Ah, thought I forgot to respond to someone

Honestly pretty meh, I don't actually remember him posting within the last day or two, and I don't think I even remember any of the posts he's made today.

Uhh brb looking for his posts

 

*shrug* I'd be down for flashwagoning Zenzo.

I've already made those points. I figured both Lyrium and Zenzo were suspect for those same reasons. Lyrium just has the Batman/GA suggestion going in her favor along with defeatist attitude etc.

 

Uhh don't really understand where you're pointing out a deviation?

The croc comment is the steps up to the conclusion of a role block occurred without the conclusion drawn, and I don't really buy the defensive-ness thing since it's to the same assertion as the more passive response?

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Could you explain what TerRaine means as you understood por favor?

 

Catching up but

@Titus WTF we have days left...why flashwagon instead of bring up cases and let them be heard? Seems really anti town to plan a flash wagon.

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Thanks...I made a boo boo.

Sorry Titus. Still think you are scum I just misunderstood that.

 

Zenzo seemed to talk a lot about Croc, which we know was not successful or didn't act. He talked from the assumption that Croc was not used.

I said, why couldn't Croc have been roleblocked. A player thinking about the Croc should have realized that possibility. Instead, he just says good point. He's focused on the roles by the volume on his posts, but then playing dumb about them.

Why didn't croc hide the role? Zenzo asks... but he never considered roleblock and jumped straight to not used. That's odd. Almost as if he knew or was forcing the issue...

^^ Lyrium made a similar issue at the same time.

Zenzo's defensiveness only appears when someone is implying they suspect him. Town should be defensive at all bullshit. Scum try to hide. That's what he's doing here with his lack of posting.

 

How is this any different than me saying I would reread the thread for evidence? You accused me of stalling and do the same thing. So who is scum if Lyrium is town. Which she is.

 

You do realize that's the second or third such "boo boo" you've made and you've given no reasons for why Lyrium is town.

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That wasn't the question. The question was, what would the VCA show if Lyrium was town? I speculated as to where the scum votes would be.

I already answered that very question. I would look more closely at her reads. I'd recheck some things. Lyrium and I had that discussion when we went back.

I suggested Zenazo/Citrus/Atum and you as the specific scumteam.

However, VCA alone was asked there.

Another "boo boo".

 

Sigh I am tired. Should not try to skim mafia posts after yard work. It just goes horribly.

And again you start the vicious circle. I gave reasons you just say they aren't reasons and then I give more and you say those aren't reasons....

So instead I am going to sleep and tomorrow/day after I am reading what was posted about Zenzao and I will leave you with this adorable cat I found.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video...fr=iphone&_tsrc=apple&ei=UTF-8&sigb=12dr9l37o

 

In someways, provided you are town, that's a good thing. I'm a mechanics hunter which is usually protown in a setup like this. However, my instincts here force me into reads positions where explaining is anti-town and I look like dancing.

It makes me deadly in the late game, but the catch is hiding my role while explaining my reads, not getting mislynched while constantly thinking about the one thing I'm not supposed to say is very hard.

It's like the old Panda Bear study.

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When TerRaine, Rubicon, myself, and Qqqq all say they aren't reasons, it's not just a vicious cycle. You are dodging.

 

That. Is. The. Point.

He has 2 drastically different reactions to the same stimuli. Like....it was wrong when Lyr first said it and he explains it away passively. Later when he's coming to be suspected and pressed by some people his reaction to the SAME statement is like a different person.

This.

 

Why am I having flashbacks to Fonti/Kalas v Zenzao CYS here?

CYS is the one and only game I've played that hasn't ended for me D1/D2. I'm still learning and things that you guys with dozens of games under your belt know to look at from point F, I'm only seeing from Point A or B. I hadn't remembered we even had a RB in this game or thought that said RB could guess correctly on stopping Croc, the only Scum role that could reasonably act N1. To my way of thinking the situation was black and white: Scum didn't act deliberately. Why?

