Which is pretty much nothing(at least as far as bamfness in combat is concerned). Hinata is probably the least talented person in their entire age group. It's between her and Tenten. Notice how when all the rookies were pulling out their new ultimate moves what Hinata threw out was a jutsu Neji displayed as a 13 year old? Also that Kaiten variation is filler.

 

And? You make it seem like Shikamaru/Ino/anyone else did anything but learn their families techniques. Even Neji was simply copying what little he saw the main branch do so its not like he made up his own jutsu or something.

Also to say Hinata is the least talented in their age group is crazy. She suffers from a lot of the same issues Naruto suffered from, which is why she gravitated to him in the first place cause she saw how he never gave up. When Naruto was actually given a chance, he learned quickly.

Hinata's father never really gave Hinata that chance until after the chuunin exams. She basically caught up to the rest of the rookie nin from that point on because her father stopped treating her like shit because she looked like his dead wife and acted just like her to boot.

While its subjective to a degree, personally i'd say the rookie 9 ranks somewhere like Neji > Lee >= Shikamaru > Everyone else equal to each other.

 

Fanon.

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Fanon? Ah so just because the anime showed her(during non filler) and the manga didn't, its fanon. Kay.

Guess its such a leap of intelligence to pick up on the queues from the manga that Hinata was happy when her mother was alive and her dad was a lot more easygoing but once she died, shit changed and he was insanely hard on Hinata ever since.

But yea that's all fanon.

 

Well, yes.


You can choose to interpret things in a certain way that make sense. Since it is not stated to be such in canon, however, it counts as a fan theory. Hence, fanon.

 

No, it's CANON that he changed after his wife died, it's FANON that he was harsher on her because she reminded him of his wife. There's a difference.

 

Reading the plot for the movie on the wiki made me gag. That's Kishimoto's idea of a romance story? Now I find myself glad that we didn't see any real "romance" in the manga.

 

Making excuses doesn't change the facts. Shikamaru/Ino/the rest can all be considered exceptionally talented members of their clan. Hinata can not.

Comparing Hinata to Naruto is bull. Naruto unlike Hinata actually has plenty of talent. He just learns in a specific way that he didn't receive in the academy. Hinata has had personal training since she was a child and still came out mediocre.

Hinata was on par with the rookie nine at the chuunin exams. I would say that she kept pace and then fell behind later. Her falling behind would be after her father started treating her better.

Let's look at the facts. Kiba has one of the best noses of the Inuzuka clan. Perhaps the best sense of smell demonstrated in the series so far. It's stated to be better than a nin dog. His speed was on par with Sasuke and Lee's after the time skip. He also has that bamf Cerberus jutsu.

Shino was always considered one of the more talented members of the group. He has good strategic sense and is rather lethal with his bugs.

Sakura is a genius at medical jutsu and chakra control.

Ino is a skilled sensor who was able to detect senjutsu at 12 and her family jutsu is powerful enough to broadcast thoughts across a battlefield. She could also take over a psudo jinchuuriki for a few seconds.

Chouji went beast mode during the war. Enough said.

Shikamaru, Neji, Naruto, Lee, and Sasuke are all obvious.

Tenten and Hinata are the only one's who haven't really done anything impressive. Tenten doesn't really have the advantages going for her that Hinata and the rest do.

 

Sakura is no better than Tsunade at healing(and if we're being honest, isn't even her equal) so i'd hardly claim she's a genius, she simply had a great teacher and learned her stuff. It's not like Sakura did something Tsunade couldn't or didn't already do.

The fuck are you getting that Kiba's nose is one of the best in all Inuzuka? And people get on me about choosing to interpret shit a certain way. There was nothing stated that he was better than anyone else in his clan. He was simply in Naruto's age group and thus was the only prominent Inuzuka in the manga. Seriously, nothing or even foreshadowed that Kiba is anything better than average as far as Inuzuka clan goes.

Again, likewise with Shino. Nothing is stated he's anything more than average as part of his clan. Shino's clan are intellectual types, no shit he's strategic, but nothing said or shown he was any more strategic than any other Aburame.

