 200s as of this posting

Lyr goes on to pose more in 64. Still saw her as town by this point. She says she will answer her own questions after Fishy comes in. Kind weird to note she asked every single player in 64 a question except me, Riley and Quank.

These questions also strike me as role fishing a bit on closer inspection. They're disguised as town gameplay mechanics. She's not asking how a player thinks a specific roll should go...she's asking for several roles from 1 or 2 players...which would allow the Riddler 2 means of rollfishing.

One this early in the game the roles a player will be most comfortable with the mechanics of are their own so it could be very telling if a response for the rolls she asks comes with 2 vaguish gameplays and a decent one. If this fails and the player responds with decent plans for each roll....well she can also later search the players post for patterns and try and match them up with their response

78 - Downplays the importance of the Riddler who is Anti-town and therefore for all intents and purposes a scum faction to town. We have analytical players in this game. Shouldn't that cause worry?

I am NOT going to address....that mess that follows again. You've seen my points on it. I stand by them. I will address this though.

Also narrows down a mess of roles for Riddler to not have to sort out.

I find it weird looking back at this point in the game how she kept telling me to be useful. She spent post after post badgering me with no interaction with other players. Sure I was pressing her but I was also pressuring Quank and asking Z to explain his reads.

Here we have Lyr talking about how any player who pressures another player known for their imperfect play needs to be tunneled into nothing. At the beginning of the game she said point blank that there's a lot of new faces and a lot of people who have never played with one another and therefore would NOT know anything about what another player is known for.

She also goes on to frown upon voting out or over pressuring new players this early....so....which is it? Is it okay to pressure new players for not having meta on other players or is it not okay?

Already doubt casting Sloth because he disagrees with her. Of course his reads changed. It had been several hundreds of posts between.

More setting up the mislynch.


Time to sleep....but on a parting note...On my re-read I note a quote from Sloth that bares some consideration.

This isn't me accusing any particular player of being Penguin...but we do need to consider the fact that Penguin can't be seen by any us with our investigative roles. No one can be allowed to coast and if anyone notices a player doing it they need to be pressured and HARD.

 

Are you going on and thus I should wait to respond or ?

I mean most of what you pointed out is Town!Lyrium at 100% so thereby you can't read me well and are either confused or reaching.

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Which I expect better of you. Then there's the fact that most of Day One I was promoting a No Lynch and only hammered Sloth because he was suspicious as hell.

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And by hammered I meant you know voted his wagon because I expect better of him then to repeat his CYS game, "Lyrium is scum" nonsense. I though Sloth could read me but that was a fluke if anything.

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I mean would anyone like me to respond to this? I feel like I could write an article on:

"Lyrium!Town Meta: From Werewolf to Avatar to CYS to Batmafia 2"
- Asks questions
- Only answers questions if it a) likes player as a person or b) player asks a couple of times
- Insists players repeat questions and prefers questions to be in a numbered list for ease of reference. This helps me figure out things.
- Is suspicious of people who target players known for not being the Elite
- Believes in not killing newbies on day one due to the MB incident of Spirit Tunnels
- Believes in tunneling people
- Believe that if you tunnel it then you should be prepared to be met with fury and a particular playstyle and if you can't take the heat, don't engage missiles
- Believes that no one should be 100% sure of there reads unless they are a Seer role and even then mixups are possible
- Due to past experience with a player finds his reads suspicious. Also just doesn't get along with the player and only tries because it seems like the group expects it.
- Finds it suspicious to be on a town wall but then doubtcast and then read as suspicious and asks player to ask someone else questions
- Is a mixture of silly, happy, and sharp bc it depends on the person
- Riley is someone I feel a kinship to so since we have had self-doubt moments and people twisting our words (see RIley in B&T)

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And to a final point:
- I must be either town ( so obvious that i wonder why scum haven't nked me) or scum or the Riddler, can't be both scum and SK.

I mean if a town power role did choose to interact on me, I would be quite surprised if it saw anything but town unless shenanigans by another town player.

Therefore, I know that mechanically there are very few ways to come to a scum conclusion which means
1) Genuinely confused reads or
2) Scum trying very hard to get my lynched and reaching quite a bit. This seems especially the case due to the facat of the 100% certainty ratio. As a person trying to see everyone objectively I'd put TerRaine as a 60% to 80% scum read but I have %100 on no one until they flip. Only scum have certainty, town has feels in the dark.

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Will look over the rest tomorrow as in need to sleep. I think my issue may be that once I know someone is wrong about me I discount their reads completely.

I assumed something about fluffys role which is why I thought town but it may be an arbitrary reason.
Snow, I like Snow. I want to see more of him but you know its Purple Bouncy..my scum meta on him has him more active, leader like.

And Remember that one game where Fonti was scum and at the last it was between me and Snow and Atum and we ended up killing each other over Fonti? I remember that game.


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Still wondering about this;
Why can't question on scum day chat be answered? It seems like a weird thing to not be in an open setup.

