Okaaaaaay.

I reread the thread.

The people I feel the worst about atm are

Atum (His play is odd and Bill's pressure on him feels real. Defending himself in as many words as possible but not answering parts of posts or ignoring them. But I like the cut of his jib)

Fluffy (This guy likes orange. He's obv scum. But he claimed I was scum for omgusing, then backed off with a joke vote, then got pressured for said joke vote and then REVOTED ME FOR OMGUSing. Scummish)

Citrus/Kento (They have literally done nothing. Well kento did a grammar thingy and said sup, but other then that, meh)

People I'm ehhh null/unsure about

Irene (she's busy irl and I'd like to see more)

Riley (uhh complained about the thread getting cluttered, but didn't post much. Wasn't hesitant to give opinions which I liked)

Fonti (Voted Fluffy for being a hypocrite, and expressed support of Bill's pressure on Atum, need more to townfirm though)

The rest of you are fabulous.

 

Reading through finally

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Note from the setup - if we lynch Allocen early enough, it's basically auto-win right? Probably discussed already

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K.

Vote: Luckylee

I lol'd

Soooo so far I'm thinking lean!Town on Titus, lean!Town on Rubicon, lean!Town on Snowvon, Fontisian is more null than I'd expect her to be with the number of posts she's made today, Atum's backtracking a bit.

Uhh. So usually when I think I've figured out a way to break the game I'm wrong, but I think I found a way to break the game? Uhh it was stated flavor has no bearing on the game itself right?

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Oh and my vote on Lucky is RVS but is also an actual vote as of me finishing reading the thread, in case that's not clear

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Mmmmrrrkkk. I think there's an abusable aspect to the setup, but if I'm wrong I can really fuck us over. Crappers.

 

The only time I have seen he/she/their capitalized is at the beginning of a sentence feels kind of strange seeing it.(

Just as a reminder, I have a full time job with no internet on my phone, I have about 2 hours per week-night to post stuff cause I have a stationary computer. I mostly write my ideas down physically at work and consolidate them later, so I tend to lag behind.(Zenzao/LuckyLee) Any questions directed at me yet? I'm still mulling over power interactions at the moment.

 

Better to ignore the abusable thing for now, if I think I've cracked it in a useful way I'll bring it up again later.

So uhhh. Any reads/leans on any of the living players yet then, Kento?

 

Okay I'll wait.

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I'm 90% sure I know what you're talking about. I'm not sure it's actually breakable though.

What are you thinking about Lucky?

 

You'll post more on your own, no real prodding necessary from anyone else. And IIRC, you v MB was mainly coming from Mathblade more than you last night when Rubicon asked for opinions on other players.

I didn't see much else to note about you or MB at the time.

Atum's wagon certainly has wheels. Bill Door, myself, and Rubicon now have suspected him.

UNVOTE Rubicon
VOTE Titus

Maybe I'm wrong here, but no, it really isn't more productive to wagon someone when we've barely begun the Day. I'd think we'd all learned that lesson after Batmafia 2 - Scum can pile on if town has laid the wagon nice and fat for them already. You'd know this, since it was your plan(as memory serves) for getting rid of the competition last game.

And you don't feel the same about my own attempts to defend myself?

Man, I'm always defensive when I get called on something that I don't see as being a problem. The opening flavor wasn't flavor - it was a small WBA entry, so yes, I felt compelled to make note of errors, especially since it is supposed to be based off of the mods' actual writing for a story.

Unless y'all are seeing something I don't, the rest of the thread to the point I posted didn't really attribute anything of value. The barebones I said when asked by Rubicon later is just that- bare, hardly notation worthy.

Good grief, what was I supposed to have said in my opening post then, that player A is riding player B again, player C D E needs to post more? You voted Blab right out of the gate, should I have voted for you, then, as that certainly isn't suspicious at all?

I'm trying things a little bolder this game. I was bitched out previously for withholding votes until later in the Day. Since so many of the rest of us are voting in RVS now I joined in - and I knew when I was doing it that there would be accusations of OMGUSing. I stand by my decision. Atum is scummy for reading motivations that don't exist in my opening post and trying to begin a myslynch on me - then falling back on Riley's argument rather than build his own to support it. I'm gonna go out on a limb and reject that outcome. I don't know if this is 3P Atum or what, but I don't have him as town right now. Neutral leaning scum/3P.