Choji did go beastmode during the war and it was awesome, but honestly that was simply Kishi giving the rookie 9 a moment to shine, not proof that Choji is that much better than the rest of the rookie nin(excluding Shika/Lee/Naruto/Sasuke for obvious reasons as you said). Choji had his badass moment, Ino had hers, Tenten looked like she was gonna have one but that failed flatter than Sasukes chest. Basically everyone had their moment except Kiba and Tenten. Though Hinatas was more emotional rather than combat related.

Ino..i mean its no different than the rest. The only thing you did was list each individuals skillsets, which is to be expected since all of the shit you listed is NOTHING MORE than them learning their families techniques. Thats all. It's to be expected they can do that much, they did nothing extraordinary to single them out as some great beacon of ability in their respective clans.

Hinata's main problem before the chuunin exams was her extreme aversion to conflict so while if you looked at her skillset she was on par with everyone else, her own weakness would have had her lose any fight. The only reason she did as much as she did against Neji(even though he was going waaaay easy on her) was because Naruto was cheering her on. Remove Naruto's cheers and she would have lost even to Ino i bet.

As far as after the timeskip, she mostly got over that weakness. As shown by going up against motherfucking Pein knowing she could be killed as easy as a roach at any second just to get Naruto free since he was the only one who could do anything.

So really, Hinata definitely didn't fall behind the other rookie nin as nothing was shown to even suggest that after the timeskip, if anything she was behind before, and handidly caught up after.

The rest of the rookie nin aren't all that amazing like you're making them out to be. Even Sasuke, as strong as he got, is pathetic in terms of geniuses from the Uchiha clan. He's no Madara, he's no Shisui, he's no Itachi. And he never will be. Regardless how strong he got, we all know it was simply from bullshit powerup after bullshit powerup, not from being an actual genius.

The only rookie you can say definitely proved their worth above the others is Neji(who mastered main branch techniques simply by observing and wasn't taught a damn thing), Lee(a mini force of nature when he releases the gates), and Shikamaru(the only person other than Naruto who solo'd a member of the Akatsuki and won handidly. Not even Sasuke can boast that claim.)

Apologize for the long post but felt it needed to be said.

 

Agree with all of your arguments aside from this crap. I get that Sasuke gets a lot of a bad rap from everyone for the later stupidity that gave him his powerups; however the powerups after EMS were on the same level as Naruto.

Let's begin with Madara; the only true Madara battles we see are Madara in his prime. And Sasuke, at sixteen years of age, fought him better than all the Kage. This is before BS powerup. EMS is a debatable BS powerup, but considering you are comparing Sasuke to other Uchiha who had or potentially could have it I am keeping it in the argument. Place Sasuke in Madara's time period and it could be argued that by the time he reached Madara's age he could have been just as powerful or moreso. That said, he also could not have been. Stating that Sasuke was not as much a genius as Madara cannot be factual stated. Even conjecture to this point is quite weak.

Shisui. The weakest of the arguments considering we know very little about Shisui's power levels. We know he was a little below Itachi's level, so I'm just passing on this to Itachi.

Itachi was intelligent, but I would definitely say Sasuke is Itachi's equal or greater. He awoke the sharingan at a similar age as Itachi. He accomplished a heck of a lot in the Academy -without- the Uchiha Clan backing him and -with- the considerable trauma of the massacre. It also could be debated that Sasuke was purposefully held back. THere are numerous other points, but I'll just point to the occasions when both Zetsu (Main villain of the series imo) and Obito comment on Sasuke being stronger than Itachi. I believe them to be reliable.

Aside from comparisons, there are other arguments for Sasuke's genius. I feel that the character is unfairly biased against because of plot choices and fanon portrayals.

 

I'll start with your Itachi arguments. Sasuke became a genin at age 11-12. Itachi was promoted to Anbu at age 11, and was Anbu captain when he was 13. So no, Sasuke absolutely did not awaken his sharingan at a similar age as Itachi. Itachi awoke his Sharingan at age 8, a full 3-4 years sooner than Sasuke given that Sasuke became a genin at 11-12 and didn't unlock his sharingan until the Wave mission which i believe was said to be 6+ months after they were a team.

