...and gets immediately sent to jail? It's unforgivable for a reason.

 

Yeah, and Barty Crouch Junior was immediately discovered and resent to azkaban for performing all those unforgivables in front of students.

 

I'm pretty sure trolls are considered non-human and therefore an Avada Kedavra would be perfectly legal against one.
Plot Bunny: Sirius discovers that it was Snape who told the prophecy to Voldemort and got Lily and James killed.

 

I would write this myself but I don't have the time. There's a stubborn and more than fucked-up idea stuck in my head about Snape going around picking up unsuspecting witches, subjecting them to the Polyjuice Potion (willingly or otherwise) and having his way with them before discarding them with a memory charm and a renewed dose of self-hatred.

The idea being, of course, that somewhere Snape has a stockpile of Lily Potter's DNA.

 

There's a difference between a trained and battle-hardened auror demonstrating the use of spells, and a student jumping to use one an unforgivable on instinct.

Perhaps I overstated my point - but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some harsh repercussions. This is a spell with the worst stigma on it in the entire wizarding world.

Anyway, off-topic, so let's leave it there.



Plot bunny: The monsters/non-humans of the wizarding world behave in the same way as monsters in the Percy Jackson series.

Basically a heavy-AU arising from the ramifications of that - functionally invisible to muggles, but hunting down human magic in all it's forms, driven by an inextricable and hard-coded hatred that affects them all, including most non-human sentients, like centaurs and Veela. The exception is Goblins, who sided with humanity centuries ago, with the promise of wands (which didn't eventuate) and thus are greatly resentful of them, forced to burrow underground to avoid it's wrath.

The battle against monsters is a daily thing, with Hogwarts being formed as a literal castle to withstand the constant assaults, with the teachers and most students regularly being called upon to defend it - all of which leads to a substantially more militaristic setup.

By the time of canon, however, the attacks have been pushed substantially back, with Hogwarts itself rarely under assault (due largely to Dumbledore), and parties instead hunting out beasts in the Forbidden Forest.

As a result, the wizarding world is significantly more insular, with muggleborns normally killed before ever reaching Hogwarts, and wizards forced to band together in tight-nit communities. Pureblood feelings are thus even stronger, as the very concept of an "outsider" wizard is, on many levels, still alien to them.

Grindelwald and Dumbledore were originally working together to attempt to overcome this fundamental problem, but split after Dumbledore realised just how sentient some (I'm picturing a captured Centaur being tortured, here) of the species they would exterminate were.

Dumbledore and Flamel invent the Hogwarts roll to detect muggleborns, a massive revolution of society which catapults Dumbledore into his position at Hogwarts.

Tom Riddle is all the more unique, as he manages to survive at his orphanage for many years before being discovered, fighting off minor monsters with instinctive magic (and/or simply surviving a particularly nasty "entrance" to the wizarding world).

Because of the heightened anti-muggleborn prejudice and specific response to Riddle due to the way his entrance is reported, Riddle becomes pro-muggleborn, forming his death eaters under those principles - though, of course, with Voldemort being who he is, it is far more about his own cult of personality/power.

Voldemort's exploration of horcruxes slowly leads to him losing his humanity (cliche, I know, but it works). This, and his experiments on the monsters and beasts of the forbidden forest allows him to connect more and more with the creatures, beginning with the bassalisk that Slytherin had imprisoned away, and enslaves them to his side during the war.

This means that the First Wizarding War is much less of a good/evil affair, as the terrorist group is comprised of many of the "good" people we see in canon - muggleborns who legitimately want a change, purebloods who respect them.

When Voldemort is defeated, crackdown on muggleborns is all the more harsh. We can have a Neville BWL, or a Harry raised by a different family - regardless, we have a interesting situation for him to attend in the context of.

And through it all, Voldemort, who in Horcrux form has been drawing closer and closer to the spirit of the beasts, and, when resurrected goes full anti-wizard mode, leading an army of beasts and misguided muggleborns to march on Hogwarts.


Largely inspired by a post on this forum about the events of canon being minor compared to the danger wizards face daily.


Sorry you had to read that, needed to get it off my chest.

 

Nope. A troll ain't human.

 

A Goblin also isn't human but I'd say that murdering one with the killing curse would be pretty illegal.

 

That would probably be because you can't let someone kill your bankers. Bankers, who, I might remind you, have had many bloody and vicious rebellions beforehand.

 

Pretty explicitly says "human being". JKR could have left it at "being" and thus include goblins (but not centaurs and merpeople!), but she intentionally included "human".

 

Well, Moody was obviously allowed to show children how they worked by practicing all three on a spider. Despite Rowling's statement, and the misleading way its presented, I tend to believe that an Avada Kedavra on Griphook, Bane or Grawp could be punishable by Azkaban (under the right conditions). Whether or not the Ministry would turn a blind eye or the penalty would be less extreme than murdering a human, that's totally open to interpretation, IMO, but I doubt a public murder of any non-human, sentient being would be kosher.

