Supposing you're town, then I would look more that scum were early voters and vying for a no lynch at that point. Maybe they were all on Sloth...

 

What are your thoughts on the night and day reaction he had the two different times you bought up your death in CYS?

In one it seems like he feels like he needs to justify his actions in that game.

In the next he takes offense and calls it a blatant lie.

And to clarify. This ISN'T about CYS before anyone says I'm using it again. Its strictly about his reaction in this and ONLY this game. You can change the verbiage around if it helps into something else....in fact I will

Lyr: I'm going to ignore Zenzao who ate my apple

Zenzao: Your apple was just sitting there, Lyr. And you were talking to Fonti who already ate so it pinged me that you did to. It's really difficult to tell if you're hungry.

Later

Lyr: And last time I was with you what was the result? You ate my apple. I wasn't given any other fruit either. A player chose to cut up and eat my apple with a knife and I went hungry basically.

Zenzao: Thank you for blatantly lying. I did not eat your apple, with or without a knife. Neither of us deserved for the fruit cart to go missing, but you can't blame me for your hunger. That is split evenly between all of the active fruit buyers at that time, yourself included, thank you very much.


Doesn't ONE of the reactions strike anyone as disingenuous given the other

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....Now I want an apple....

 

Titus,

I was asking for a no lynch because as I have stated before, in the majority of games I've been in we kill town on the first day. And its been town on the lynches (such as in Dresden where Sloth was lynched as a newb town the first day by majority town).

I voted Sloth because he went off the rails on me and accused me of being third party based on the reasoning, "Lyrium answered my questions," which was a repeat of his performance in CYS and therefore uncool. I also am a little tired of his approach to me as some kind of demented child re patrony. It seems like a hating on my playstyle which there's not much I can do to change that and still enjoy the game.

I would have still preferred No Lynch. In fact, I think we might have not have had a nolynch if he didn't ask TerRaine to hammer him (why? like just why?) since it was so close to deadline which to me would have still been better (no lynch).

TerRaine,

Zenzao reacted that way because I forgot I was lynched in that game. I was lynched so quickly that I didn't even realize it was happening or get a chance to post before it happend and misremembered that my death had to do with the Pokemon Battle (which indirectly it did). I think Zen was sensitive to what he thought was making up stuff when I had forgotten what happened as my lynch happend in 60 seconds.

I mean I do make up stuff but it usually backfires like trying to make up a fake role to protect being seer. At some point I would like to be able to be a good scum but as Citrus pointed out, after the initial rush, feelings of guilt and stuff accumulate and it gets heavy. Like I seriously guilted after Citrus encouraged me to NK Zen in Dresden.

I'd still like him to answer and stuff, since I can't be 100% sure on anyone.

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P.S. Apples are the best. And berries.

 

Lyrium Its not his one reaction.

Look at them combined. You say the same thing TWICE. Once earlier and get an almost apologetic response. Later you say it and get defensive snappyness.

THAT is the questionable thing. I mean...if he was so offended by the misremebering/perceived lie why did he take it in such stride at first?

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Also also....we've been ragging on Quank for not posting for a bit now...Don't get me wrong I still find him scummy. But for all the pressure we've put on him...who are we allowing to coast on that front?



Zenzao has less activity here than Ika.....One of 2 MODs.

 

In the first I was poking him re: that he suspected me a lot in that game whereas in the second I wrote that he was the cause I died when in fact it was everyone alive.

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I guess I rely on meta a lot so for me this is Zen's meta just like Snow has his fluffy meta. I've never seen a scum Zen so I have no meta on that.

 

Should've roped Atum in red too

 

Riley ():
Snowvon ():
Aekiel ():
Citrus ():
Lyrium (5): TerRaine, Quanksor, titus, Qgqqqqq, Zenzao
TerRaine ():
Qgqqqqq ():
Rubicon ():
titus (5): citrus, atum, His fluffiness, Riley, mathblade
Atum ():
His fluffiness ():
Quanksor (1): Malakittens
Mathblade ():
Zenzao ():
Kento Kraitos ():

Not Voting (4) , Kento Kraitos, Snowvon, lyrim, Rubicon

15 Alive, 8 to lynch

Mod notes:
updated sig with day end timer
Going to get working on a VC

 

I'm not good with data, but does low activity generally indicate scum?

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But yes, Atum needs to post more. As does Citrus actually, like do the VCA yourself Citrus.

 

I'm not saying low activity is a for sure indication of scum. I'm saying he's doing one of the same things we're badgering Quank about. I'm saying we're allowing him to coast.

 

i feel defensive of him so I'll just say to me its like:
TerRaine is to Sloth
as
Lyrium is to Zenzao

Like I feel defensive bc Survivor and just idk. Therefore, I'm not impartial and therefore others may want to question him and I'll try not feel defender mode if the questioning makes sense.

