I phrased that badly, lol

It makes no sense to have killer croc do the kill on any night.

Would definitely like mala's thoughts on Titus' theory since she knows Titus pretty well.

 

[quote[FONT=&quot]][/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Killer Croc[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
-Three times per game, Killer Croc can choose to Devour a player his faction targeted that night. That player’s role is not revealed during the day (though Killer Croc does learn the role)[/FONT][/quote]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]This to me sounds like Croc just has to target [FONT=&quot]the same person as whoever is doing the kill. Otherwise it probably would have said "Devou[FONT=&quot]r a player HE targeted that Night." Maybe.

[FONT=&quot]And I don't think Bane or Penguin can do the kill? They [FONT=&quot]have to pick someone else?[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

---------- Post automerged at 01:06 ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 ----------

fu quote tags

 

I think I know what happened and it is either 1 and none of those things OR just none of those things. I'm on 50% sure on my two face read. Either that or she is the role that she crumbed to me and is quiet possibly having her derpiest town game on record.

However, I'm going with the first one since I refuse to believe Titus is playing this BADLY.

If only I had someone I could like talk to. Ugh :/

 

Yeah my reads for Two Face are either fluffy or Titus.

 

Whatever. This is stupid. Mechanics are my baby. Lyr acted very proscum yesterdaybut no one gives a second look bc Titus is wrong.

My understanding is that scum can use night abilities and kill with the same person. Learning otherwise would be fatal to my theory.

 

Mod Questions: Does Killer Croc have to commit the kill to devour it?

 

I think they can but you still need to explain why croc-lyrium would have done the kill n2 and n3 after being blocked...

 

Titus' theory is obviously stupid as it stands. I don't know why my opinion is solicited particularly, I thought that obvious.

 

Where? Make a case? But you can't because actually TerRaine and fluffy were much higher on the "lynch Citrus" train. I did join it but partially because I believed his false gambit re: guessing roles and wanted to shut it down. Either way, you are ignoring TerRaine and fluffy leading that to focus on me.

Ugh...barf.

---------- Post automerged at 01:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:13 AM ----------

It's obvious Titus wants to save Atum. Quite obvious.

 

Bc Lyrium was practically townread by most considering GA would have to have a rep for tunnelling or back off to hide themselves. (Me GA/Batman first condition, second condition me not GA or Batman)

---------- Post automerged at 10:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 PM ----------

You lead. Ter hammerred.

---------- Post automerged at 10:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 PM ----------

I will elaborate mire tomorrow.

 

Ok so the mods said: "Killer Croc can't commit the kill and devour it." Which makes me think that one scum has to kill and Croc has to devour. Therefore, your theory is worthless. Mechanically confirmed to be worthless.

 

IMO I think scum shot the same target every night and Oracle protected them.

We know from N3 that either scum chose to NK or scum shot who Oracle protected. With scum having an advantage like this I doubt they wouldn't use their NK. So let's assume Oracle protected who scum shot at.

Let's look at N2. No one died. Either Batman or Oracle likely saved the target AGAIN.

And N1. Fishy Justice saved the target AND the killer didn't die. So either Penguin did the kill OR Oracle ended their action protecting the killer. The second OR is rather bullshit stupid in my eyes.


This is the theory I'm operating under. It makes the most sense to me.

 

no, killer croc can't commit the kill and devour

Last time I'm answering questions in public, kalas has stated he doesn't want this already.

If the same question(s) gets asked by several people we will answer it publicly then. But I'm starting to get annoyed when kalas says something and people ignore it.....

 

I agree that scum certainly wouldn't have chosen not to kill anyone.

 

So Titus led the lynch on Citrus. Kento's followed her, and then his fluffiness. Need to look at other votes but a pattern might be here.

 

Lyrium, you've said similar things a few times - why do you think Twofaxe would need to jump on his/her target so early?

 

Walk through it in your QT, I don't want to give scum ideas.

 

Kento Kraitos, what are your reads nowadays?

 

Let's work backwards from N3:

Night 3 thoughts:
Oracle and the assault both take place after any Booster Gold swap. So therefore for Oracle to protect against any assault Oracle would have to pick the same target. So for N3, it is pretty clear Oracle protected whoever scum wanted to shoot or Etrigan (who had a life to spare) or scum didn't shoot {even more doubtful}. I doubt option 2 because of well gut. I'm hoping most people share my gut system here.

So the options I'm working under as feasible are: Oracle protected the kill or scum didn't kill.

--------------------------------------------------------

Now N2:

Let's assume Batman interrogated someone. This could role block the kill. This could also save a townie.

There's also Oracle. This could also save a townie.

Assume scum targeted player X. If Oracle saved them they'd have to target player X. Booster Gold irrelevant as they'd both be swapped.

Now Batman is a little trickier. Batman would either have to have targeted player X or have targeted Booster Gold and Booster Gold swapped themselves and player X. I doubt this happened because Batman had suggestions on the board of which likely scum candidates to jail. Assuming Batman went with those suggestions I doubt scum would shoot a scum candidate. That doesn't make much sense to me, I think they'd go for obv townies.

So in my eyes the most likely scenario for N2 is that Batman or Booster Gold targeted player X. It is also possible that scum targeted Etrigan but then that would not be an option for N3 as Etrigan only has one extra life.


So for N2, IMO it is pretty clear Oracle protected whoever scum wanted to shoot or Etrigan (who had a life to spare -- doubtful) or Batman talked to the person scum likely shot (again doubtful) or scum didn't shoot {even more doubtful}.

Now N1 breakdown

Assume scum targeted Player X. Fishy Justice protected player X. So something was obv townie about Player X to where scum and Fishy Justice protected Player X.

This saves player X and is supposed to take down Fishy and the attacker. However the attacker lives.

Batman could not save the attacker else the attacker would be role blocked and not make the attack in the first place. We know Batman did not talk with Player X or Fishy Justice's save would not have come into play.

So either the killer had protection already (aka Penguin) or Oracle protected the killer on accident.

Let's assume Booster Gold swapped players A and B. If either A or B is not X Booster Gold is irrelevant and Oracle submitted a protection order for scum. If Player A is Player X then if Oracle protected the killer the killer would be forced to be player B.

So the Oracle and Booster Gold are probably in the best positions to know a lot about what happened in that N1 phase.

Overall the only possibilities are for kills (in my opinion of likelihood):

1) Penguin X shot player X and Fishy Justice protected Player X.
2) Penguin/Other scum X shot player X and Fishy Justice protected Player X and Oracle protected player X without interference from Booster Gold.
3) Penguin/Other scum X shot player X and Fishy Justice protected Player X and Oracle protected player X with interference from Booster Gold, swapping player X for the killer. My gut says no on this, way too much coincidence.


With things getting so close to MYLO/LYLO/whateverO I'm thinking that the Dead Man should go and see what Fishy Justice's actions were. I'm thinking we could get a Penguin out of this.


So this is why I think what I think. Therefore I find it much more likely that the scum want a certain obvious townie dead and their role hidden. Chew on this for a bit please in ya'lls QTs.

 

Mathblade, Batman clearly can't block a night kill through the role block unless the scum send the player they already know is blocked to do the kill, which I consider unlikely.