Idk, the way I see it my death will bring TerRaine peace and also sort through the riffraff who are following the crazy town arguments.

On the other hand, if we can put a scum down then that is optimal for town.

I have to think about it.

Can you do the MYLO\LYLO numbers (actually anyone else is invited to do it to). What happens if we mislynch today and also what happens if we mislynch today and 2Face comes out of its hidey hole to kill town?

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ill be back tonight and think on it more then

 

Oh Titus, don't be ridiculous. None of your points about Math answer my actual question, which was, "What was opportunistic about her vote?" Switching votes from one scumread to another doesn't really seem to qualify, unless you're willing to give a better explanation. In fact, I'd argue that starting a new wagon is the opposite of opportunistic in this scenario.

Okay, so I've got your conclusion on Lyrium, now provide the logic or thought process or whatever you want to call it. Or again, point me to it.

On vote parking. There's that opportunistic again, but we'll leave that alone. How is it defensive though? Maybe not offensive but it certainly doesn't seem to have helped me defend myself. This is me applying pressure and scumhunting by the way, in case you're having trouble recognizing it.

Onto Zenzao, fine, let's assume he was more defensive when he was pressured than when he was not. Does that sound like an abnormal response to you? What makes it scummy, or do you expect people to proactively defend themselves from foreseen slights? I know which sounds more like a scum mindset to me.

I have literally bolded the part where you say the exact opposite.

 

/four chras

 

Who's on right now?

 

Me.
/10char

 

Me too but I'm on vacation

 

@Ter: go for it

 

thanks Kalas.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xv5the0eabhx1a3AiEZCpT9F7J1pip25Fj7DTlSHHYg/edit#gid=0

2 of citrus' highest town reads have more variance in their reads than Titus does

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it is when you add specifics like visiting 2 people.

If you think my argument doesn't work pick it apart and support your assertions. i gave quotes and pointed to specific posts. You've just said "But that doesn't work"

I know why you think Lyr is town and baby jesus H. christ Math you're so wrong it HURTS.

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Snow...any thoughts on the points i've made abot citrus

 

1. I swapped words, it was 2AM. I meant to say it's more displaying thoughts than actually trying to solve the game (why would the opposite argument make any sense in that sentence anyways)

2. Rubicon brought up a lot of good points about meta, and you kinda hand-waved

3. Uhh what? Your normal view of neutrals are that they can just play as town, as long as they don't get in danger of being lynched. Ex: when you were serial killer in the other game (granted you were also a commuter).

4. Everyone knows you don't like bussing, but I'm pretty sure you realize how much more in favor other people are of bussing because of how self-conscious you are about that fact. I have a town-read on Lyrium and a scum-read on you D2, and thus I place my vote on you. I do not want to move the vote because it may lead to you avoiding lynch (which you did anyways).

You're complaining about meta, and yet now you're bringing meta into this? It doesn't matter how good your end-town game is when you're not town. You didn't even consider the arguments I brought up above, you've either hand waved them away OR you've totally refuted my points without even paying a little consideration to them.

"@Qqqq I am not scumreading all my detractors and townreading alk my supporters. Mal is a weak townread. Zenzao is a weak scumread."

Malakittens is not a loud voice, also weak reads are basically fence-sitting. I once again assert, your reads are totally dependent on what best fits your position as someone primarily invested in their own survival (helping push a lynch through on Batman)

 

....

I added two people to allow you to be anything that visited a person or more than one person *facepalms*

Will break down Titus argument when not phone posting.

 

@TerRaine

??? You're doubt-casting my arguments on Titus, because two of my townreads have varied reads? I'm assuming I read this sentence wrong, because it sounds so ridiculous

 

You state this is a reason for your scum read. I point out you have this issue with others yet are calling them town.

This is a pretty straight forward thing.

 

@TerRaine (your wall on me)

I said "seeming like solving the game" rather than solving the game. Like she is posting things like that for the benefit of everyone's reads on her. The purpose of the wall is to make her seem towny. Rather than actually being towny because it's helping solve the game. Especially due to the number of fallacies (mixing up players, etc.)

There's a difference between gut reads and literally just making stuff up on the spot. My point is she was literally making stuff up on the spot.

A lot of people were null-scum reading Nemrut before she replaced in for the slot. The slot itself was likely going to be under pressure.

I asked her her reads. Rather than give me a few solid reads she had or saying she didn't know yet, she gave a read on everyone in the game. And half of them were falsified/not even the right players. Meaning she pulled that list from the front page and just made stuff up.

You are kinda nit-picking, considering the huge number of posts she's made in this game. I'm also not talking about the one-liners with witty aggression. I'm talking about actually seeing genuine emotion coming through (when she starts complaining about meta a few pages ago). She does have a few of those, but not nearly as many as I would expect, and additionally quite a few of the ones she grabbed are talking about facts (and strong opinions) about a different game.

Because Titus knows better and she explicitly did that. I cannot see a town!perspective for trying to bait a soup on someone when she actually believes they are that role as she stated.

Of course she's fucking said something about the Riddler in 100 pages. That's clearly not her focus as the game goes on, which can be seen especially from her repeating "scum-team is this four" so often and not mentioning a riddler read in those posts.