Not that Scum tried to act and couldn't. So please get off your high horse and stop assuming.

 

....this is literally my third non filler game.

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What's a filler game?

 

And have you been lynched/NK'd early throughout games 1 & 2? 'cause I seem to remember you making it near to endgame last time and you were fairly competent then.

I just looked at Lyr's posts in the quote from page 95 again and the difference in Lyr's tone should be clear for why my own changed. I knew she held disgruntlement over dying in CYS, fine, she's not out-and-out claiming I Vigged her in the middle of the Day. Second post she is claiming I straight-up chose to kill her and I want to set the record right on the matter once and for all, especially with the crap Titus has been spewing.

 

Wow, another problem...

How do you know Bane didn't act N1? Your theory... supposing Croc didn't act still leaves Bane available... but you're supposing Bane doesn't exist.

If the Croc elected not to act, Bane can still exist.

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You seem to have an issue that logic = crap.

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Anyway, I am off to bed. I'll see y'all tomorrowish afternoon probably.

 

Go back and read D1 and see how many of us agreed that the odds of Scum picking Bane over Penguin were viable? A 3-night delay 1-kill that could be backtraced via Nightwing etc by the second day versus immunity from cop check? Really, show of hands here who believes Scum chose Bane, please.

 

In this setup, I would take Bane. Penguin is better in a hypo cop world but I doubt we can do this realistically.



A hypo cop world is a world where every player puts a cop check out there.

Furthermore, a scumfuck can just claim bus driver after the flip.

Bane is OP with Two Face you get a guaranteed loss of a mislynch plus a free roleblock.

 

:snuggle:

 

God, I can't bring myself to care about this right now. Stressful stuff has been happening irl, and with internet down meaning I'm horribly behind I don't care enough to catch up/finish my thing on Lyrium. That and looking over the last two pages to see the same arguments being hashed out, but with several hundred posts seeming nessecary to pop out, I don;t know that I care enough. I'll try read some stuff tomorrow, but can't promise to catch up by any means.

Here's what I wrote on Lyrium. Bone tired, so can't be bothered adding links/quotes/finishing off, but you might as well have it:

The rest would be, basically, just in light of play early day 2/late day 1 we see a substantial bias on her part towards those reading her positively, and that in general her play feels faked rather than generally arising as such. I was paticularly interested in reexamining her attitude shift on Mathblade at end of day 1 and early day 2, to see how much of a bias there is towards players who read Lyrium as town being ignored/read positively by Lyrium in turn, but I cbf'd.

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Oh and I think Lyrium keeps spouting that I don't have strong reads. I do have strong reads.

Strongly town:
Fluffy
TerRaine

Strongly Scum:
Lyrium
Quanksor
Probably Mathblade (bears closer examination/rereading)

Players I am wary of/want to examine but haven't had the chance to do so:
Titus
Rubicon
Mathblade (because honestly, I haven't had a chance to really examine)

Plus of course Snowyvon. And everyone else in the thread, really. But those three are the ones that have specific reasoning to need to do so, which I haven't been able to do. (Fake edit: and fuck. That's ~half an hour wasted to this thread and I haven't caught up a post.)

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I'd take Bane, btw. Cops never quite work out the way you want them to, you can always claim redirection/role interaction fuckery, and cop will have to hold back ages anyway. Doubt they did by no one coming forward with it, but that's my reaction.

 

Generally the first few days are about Charisma. That is why obvious scum (like Mathblade) cannot be lynched because she has buddies vouching for her. Lyrium gets counterwagons despite pulling lynch me crap. Being scum is an innate charisma boost.

Sloth is a very charismatic player, so his getting lynched D1 is particularly odd....unless he tanked it.

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Suppose Mathblade repeatedly yells that I am scum, takes my posts out of context and has given no reasons for Lyr town since you complained and moans that it's handwaiving?

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Ter, can you explain my GA/Batman analysis indicates why one of Lyrium/Quank is likely scum since people are not getting it? Literally, the should only both be town if bus driver or scum frame up.