Of course, there's always ways to kill things without using Unforgivables. Ron circa first year with the troll; Harry against Quirrell. The scary thing about the Unforgivables is the outright hatred/willingness to see pain/taking control of someone's actions that's involved in the spells. You can't exactly use them as a defense because you have to want that person dead/hurt/mindless. For this same reason, I thought it was really whack that Harry used Imperius on unimportant characters but not Avada Kedavra against Voldemort, who he would, at bare minimum, want to see dead.

Would have been far more epic to have Harry getting more or less trounced in a duel, to the point that he's pushed past the brink where he finally casts the killing curse at the same time as the dark lord, which rebounds and kills them both. THEN Harry has the come back moment where 1. everyone saw him kill the dark lord with an Unforgivable, and 2. everyone saw Harry die, and 3. Harry comes back to life minus 1 horcrux. Explaining those events away would be quite a bit harder to do and there would be at the very least talk about Harry being a Dark Lord.

"We saw him die! How do we know that he didn't create a 'horcrux' too?"

 

Yes we know that use of it on another human being gets you sent to Askaban. The question is wheter or not the use on non-humans carries any kind of repercussions with it.

Edit: Should have refreshed. Was ment for Taure obviously.

 

There's actually a story exploring the 'human being' loophole of using the Unforgivables - .
To Fight the Coming Darkness by jbern.

Harry Potter actually listens to Umbridge's lecture, and uses Killing Curse and Cruciatus on the vampires, much to Dumbledore's chargrin.

 

Aurors used them during the war against Voldemort. You don't have to be evil to use them.

He'd get a damn medal for taking out Voldemort (you could argue, that he's, after he died the first time, no human anymore but a magical construct).

 

Here's a plot bunny for a possible crackfic.
Molly Weasley' dreams came true. All her children are working in the Ministry of Magic (including Twins).

 

Its not so much evil; Harry wasn't evil when he cast Imperius, and I wouldn't consider him evil if he took out a bad person. However, Avada Kedavra means you have to have the intent to kill; in other words, you have to want the target dead to cast the curse. Its plausible for Aurors to want Death Eaters dead, and I have no problem imagining Alastor in his heyday taking out people left and right. But even then, I'd imagine a rookie Auror wouldn't be capable of ending another person's life with sheer resolve. Its something that was never really addressed in canon (being allowed to use AK against others by mandate of the Ministry), it was just left there to show how desperate everyone was at that time. That, the Order photo, the memory of Bellatrix and Barty's trials, etc. It also seems as if (IIRC) they (Alastor, Dumbledore, Remus?) didn't approve of what was happening, but the public fervor pushed the Ministry to act, resulting in them allowing Aurors to murder Death Eaters. Its a childrens story, so I don't blame her for keeping those things to a bare minimum. I would think Stephen King would have made that the bulk of his fic -- the sick things the wizards do to Muggles, how reprehensible everyone became as a result of Voldemort (on both sides), a legitimate reason for the Dursleys to act the way they do...

More worrying would be the implications that he came back from the dead -- how do we know he's not going to go as insane as Voldemort, who, before his death, was at the very least charismatic (in addition to terrifying) and more than capable of persuading others to follow his cause. Harry, who, by nature, already has people dedicated to him, could easily be seen as a leader in an-Anti Minstry revolt. The Order would stand by him, Ron and Hermione as well as most of Hogwarts, the Professors and students.

With a few nominal changes to canon's ending, you could create many different issues for Harry to deal with. Example: Harry is put on trial for his actions during the Battle of Hogwarts a few years after it happens. He confesses to hiding the Deathly Hallows, which the Ministry wants. The Wizengamot punish him severely; 19years later, thanks in part to Ron and Hermione being on his side, he comes out of Azkaban with his sons/daughters/Teddy grown up, Ginny happily married to Neville, whateverthefuck

 

I'm pretty sure all that stuff about the AK is fanon, but why would you cast it if you don't want the target dead?

 

Is it that unusual to want a deadly one-ton monster with a magically-resistant hide rampaging through the school very, very dead? Hell, probably the student learned the curse to kill the dog of a neighbor at home, that bit his/her relative.

And because of all that and him being the savior of the Wizarding World, nobody would want to piss him and them off.

Which would mean twisting HP beyond the breaking point. When Voldemort was seemingly and, in the end, really dead, his supporters scattered to the winds. Without him, they're nothing and would not have managed to even get Harry fined.

 

I can't believe this long diversion started after I said /off topic. Regardless, let's get it back to the subject at hand.

Plot bunny: Draco Malfoy stands up in the middle of the welcoming feast in sixth year and kills Dumbledore (with an AK). Harry and co. are left with no idea how to fight You-Know-Who, and struggle to unlock the hints that Dumbledore left them in his will, against the backdrop of a school slowly being taken over by Voldemort.

 

Cringeworthy as fuck, man.

 

Draco would have to have grown some big Dragon-Balls overnight to manage that one.