Yes that's one reason, it was 2AM. She's slight scum reading him, which is basically null.

There were a few posts between you and Lyrium that made me strongly think you were town.

Also, holy hell why are you so invested in defending Titus, TerRaine? You were also asking everyone "what's your read on Titus" "I'm not sure on Titus" and then ask me to post my arguments, I post some, and then your entire post seems to have a priviledged viewpoint of Town!Titus. Why did you suddenly make up your mind about how to view her from the beginning of that post? Let alone the fact that even if I made a wall of complete bullshit reasons that doesn't mean it would necessarily shed any light on Titus's alignment, and yet you almost decide because I actually made a wall of arguments you suddenly have to defend Titus.

Like even if you disagree with my points, you're also doing the thing Titus is doing and not even considering a single point as valid.

Even my one about her baiting the batman soup. And your reasoning for not agreeing with me is because I didn't call you out for it too? You're basically saying you agree with the point in a vacuum but because I said it you automatically can't agree? Like the fuck?

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If everyone had the exact same reads the game would be solved already.

If town had the exact same correct reads a lynch would be occurring on scum every day.

Obviously people can have different reads. I know Titus is a strong player and thus I don't understand why her reads are so different from mine.

Why the hell are you so invested in defending Titus?

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Can I get someone else's opinion on TerRaine other than TerRaine and Titus's opinions.

Specifically on the points I just brought up in the wall to her. Does she seem biased in defending Titus? I'm seeing Titus try to hand-wave/argue on every single point I bring up, and TerRaine seems to be flying in to do the exact same thing?

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Went through all of D3, these are the relevant posts. I thought she was more waffley/null on Titus when she isn't in retrospect, although there's still a bit of a tone shift from 'what's the case on Titus' 'you and everything you say are wrong'

 

Going to just address this first and stop you there.

Should I keep proving you wrong ooooor…?

There’s at least 56 of these. Not a good gambit when we have a search function on the forum.

 

Nice job of quoting as many of titus's mechanics posts as you can. Saying the word riddler doesn't mean she's hunting for riddler, and I already said as the game went her focus moved to scum-team. It comes out when she said "these guys are scum" and posts a 4 man team and doesn't any riddler reads etc.

But feel free to continue spamming the thread without even reading what you're quoting.

Like seriously, when you quote "are we informed of bad riddler guesses"

That's not fucking riddler hunting

 

Its showing concern with the role and understanding how it works. How can you hunt a role if you don't know the signs of it.

Please continue. I love how twitchy you're getting under pressure. Makes me comfortable in my reads

 

Not really, any alignment including riddler has reason to post things like that, and that's actually a scum tell to focus on mechanics anyways, if you really want to pick and choose.

Looking forward to you responding to the other points in that post

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And you also ignored the fact that she moves to only concentrating on the 4 man scum team once her game gets going, but maybe I'm not imagining your selective reading/responding and you're just ignoring that even when I've said it multiple times now

 

Okay so did you swap words and meant to say "it's more displaying thoughts than actually trying to solve the game" or were you saying "it's more like seeming to solve the game."

These are two different points.

In one you say its just displaying thoughts and not trying to solve...in the other you say its like your giving the appearance of trying to solve. These are not the same point

I’d like to see you quote something where she was making stuff up on the spot. I mean if you’re going to accuse someone of an action back it up.

Again and again citrus you show that your scumtells for Titus are selective as hell.

Her reads are so different from yours.

So are mine and Rubicon...2 of your town reads

She isn't riddler hunting. (when she is one of the people who are)

You have Lyr another town read of yours saying D2 that only scum are riddler hunting.

You claim that she's under a lot pressure....when I point out she wasn't it becomes well people had nemrut as null/scum lean. So it goes from a lot of pressure to "well people saw your former player as null"

You say she makes things up thought provide no evidence.

But are okay with half of Mathblades reads being supported by "Reasons"

Probably because one of those "Reasons" lists you as town.

Youre buckling under pressure. You keep going on and on about this being about Titus and me defending her. She's just a tool. This is about the fact I think you're scum and showing how easily your arguments are broken down.

 

On my phone

I just said I meant she's trying to appear town but not actually doing a real read wall which is what town would do (hence it's her trying to appear town)

That post is literally the exam please of her making stuff up on the spot, as I said in the wall.

Am I getting irritated? Yes. You're being hella condescending, and I think it's pretty hypocritical considering how upset you got when lyrium was doing it. You're ignoring my other points. Aka nit picking the one you have a retort for and then hand waving the rest away

 

I got upset at personal attacks and calling me a bitch. I'm not making this personal. I'm attacking your play.

Give me specifics. Give quotes. Show me. don't tell me your points.

I could have highlighted your whole rant and said "This is wrong and he's selective in who his scum tells are applied to. " I didn't because that's not very telling. I point out specifically where you are doing it.

Do the same an I'll look at it. Until then it's just generalities with no proof.

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The give quotes is for obviously when you're not phone posting. If you can't give quote give post numbers and explain where you see things being made up