What Sasuke accomplished in the academy is comparing him to the other genin in his class. As an Uchiha who have magic hax eyes, he really should have done better. Yes, Sasuke was clearly top of the class, but look at his competition. It was pitiful. If Sasuke was in Neji's age group, he wouldn't have been top of the class most likely.

While yes, Sasuke didn't have the Uchiha clan backing him, its not like Itachi depended on them either. Sasuke had all he needed(the scrolls). Unless you really think Itachi was the type to go to his family(when he so clearly despised his father) for help on learning jutsu. No, he would have gotten the scrolls and learned them by himself or simply copy the jutsu with his sharingan.

Also, you do realize you citing Zetsu and Obito placating to Sasuke's ego to get him to be on their side right? They were simply buttering him up and he fell for it. You honestly can't believe Sasuke is Itachi's equal. Like do you really believe that?

Itachi was fucking toying with Sasuke the entire time they were fighting. Sasuke couldn't even touch him. At all. And this is all an Itachi who has a fucking death-crippling disease who's also pretty much fucking blind and doesn't have EMS because he refused to take his own brother's eyes.

Now with Madara. The whole EMS thing. The only documented Uchiha who had EMS was Madara. Itachi didn't have it, and look at all he accomplished. Shisui I thought was said to be even stronger than Itachi(though i'll take your word he was slightly below him) and even his legend proceeds him, he also didn't have EMS. So Sasuke not having EMS doesn't mean he was gimped compared to other Uchiha of importance given that there's only 1 Uchiha we know of aside from Sasuke that even had it, being Madara.

When I was using the term genius, I was referring to genius at fighting ability. Much like Neji was. Neji was much in the same position as Sasuke was. Did Neji have full backing of his clan? No, in fact its worse than simply not having the backing of his clan, he was looked down upon and treated like a servant. Did Neji let that stop him from learning techniques that was forbidden for him to learn and getting stronger? No, he learned by observing the main branches techniques whenever he could. Did Neji have magic eyes that does the copying for him and he doesn't even have to try? No, which is why I feel Sasuke couldn't hold a candle to Neji if the Sharingan wasn't so hax.

Sasuke is not a genius, despite what Kakashi was saying when they were younger. Neji is a genius. Lee is a genius at hardwork. Sasuke is neither of those.

But back to Madara, yes we only saw Madara fighting in his prime. But Madara also didn't get so many BS powerups stacked on top of each other like Sasuke. The whole cursed mark is a BS powerup just so he could keep up with Kyuubi mode. The whole Hashirama thing is a BS powerup. The body enhancement drugs that he took when he was with Orochimaru is a cop out as well.

All of Madara's power is Madara's alone. All of Itachi's power is Itachi's alone. Most of Sasuke's power is not his. Some come from Orochimaru's drugs, a lot comes from Orochimaru's cursed seal, and a lot still came from Hashirama.

So, no, i'm sorry to say Sasuke is not even anywhere near Itachi or Madara.

 

Sasuke's powerups may be bullshit, but it's important to remember that they are canon and that every Uchiha genius had the same bullshit powerups.

And to put it bluntly, I can't think of any S-class shinobi other than Sarutobi Hiruzen who didn't have a bullshit powerup. (Which is exactly why I dislike when fanfic authors give Sarutobi bullshit powerups.)

Edit: btw, didn't Sasuke actually awaken his Sharingan the night of the massacre and then forget it due to emotional trauma or something?

 

Do you know what talent means? Saying that Sakura isn't as good as Tsunade is irrelevant. She's in the same league after five years of training. She's better than Shizune at this point. Clearly she's a genius in the field.

When Kiba managed to pick up Sasuke's scent after he used a space/time jutsu to teleport away and Kakashi says "Your mother would be proud" it's pretty clear that his nose is one of the best in the clan. If every Inuzuka was that good then there's nothing to be proud about.

Shino was considered as being the top member of his team in the chuunin exams. Thus he's almost certainly the member of his team that was at the top of the class considering how the teams are picked. He's able to draw with Kankuro who's pushing chuunin level at that point. He also has the deadliest attack we've seen of his clan.

Chouji flattened Kakuzu after he got all his hearts back.