Why? Or, rather, does anything I've said change your opinion?

Alright, last game I tried to mimic my CYS behavior as much as possible to disguise that I was Scum. But I fell into the same traps that most Scum do - posting rarely, using excuses(even real, but still especially convenient excuses) to get out of posting, and laying votes that are suspect. I am not Scum in this game. I'm trying to learn and progress as a player, but there should still be more obvious cues on my alignment that I haven't noticed giving - you were dead-on right on Titus last game early on.

Rubicon has been at least partially evasive until confronted on an issue in a way that cannot be easily ignored.

At the moment the only times I can recall seeing he/she capitalized is from the Dresden Files, when characters are referring to God. Since it popped up multiple times throughout the flavor here I figured the Jesters were granted a higher-power kind of status.

As for questions - any opinion Atum, Bill Door, or Titus?

 

Ugh. I feel slow and fuzzy this game. Irritating.

Reasonably certain Citrus, Atum, Bill Door and Zenzao are town. (Citrus for the attempt to break the game, Atum for his obstinate in dealing with Bill Door, Bill Door for his unusual level of focus, and Zenzao for clearly not giving a shit about his appearance.)

Fluff is very likely scum, from the way he jumped to vote Lucky after being called on not voting him. Titus and Luckylee make me feel vaguely uncomfortable, for the excessive fluff and excessive seriousness respectively.

On that note, I don't particularly find mechanics questions useful, but if Irene thinks they'll do something for her, then everyone should do her the courtesy of answering them. Here, I'll give an example:

From most useful to least: Brittany, Zola, Tia.

Brittany is a watcher role, who can nail fakeclaiming scum to the wall, confirm town powerroles, catch scum in the act of killing if we can take out their Ninja role, and use their judgement to decide if someone is targetting a player for benign or malign purposes. Simply by being alive, she makes scum worried about their night actions.

Zola is useful in the hands of a skilled player, and has a chance of making scum shoot themselves or an scummy townie. Extremely powerful if we go to endgame, when the odds of a kill rebounding to hit scum increase. Not so useful if they target another powerrole, but that's not the worst in the world.

Tia is just a stopgap, useful in keeping a player scum want dead another night, but not contributing to the scum/town ratio at all. Good in the hands of a scummy/weak player, fairly worthless in the hands of a stronger townie.

Now, the rest of try.

On a broader scale, the habit that has started up of completely ignoring questions (as opposed to "I'm going to avoid answering this for now, but I will get back to you once it's not longer detrimental to town" or explaining why your answer would be bad for town) is shitty and needs to stop.

 

Section One: Conversation between luckylee, fluffiness and blab and fonti

Alright this is very very long post. Complete up to page 10. Labelled each section for your convenience. Will provide tl;dr after each section

So this was a normal convo at the start, nothing really harmful. Random voting of each other. Fluffiness switches to snowvon for meta reasons. Then...

This ticked me off a little. Fluffiness calls short answers the worst kind but he has been giving nothing but short answers. Strike one.

Blab's question here though was a little weird. I think it is pretty self-explanatory that Fluffiness moved off to Snowvon for meta reasons and the first votes of the weren't actually serious. A little grasping at straws here. Still, fluffiness is a little scummier.

Wow. Fluffiness. To quote fonti:

However, unlike fonti I know next to nothing about fluffiness so my instinct is that it is simply too idiotic to be scum, so... probably stupid!Townie. Also, Billdoor doesn't think much of this (partly being occupied with Atum) but yeah I feel like this was idiotic but overblown.

And here fonti puzzled me a little because from the previous to this post fluffiness didn't anything so this sudden change of mind is a little jarring to say the least.

At this point fluffiness was simply a scum too stupid to live or a townie that is very bad at communicating his thoughts.