 

Meh I'm in a bad mood so I'll do the vote count stuff for you Titus tmrw, just want to sleep

 

@Lyrium

I cannot believe you just did a self meta wall. Most of it is null or irrelevant.

1. Asks questions. It's not just that you ask questions, the type of questions you ask are telling. For instance you trued to start a discussion of if Quank was Batman. That is not cool.
2. That is shitty townplay at best. Scum are reserved. Town answer directly unless the question is a gotcha game or riddler bait.
3.Really, you've expressed zero suspicion of Math during her Quank is ovvscumness and her turn around for no reason beyond me telling her she needs to suspect me.
4. I do not see tunnelLyriym as it took awhile to get a Ter case from you or to get a beat on you.
5. Your attitude seems inconsitent with 4.
6. Yes so why aren't you encouraging Math to have a dialog with me? One can talk to their tunnel suspect. It's how breakouts happen.
7.??? Makes no sense.
8. ??? Same.
9. Personality...fakable and i don't really read personality.

10. Being sure is persuasive. Just because you feel Ter should have doubt doesn't make it so. Engage Ter in Dialog rather than acting entitled to have her doubt you. Ask her to suppose a tiwn Lyrium world and be prepared to do the same.

 

@Math:

Does this still stand?


@Titus: Due to the Von/Fluff mix up from previously, did that change anything in your other reads? I tried to follow but I couldn't find anything. I might have missed it though.


@Lyrium: Sloth was not suspicious as hell though.

Those aren't the words of scum. Scum would not be that cocky for a lynch unless they had some role that activates upon lynch (Hint: Nope)

Your audacity and bravery leads me to believe you really are town OR your Penguin and you're not afraid of a night check. So. Yeah, there's that.

@Titus: I feel like you're doing your best to appear Town, but unfortunately House may have ruined it for me along with the interaction with Math. By hopping straight to a vote without much talk in thread leads me to think maybe she (House) was basing it off previous conversation in a QT. I'm not 100% on that but it's bugging me.

-TerRaine: is town I think.

@Rubicon: Sorry I'm late on the promised read wall. i'm attempting it now. How am I doing so far?

Re:Lurkers and my Policy. My policy is to always go after lurkers during early game because they have the bulk of our info in terms of roles and if they're not going to protect themselves than why allow the Scum the favor of useful fluff kills to throw us off the scent.

Qqqq/Quank one of these is scum.

Mala: Kind of glossed over this one. Not really sure, I'll admit that I need to go back and re-read.

Snowvon: Such a strong start. What happened? Just disappeared? Riddler in hiding? Bane
preparing to strike? Or perhaps a good town role trying to camoflauge themself for now.

___

If Titus flips Town, I immediately have Math to focus on, especially with how sure she is that Titus is scum. If Titus flips Scum. Looking at Lyrium's reads, mainly for the interaction she's having with Lyrium re:

which feels like either super towny or buddies trying to build town cred.

If we lynch Lyrium first though, then we can see how Titus might follow through with Lyrium's question. Which could potentially provide more info.

But the odds favor a Titus lynch right now in that it gives us more ifno on Math/Lyrium. whereas a Lyrium lynch, not so much.

Vote: Titus

 

Wow you come back and push for an info lynch...

You seem to highlight things that go with my Sloth tanked his lynch theory and all my theories are right bit we lynch Titus for infos.

Your strongest so called reason I cannot even talk about...why did House vote so early beyond reinforcing that Sloth tanked his lynch ehich you seem to concur on.

Really asking to lynch her suspect is townie? Then why did Lyrium sound all defeated when I asked her for a case? Why dors she allow wiggle room by saying no one should be sure? Why does she act like I am capable of lynching someone by myself?

There is zero thought in this wall that hadn't been said and current convictions but for the one post by Lyrium looks townie which is shit.

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As for Von andfluffiness, I like both as middle town and if I had to pick fluffy is townier.

 

Titus, nope. I don't know why you could be thick-headed again.

This is how Sloth and TerRaine play and how you played in CYS so abbreviating it to STT:

Lyrium: My fav color is blue, and sometimes pink (but bright pink not wishy washy pink).
STT: Lyrium is scum, look at that something is off about the color choices. Most mature or normal individuals would at least mention green.
Lyrium: lol wat are you serious?
STT: The use of lol in lowercases is further indication of strep throat...we mean Lyrium is scum.
Lyrium: Do you have any sense of town or scum meta based on that?
STT: Brings up meta like it has in every game its town, it definitively proves Lyrium is scum. 100%scum righ there.
Lyrium: Err...have you read or been in any other game with me? That reasoning just doesn't make sense?
STT: AHA, isn't answering the question regarding how its color preferences are subpar. Obvious scum is obvious.
Lyrium: Get off my d bro, or you know
STT: ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT COLOR PREFERENCE OR YOUR SCUM.
Lyrium: Umm...okay. I guess I could be more specific re shades of blue (the more islandy ones like turquoise and stuff and not the more sad ones and as for pink I really stated bright not pastel).
STT: Oh looky it answered the questions, this is incontroveritble proof that Lyrium is scum. Incontrovertible. And bright pink is so ghetto, obviously something is wrong with Lyrium. When Lyrium defends it self or when it doesn't defend itself against a tunnel it means Lyrium is scum.
Lyrium: This is the point I longer have respect or care or care or care or care or care. I mean at this point there is nothing but lynch or make a valid point.