Except they did. Where were the rest of the Yamanaka clan when Ino was broadcasting across the battlefield?

Going up against Pain means nothing as she couldn't touch him. Attacking a superior oponent means nothing if you can't do anything by mildly inconvenience them.

Actually Sasuke is on par with Uchiha geniuses. There's one major handicap that Sasuke had that none of the rest had to deal with. He had to train himself. From 7 to 12 Sasuke was training himself and he still managed to stay ahead of the clan kids in his class. Look at Sasuke's learning curve when he's actually given hands on instruction. He learned lightning manipulation, chidori, Lee's fighting style, and significantly increased his speed in two weeks. With Orochimaru he became an S class shinobi in a few years. He also broke Itachi's Tsukuyomi without the MS. You can cry BS power up all you like but Sasuke's talent is the only reason he could take full advantage of his powers in the first place. For example him mixing the bijuu's chakra together so well that the Kyuubi was astonished. Also Itachi pulls BS out more than Sasuke. Sasuke's power ups are generally him using jutsu we suspect he has or increases the power of what he's already used before. Itachi pulls out jutsu never mentioned before that are perfect for the situation. Sasuke taking drugs to enhance his physical abilities is Sakura's speculation and seeing how much stronger he gets afterwards makes it not worth thinking about.

You're overstating it. Neji was taught the basic Gentle Fist and copied the advanced stuff which is directly based on it.

Edit: Itachi didn't have a bad relationship with his father until shortly before he died. So yeah I do think he was trained by his clan. There's also Shisui who seemed to be Itachi's mentor and likely trained him as well.

 

What other Uchiha genius had the cursed mark? What other Uchiha genius had the sage of the six paths give them a portion of his power? What other Uchiha genius aside from Madara had EMS?

And no, Sasuke didn't awaken Sharingan until he saved Naruto from Haku during the Wave mission.

If she was a genius, she would have surpassed Tsunade, but she didn't. Also, as far as Shizune, their relationship was never really master and apprentice. Shizune was simply Tsunades caretaker. So comparing Sakura to Shizune is a effort of futility. Shizune wasn't aiming, nor ever meant to learn all of Tsunade's techniques. Sakura was.

Kiba picked up a scent because thats what his clan does. Kakashi saying his mom would be proud is no different than a teacher saying to a student their parents would be proud they got an A on a test. It means Kiba did a good job on the mission he was appointed, not that Kiba has one of the best noses in the entire Inuzuka clan. And you sit there and say i'm overstating shit? Really?

And look at Shino's teammates. Kiba was nothing special, and Hinata i already discussed her issues before the chuunin exams. So who the fuck cares if Shino was the best on his team, you can't present that as evidence if his teammates were weak as fuck. That's like Saying Naruto wasn't absolute shit for a ninja for 85% of part 1 because he was better than Sakura. And again, it doesn't matter what his techniques were, its simply a clan technique. He learned something from his family, big whoop, does that mean he's the best Aburame to be seen for generations like you're making it out to be? No.

Chouji also almost got himself and Ino, and Kakashi killed in that very same fight and was only saved thanks to Kakashi being good and Shikamaru acting quickly. Your point?

Where were the other Yamanaka? They were fucking dead. The whole Intelligence division along with Ino's dad were killed because the 10 tails was blasting biju bombs aiming for the army HQ. You actually fucking think what Ino did is so crazy no other Yamanaka could do it? Ino's dad did it himself twice and this after he was already fatigued to begin with.

I'm sorry but i entirely disagree with the Sasuke bit. I've written a rather detailed post proclaiming why to someone else and nothing you've written has changed my view on things. If you haven't read it i suggest you do. Sasuke doesn't even hold a candle to Itachi. And Madara is likely even better than Itachi.

I'm sick of seeing this whole "sasuke had to train himself" trope. Neji trained himself, he still got strong and he didn't have hax eyes to do it. Itachi, while not expressly said, im sure trained himself. He was already at odds with his family and he's definitely the loner type with a high degree of independence. He would have taken it upon himself to train himself.