Alright. Feels a little... I'm not unconvinced by I don't totally buy it. I'm watching you fluffiness. But I feel he's leaning on townie. Not the sharpest tool in the box, but he doesn't have the scummy feel.

So with that conclusion, let us examine the three people bandwagoning on fluffiness.

A: The Read on Blab so far:

I'll be honest. This:

 

Not particularly.

-Blab, Polysemous, Irene and Bill Door, I know nothing about so I'm waiting to see what they say.
-I only know fontisian, Luckylee and The Waco Kid from Qgqqqqq's filler game.
-Atum, his fluffiness, Zenzao, and Riley tend to be a bit more on the quite side in games.
-Snowvon is bouncing around fluffing.
-You(Citrus) have joined the brawl.
-Mathblade and Titus are going at it like true siblings
-Rubicon seems to be playing similar to what I can remember from Batmafia 2.

 

Oh man, I've missed tl:dr cases. Thank you, Irene.

As a general comment, I think you're taking a lot of the RVS' bullshit too seriously, particularly in Rubicon and Blab's cases.

The whole thing was long enough that I suspect you came up with the Atum/Bill Door/ Zenzao town reads on your own instead mimicking my reads, which is lovely.

Anyway, let's do this:

Could you be more specific? What echo thing exactly?

Except I never changed my mind. I took some time to think about it, and concluded that fluff would be bad enough scum to that and that the scramble to correct a perceived mistake is significantly more likely to come from a scum mindset than a town one.

1. I usually ignore Math. I adore the woman, but she tends to latch onto things because of a poor understanding of tone and sarcasm. Paying too much attention to it gives me a headache.
2.I never implied Atum was scummy. I was trying to get him to reassess his read on Zenzao and contribute more, because I want him to improve as player. Even then, it was fairly obvious that the Zenzao/Atum/Bill Door grouping was town. That doesn't mean I'm going to bail him out of problems he created.
3.Again, what do you mean by echoing?

Rubicon and I have played together enough times for me to be completely sure that he knew I was calling him a moron.

1. It what ways have I been unreasonable/weird/whatever?
2. The last bit is interesting. Would you mind expounding on it so I can improve my scum game?

Finally, if you could explain exactly why you think Fluff is competent enough song to not jump like that, I'd love to convince you otherwise.

 

What's your experience with town rubi, out of curiosity?

 

Yo. Irene. So why is it when I poke Kento, I'm doing nothing, but when you do it it's pressuring?

It seems like you ignored the very first post on this page when ya read me.

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Oh and Citrus, come at me, bro.

 

Yo, Rubicon, look at Fluff for me.

 

KK, you are the second person at least to say Mathand I are going at it. This is wrong. Why do you say so?

 

I'm where Irene is regarding fluffiness. #62 is definitely scummy. His explanation is okay, could be made up, needs more information but he needs to step the fuck up.

What made me correctly read him as town in BatMafia was a lot of activity (top of the activity list) in his first game plus actively going after stronger players. Here he has nine insubstantial posts and has attacked one of the easiest mislynch targets.

(Your point about Irene and RVS stuff can extend to him as well, though.)

 

How so?

Fluff's jump to vote Luckylee the moment it was pointed out that a townie would be voting for Lucky was not related to RVS.

 

This is the meat of my reasoning about blab, Irene.

My question was hard for him to answer. Good, let's see how he handles a challenge. By straight up admitting he didn't know how to respond -- which I feel like scum-blab would want to hide -- and then following into something he saw as illogical from me. You don't think that looks town?

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I mean what she says about this line:

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Atum's reasons for attacking Zenzao are actually pretty bad, the more I read them.

And this just doesn't read like something Atum would say if he truly believed Zenzao were scum.

 

Ah. I don't really care, because any reasoning that gets people to agree with me is good reasoning, but, yeah.

Why aren't you helping me lynch Fluff?

 

Why aren't you helping me lynch Atum? lol

 

I think Atum is obvious town, from the way he refused to back down to me, Bill Door and you, even though it was clearly in his best interest.

You agree that Fluff is likely scum, but aren't helping with his lynch and are limiting your language to "agreeing with Irene," even though Irene explicitly put Fluff as a light town read.