So no Titus, I don't see your points and it kind of sucks since this is what is happening above according to me.

I mean what do you do in this kind of circle? I guess my reaction in CYS was to try to engage by responding to your points but that didn't work at all and anything I said was "AHA Lyrium is scum."

I asked Sloth at days end to reconsider his read on me, he refused which was why I actually thought of him as suspicious.

As Robin he should hae fought more and got someone to hammer him. I assumed he was some role either scum or town and was going to take out Rubicon or me or one of his other reads based on faulty reasoning so therefore...suspicious. I actualy wrote in my QT "It must be Clayface" or slight chacne that its town equivalaent.

Titus, I know for certain that Quanskor isn't Batman. So it doesn't matter to bring it up.

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*not got someone to hammer him. Also Titus why is Sloth's defeatist attitude okay at days end but not mine in the face of what to me is the above ad nauseum?

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Well RIley, I'm always audacious...unless I don't care.

As for the Penguin point that TerRaine brought up indirectly...well I went from being The Riddler to scum to now specifically Penguin. Without any clear train of thought or explanation other then cherry picking my posts so I will believe TerRaine to be town when it flips town.

However, I'm willing to be lynched to prove that I amn't and this is true for every game hence on to make point.

And 2. If TerRaine is town and is so convinced that I'm scum to the degree of 100% then make the deal. I die, I flip, and then either she shows honor to keep the deal herself and give Riddler her role or town lynches her for faking it.

 

As someone who runs on logic Titus, you certainly seem to be missing the point of my Lynch choice and the scenario I laid out. This one gets the most immediately need result and resolution to any potential muddying of waters between you, Lyr and Math.

 

As for MathBlade, I guess I am a player who works off meta from previous game. Math voted me day one but for a reason I could understand even if I didn't agree with it. Actually, MathBlade is like a bunny...I don't know what it's saying half the time but its funny all hoppping around.

 

Ok. not right now though.


As for the whole Penguin thing, it's more that I came to that conclusion based on my own thought processes of "why would anyone be so willing to shout and rattle like this? Especially if it means getting checked in the night....Oh Wait". So I then thought, maybe you are the Penguin and you want to be checked so that you can point at it later to show "hey, I'm town, clearly proven right here, that I'm town" when in actuality you aren't and this is just a set up for later.

This is why I try not to post to much. Now someone's like to jump on that whole thought process and tear it apart.

 

No, its fine though RIley because guess what I can now understand your reasoning of how you came to suspect that and came to that conclusion. I can still disagree with it or say well then let's lynch me because I always am hyperactive but at least I can get it that its related to a type of behavior.

Like I still don't get why Sloth and TerRaine were screaming Riddler off the top of their lungs day one. What is the reasoning? I'm curious not just for the reason of like why specifically me but also I want to know how to read The Riddler.

So far my only thoughts were 1. Needs to be highly analytical\psychological to guess roles and 2. has to stay on the down low its new or not Fonti because it might not have the meta\skills to guess roles.

Thanks for explaining though in a non-d manner.

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The reason I am up for lynch is because in CYS.. TItus and I danced this dance that TerRaine is trying but 1. I liked Titus a lot from previous games (including W3) and 2. I didnt realize how bad it was for town that we wasted days and days of tunneling between us. I mean town lost so better to clip it in the bud now so town can get some real work done.

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For example, if TerRaine thinks I'm scum as it does then how are Snow and fluffy and Quanksor my teammates...where is the interaction analysis? That would show me that there was legitimate scum hunting vs. this which is more "I don't liek your words in your mouth because they are yours."

 

Lyrium, whom would you rather lynch first of Titus/Math?

 

Probably TItus for not going back and reading the thread but making a lot of claims about players alignments. The only thing that holds me back is that town!Titus seems like a thick-headed person and doesn't make sense while scum!Titus is manipulative and charismatic. So, right now Titus is doing her town!meta but not being as idk good as she can be.

As for MathBlade, I can never read MB. I helped lynch her in SPirits for this kind of play and she was town there. I actually don't have much scum meta on her except from a rare IRC game which I don't particularly remember and IRC is easier.

So I don't know I would have to shift focus and start asking them questions and poke and poke and poke.

 

Use real quotes. Not made up dialogues

No you didn't.

Stop making stuff up. In one breath you say your being harassed maliciously throughout the game and in the next you say a post about coasting players is directed at you.

Are you being pressured or coasting Lyr. pick one. It can't be both.