This is all completely foregoing logic that Sasuke had plenty of opportunities and people wishing to train him. Kakashi ditched his other 2/3rds of his team just to train Sasuke solely. Sasuke blamed Kakashi and the village for his weakness when Sasuke is the one who was weak. He didn't have a lack of people training him. He had a lack of power. Sasuke is no genius.

Sasuke has had 2 genius masters train him. And even with that still couldn't hold a candle to Itachi. I'm not going to go further into the Sasuke matter as its honestly ludicrous to even take seriously that Sasuke >= Itachi or Madara and i've already gone over it once in detail before a couple posts ago.

I'm not overstating Neji at all. He was taught the basic Gentle Fist yes, to teach himself everything more advanced past that by himself is nothing short of amazing. Why do you give an excuse for Sasuke that he didn't have anyone to teach him(even though he did) where as say i'm overstating for Neji given he literally had no one that was willing to teach him those techniques and styles that are reserved for the main branch.

I'm sorry but yes, Itachi was at odds with his father long before "recently" before his death. There's only 1 flashback which shows they were cordial and thats when Itachi's father showed Itachi the Goukyaku no Jutsu and he learned it instantly. The rest of the flashbacks showed Itachi talking with the Hokage long the massacre and he never agreed with his father's idealogies. It wasn't like it simply came to a head, Itachi was a pacifist who hated war. And with the way the Uchiha were acting and planning, he was against from the very start, which is why Itachi's father couldn't understand him because Itachi was keeping himself distant from his father.

Edit: I forgot the Itachi/Sensui thing. Nothing suggests Sensui was anything more than a close friend to Itachi. Nothing suggests that Sensui was his mentor/teacher. They were simply friends. Like Kakashi/Gai.(not that they had the same rival dynamic as them, just that they were merely good friends.)

 

Sasuke is a genius. It is a canon-stated fact. Live with it. He awakened his sharingan after the massacre when he pursued Itachi, which means he awakened his sharingan at the age of eight.

As for Sakura not surpassing Tsunade. You really don't have a lot of respect for Tsunade do you? She is Sannin for crying out loud. Even equalling her feats should be enough to classify someone as a genius. Sakura does that and more. Not to mention Sakura is still in her teens and has been said to have more potential than Tsunade by the likes of Kakashi and Chiyo.

 

Butthurt, butthurt everywhere.

 

Sorry, but Sakura is in no way or shape equal to Tsunade. Tsunade was not only fighting Madara and putting in at least some work, she also managed to keep all the Kage alive and still kept fighting despite being cut in fucking half.

Sakura didn't do shit combat wise thats particularly noteworthy, and we're not even going to mention the bullshit punch to Kaguya because we're not going to mention that.

Sasuke is not a genius, you can say just because the words "Sasuke, you're a genius" appeared in the manga that its canonly fact all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that even using 100% facts from the manga, Sasuke isn't a genius-level Uchiha.

Sasuke did not awaken his Sharingan when he was 8. Please stop making shit up. Chapters 145 and 146 are the chapters that show the flashbacks directly to the timeframe you are referring to. And Sasuke did NOT awaken his sharingan when he went after Itachi after he found his parents dead.

Sasuke, for the last time, did not awaken his Sharingan until he saved Naruto from Haku during the wave mission. And if you don't believe me then before you deny it again, give me the chapter numbers that prove me wrong and i'll gladly insert my foot in my mouth, unwashed.

Seriously done arguing the Sasuke angle. The only people who, despite all the shit I pointed out that was 100% taken from the manga and not the anime, who could still say Sasuke >= Itachi are fanboys plain and simple. I hate to sound so dismissive of peoples beliefs when it comes to manga as they are somewhat open to interpretation but...in this instance its true.

 

While you're ignoring the punch she landed on Kaguya why don't you also ignore the fight she had with Sasori? Or the fact that she healed Kankuro a feat only Tsunade was believed to be capable of. Lets also ignore that she had taken out a Pein summon with a single punch.
If you're gonna disregard canon events just 'cause you don't like them its futile having this discussion because you are not arguing on facts anymore.

As for regarding Sasuke's awakening of sharingan, sharing the wiki page should suffice.

naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasuke

You don't need to go farther than the background to confirm what I was saying.

Feel free to insert that foot in your mouth.