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Oh look its Quiggly, just who I was thinking about. How do you do Qpuff? He Who Rejects Having A Face. He Who Rejects Offering His Piece of Soul.

Come, let's play.

 

My sig now has a Link to a QT that has all of my VCs.

For ease, I have removed all players who have no votes.

 

....okay I recant my previous thanks...we're is everyone?

 

I've already done some in my QT, but I want to see what Titus comes up with independently and see if it comes out similarly/differently before doing it myself

 

But yeah, people should poke the lurkers including Zen a little and I will back off unless Titus uses mislogic which then no. I can't think of all the interactions possible but the Croc thing is just some people can map mechanics in thier heads and others can't and I'm one of the can't think like that yet.

 

Ah Ika's QT is awesome, thank you so much for that.

See, what I saw was the following:

Wagon on TerRaine (Lyrium, Aekiel, Rubicon)
Wagon on Fluffiness (Atum, TerRaine, Snowvon)

-This one might be interesting due to TerRaine voting Fluffiness (possible balancing a counter wagon to herself?)

Largest Wagon moves to Quanksor (Rubicon, TerRaine, Riley)

-Possible Rubicon protecting Fluffiness? TerRaine moved again, possibly makes the previous statement on her more true?

Sloth wagon develops (Citrus, Zenzao, Snowvon)

-Snowvon balancing out Quanksor?

Quanksor Wagon builds (+Fishy Justice, +Snowvon)

-FJ is conf!town. Snowvon crescendo-ing Quanksor wagon at 5

Sloth wagon to 4 (Fluffiness + Quanksor on), Quanksor wagon builds to 6 (TerRaine off, atum kento kraitos on)

-atum and kento pushing Quanksor over Sloth? wagon is large enough we'd expect bussing to occur by now?

General conclusions:

Rubicon + Fluffiness potential alignment
Quanksor + Fluffiness potential alignment
Scum!Quanksor gives town!Snowvon ; probably gives town!Rubicon (he voted Ter then moved to Quanksor)

Since Ika's put all the VC's in one post I'm going to go through all of them later and see what I come up with, that's actually really really good

 

@Citrus, I do not feel those wagons tell as much yet. People can protect regardless of alignment. When the collective is choosing between x and y as more telling. Plus a side effect of lynching scum can be protecting town.

All of those things as possible. I look at conflict and decisions much moreso. The vcs you cut off are much more important.

 

Titus. Thoughts on the Zen deviation?

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You too Citrus

 

@TerRaine: I knew I should have stayed on the desktop longer this evening. I can't quote other quotes on mobile(quoted posts that have quotes inside already eat the original and leave the secondary quote) so answering your specifics a page back completely will be tomorrow at the soonest.

Regarding Lyr, the first time I responded to her I wasn't being hounded by Titus and generally Scumspected over what I still don't understand as a problem. And from what I remember Lyr took a decisively more abrasive stance on the second time, essentially accusing me of killing her(and we had some grief over the Pokemon Battle situation in CYS to begin with that wasn't really resolved) and I didn't appreciate that on top of the crap Titus has been spewing.

I need to check the opening post to be certain, but my understanding of the Scum roles is that Croc can eat whoever they NK up to 3 times. So why didn't he? Why wouldn't he? Why was FJ's role allowed to be revealed? I didn't think that Croc could have been RB'd and I don't believe Scum would have willingly not Devoured, thus suspicion and trying to work out an answer. I'm looking at the Scum team in this game as at least as competent as I learned they could be in CYS, IE theres a motive behind every action, so what was this one N1?

Regarding Quanksor, I know you're a better player than this. He only posted more in the past 24 hours or so with no given reason beyond "game sucks no fun whatever" and contributing generally bland posts, he isn't Scumhunting and he never followed through on pressuring anyone. He OMGUS'd me D1 and has slung his vote around haphazardly since.

I've tried to post as my time has allowed since the game started. And you're right that I should have backed off and given Sloth the same consideration. Real life will always take precedence over a game.

I thought Sloth was Riddler primary for post #54 for reasons I went over D1, but I'll reiterate:
1. Suggesting we mass-claim last hour D1, that Riddler couldn't hit us all for it.
1.5. Quanksor already hounded the subject. Sloth's reenforcing it.
2. Sloth is a better player than that as would make such a suggestion without thought. Quanksor suggesting such a thing isn't, but Sloth should have known better given the amount of activity present in CYS at last hour almost every Day.

@Lyr, thank you kindly for the support. And on that note

UNVOTE

VOTE: Quanksor

I don't understand what your gambit was yesterday, milady, but I'm not going to vote you at this point when I just don't see you as Scum. Quanksor's been Scummy D1 and D2.

 

Deviation?

 

....Does no one read anything I post? -_-

1895 on.