 

You're just making things up now. The second most talented medic ninja in the series isn't a genius because she didn't surpass the first? No, that's nonsense. I also think it's pretty clear that Tsunade took Shizune under her wing considering that Tsunade left after the 2nd shinobi war. You know when Shizune was a child.

Kiba picked up a scent after Sasuke teleported miles away from the location. It's then stated that his nose is better than a dog's that a ninja. Clearly he's above par.

The point was that as all teams are set up based on their position in the class Shino being the best in his team means that he was towards the top of his entire class. Shino also has other feats like fighting Kankuro and such.

I'm referring to the fight where Chouji actually defeated Kakuzu not where Naruto came in to save them. During the war.

Ino's father was hooked up to a machine designed to make it easier where Ino was not. Also it's not implied that her entire clan is dead. I believe they helped redirect one of the Juubi's attacks.

You comparing Neji to Sasuke is erroneous. Neji didn't train himself. Neji learned 90% of the gentle fist fighting style because he's expected to guard the Main Branch. He then figured out two jutsu of the remaining 10% by spying on the main branch. Sasuke taught himself everything. Assuming Itachi did the same is baseless. Fugaku is shown to give Itachi a lot of attention. Shisui is about 5 years older than Itachi and we see Itachi following his nindo so we can say that he was Itachi's mentor.

You're referring to Kakashi training Sasuke for 2 weeks and only because he'd have died against Gaara otherwise. During the time period Kakashi trained Sasuke he learned more than 10 years worth of material. That's not genius speed? Orochimaru directly stated that Sasuke makes the fact that he was called a genius as a kid laughable. Your argument that Sasuke couldn't hold a candle to Itachi is kind of ridiculous as a month after Sasuke got the MS he was on par with him.

He didn't teach himself everything. He taught himself two jutsu and then Hiashi started treating him equally to his kids. Learning two jutsu by yourself doesn't equal completely teaching yourself to fight along with mastering all your family jutsu on your own. That's not even getting to the fact that Sasuke is a jutsu inventor. He's made quite a few powerful jutsu and he can even create jutsu on the spot which is talent that Neji has never displayed.

There's only like three flashbacks of Itachi with his father and they're all towards the end of their relationship. You extrapolating that their entire relationship has always been bad from that is ridiculous. Itachi aged 7-9? Before he knew about the coup plan? It's all likely time he was trained by Fugaku or other clan members.

As I said before Shisui is like the Naruto to Itachi's Konohamaru. Itachi followed his whole being a shinobi from the shadow nindo. Shisui likely taught Itachi some things.

Sasuke's talent has been compared to Itachi, Orochimaru, Nagato, and Madara. You're gonna assume that's all a fluke? I think if Fugaku was around to train Sasuke properly there's a good chance that he'd be a jounin at 14 or so.

Also kid Sasuke's sharingan is shown in chapter 403.

As far as talent genius in the series goes I'd have it tiered something like this. Note I'm not adding everyone.

Hashirama, Hiruzen, Madara, Sasuke, Itachi
Nagato, Kakashi, Orochimaru
Gaara, Tsunade, Sasori
Neji, Sakura

 

Sakura barely did anything in that fight. Chiyo did 80% of the work in that fight. And I don't know if you know this but medical ninja aren't that numerous period. Also, whats your point about Sakura healing Kankuro? I never denied she was a good healer(which medic nin were few and far between in the first place since there were pretty much none until Tsunade became hokage herself to begin with). Just that she wasn't better than Tsunade.

Also when did Sakura ever fight Pein?

Okay, i'll acquiesce the Shizune thing, but I stand by what I said about Sakura

First off, the dog in question is a not a "ninja dog" in the same way the dogs of the Inuzuka clan are. It's simply a summon just like the frogs Naruto summons. Secondly, who knew that Kiba could smell really well, oh my gosh, its like thats the theme of the entire clan. That they're experts in tracking and using their noses. Above par...what a joke. He did his job. As an Inuzuka. Just like if a Hyuuga was brought along, their job would have been to "see" the target. If a Hyuuga actually "saw" a target, do you think they'd be considered above par? No, thats what they were there for in the first god damn place.

Inuzuka's clearly know more about tracking than Kakashi's dog summons. Thats what they're all about. Tracking and fighting ferally like the dogs they grow up with.

Even if Shino was near the top of the class in the academy, who the fuck cares? Where was fucking Naruto? The bottom, i rest my case. That aside, all that shit was part 1 shit which has no bearing on shippuden. Sakura was absolutely useless for all of part 1 which obviously has no bearing on shippuden.

As for Chouji, sorry had wrong fight in mind but even then you act like Chouji 1v1'd him. The extent of Chouji actually had with Kakuzu during the war was essentially akin to a cheapshot giant fist smash. Darui and co were the ones who were actually fighting Kakuzu. So its kinda bullshit to say Chouji was the one who "defeated Kakuzu". Most of the legwork was done before he even got there.

Bullshit don't even try to downplay Ino's dad like that. No where was it stated or even hinted at that the shit he was hooked up to made anything he did any easier. Not to mention before he gave the broadcast to everyone, he'd been hard at work for pretty much fucking 24+ hours relaying other messages and strategies.

Neji was taught the Basic Gentle fist style, but anything past that he taught himself. That's called training oneself where i'm from. You can say he was spying on the main branch all the fuck you want, he still taught himself. Sasuke got the sharingan during the wave mission, with it a mere look and he learns a jutsu and fighting style. It's how he was able to steal Lee's fighting style. So get the fuck out of here acting like Sasuke is so great while Neji is beneath him. Seriously.

You are attributing much of Sasuke's learning speed to Sasuke, and not the sharingan. Anyone with the Sharingan who wasn't an abject failure like Obito would have done just as well if not better. It literally makes learning shit as simple as keeping your eyes open. Or is this news to you?

Sasuke, on par with Itachi after a month he got MS? Are you fucking kidding??? Bee absolutely OBLITERATED Sasuke and he wasn't even going for the kill or trying hard AT ALL. For all we know that Bee is capable of, he literally was TOYING with Sasuke and simply used the situation to leave the Cloud village for awhile.

You fucking seriously think Sasuke surpassed Itachi with that fucking display? I'm seriously shocked you're that dense. Sasuke didn't surpass Itachi until after Hagoromo gave him the sage power up. And even then i'd honestly say that Itachi was still better than Sasuke in everyway, or do you not remember Itachi SOLOING motherfucking Nagato, who's had over a decade to master the Rinnegan. Not to mention putting down Kabuto with such ease and finesse when he was a rather powerful and tricky foe to beat at the time.

I don't care if Sasuke's talent was compared to fucking God himself. Do you read the manga and take the words at face value? Fucking facts : Itachi vs Sasuke, Itachi went into that fight wanting Sasuke to kill him to give him MS and also for him to take his eyes so he could get EMS and wasn't trying, and despite that Sasuke still couldn't touch him.

Facts: Sasuke with MS after Itachi's death almost got murked by Bee and was only saved thanks to Jugo(aka plot armor for the fact that Bee didn't simply kill all of them), otherwise would have straight up died.

Facts: Most of Sasuke's power isn't actually Sasuke's to begin with whereas all of Itachi's power is fully his. Despite this fact, he still lags behind Itachi.

All that shit about Shisui being Itachi's mentor is so nice considering its not backed up in the slightest in the manga. See when I make leaps of faith, people like that people jump down my throat about interpreting it a certain way...including you. Yet when you do it, its true. Funny how that is huh?

As for you actually showing me a manga chapter with Sasuke having the Sharingan during the massacre, its about the only decent thing in your entire post so i thank you for that. And while I could point out what should be obvious, that it was a retcon by Kishimoto that was put in place to try to elevate Sasuke's "feats" list and make him seem stronger than Itachi and make future powerups more believable, i won't do that. What I will say is, okay, he had the sharingan due to the overwhelming hate he had for Itachi, so what?

That's all I have to say. So what? It's almost like I got the best car in the fucking world one day, I parked it in a parking garage and was mugged and forgot about me getting the car. Years later I manage to buy that same car again. And i actually drive it around this time. Years later, i remember that i had bought this car and i parked it in the garage down the street...shit I bought the same car twice.

So yea...so what?