Your turn to be voted because this is enough and tbh sours my desire to play.

1) During BatMafia 2 no one said "That never happened." I made some errors when typing but that is being human. You completely have written me off as a viable player so much so that you don't even try to pretend. Hell if you think I suck and am beyond repair the proper thing to do for sportsmanship is to ignore my reads and maybe ask a question everyonce in a while.

Secondly I have about a 30 ish percent rare of finding a scum in the first day or two in my games. Obscenely high, no. However a record of always being wrong especially with the past few games that were scum victories on another site and BT2 where nailed half of mafia DOES imply improvement.

Therefore respectfully you can take your MathBlade sucks never listen to her arguments where the sun don't shine. You aren't even trying to figure out my alignment as you doubt cast either.

I am done with you thinking it is okay to outright insult me and act like you are better than me.

Vote: Fontisian

Very limited posting today and tomorrow.
Have RL to attend to.

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Why is Atum obv!Town? Pretend I don't get it.

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Name the four people you think are group scum and the two you think are 3P.

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I like this quote from Bill Door and both of is tunneling each other without reason is why no one suspected us as a team and lead to a perfect game. However the player who is the scum has to be taken into consideration.

Therefore I think that Atum is town not because it is stupid but it is different than recent scum play.

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Merged thoughts.

Both bji and I tunneling each other lead to a perfect game. Different site*

 

Maybe I've grown more mature and splendid, and it's confusing you?

 

impossible.

I am not that far yet, partly because I've refused to look at certain people yet, but sure, I'll give you a readwall.

 

I don't really know, because I was lynched so early. I only remember Fontisian/Titus relatively distinctly

 

Alright, Polysemous is probably town. Don't really agree with his analysis (except for on Waco), but think it comes from a town perspective wanting to contribute.

Also a townread on Bill because because he is doing Bill things if that makes sense. Like finding something and then keep poking at it, post length.
Which makes his Poly read all the more annoying.

Snowvon is town because Scum!von wouldn't dare to engage my mad skillz like that. Not much of a read on him since then. But content to ignore him for the weekend.

Zen is making one gaffe after another and I think he is town because I don't think he has spent a millisecond time thinking about how he his posts would be perceived before posting them. Would have to read Batmafia 2 to be more sure, but no.

Rubicon is inquisitive enough, but I remember him being more divisive. I don't know, he takes the WH4 bar at least.

Fontisian and Irene are an unaligned pair, because even they would not fake a 10.000 word yelling match. I'm currently trying to get into Irene's head and fontisian, well, I was just fooled by her so let me be a bit more conservative this time. Like, I have the thoughts "is this how she buses now" "is this a doubtcast", etc, but probably half of those are because I don't want to be wrong about her twice in a row and that's weakness.
Gun to my head fontisian=town.
Just know that she is scum if I die pointing at her.

fluffiness is scum for both his responses. It has been talked about, but it's the placating, justifying of the first and the petulance of the second post, and the ignoring of the possibility that I could be scum.

Lucky is just wrong, but he doesn't fit with his fluffyness, because I don't think he would be that much of an asshole with distancing (see his LOOOOOOOOOOOL post). Maybe they are third party and scum, eh.

Waco is bad. "^THIS!! I want people to have to talk about people the might not have otherwise. I want to see the reactions to me asking the questions, and the reactions to the answers." This is a "look, somebody else said that what I am doing is so town!" post. Also it's so generic, that I actually think he put 0 thought into whom he would ask about who.
Eh, maybe I can sort of see the ask everyone who I don't know about everyone else who I don't know. He forgot me, so it's not systematic. Slight Scumread.

I don't understand how Titus thinks (no shit!) what she is doing right now is more productive then what she does normally. I am a bit discouraged about trying to read her. Can I just pretend she doesn't exist until I have made sense of the world and then tackle that?

I forgot Kento is playing so he is probably scum?
Meh, I don't like his only content-post (his last). he is coasting. Questions on the level of "Irene why have you spent the least time of your wall on the player with the least posts."

Mathblade
Oh god. I think you probably town, but I couldn't actually tell you how I would expect scum!math to play, because all of your scumgame that I remember is "extremly awkward". Just know that I will lynch you if you come up with a random cop-check.
You realize that this:

is about as good as randomly guessing? Not helping your point.
Anyway, you need to stop making assumptions, treating them as fact, combine those facts to make next-level-assumption, treat them as fact, etc. Like, your ability to combinate is great, but your accurracy is going down the drain with each assumption. So, plese, keep it simple. No, I don't say that just for my mental health.

I have no feelings whatsoever about Citrus. Like I could see both scum!Citrus and town!Citrus post all of his posts.

Riley is town for putting pressure on somebody relatively early. Not much but, he'll probably slip if he isn't.

I don't think Atum's "abrasiveness" is in line with his temperament. I think he is doing it on purpose, but I can actually see even town!Atum doing it. I have felt like I need to do something to improve my ability to actually drive lynches since basically my second game.



ok, something like:
Survivor/Souper: Rubicon/Luckylee

his fluffiness/Irene/Atum/someone lurking let's say Kento

don't see anything that makes that improbable.

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Someone else do it them. 10 townpoints.

 

It's not so much a scumread on Poly as it was me pointing out how stupid his belief in scum's abilities is. I still haven't decided if I think he's scum or just inexperienced. I don't like stuff like #191 where he's making pre-emptive excuses for low d1 activity.

 

blab, I am trying to avoid my weaknesses (mainly being to sure too early) bymerely focusing on keeping the group towards what we should be doing and sorting relationships later.
Irene, your wallposts indicate you are a meta player. Do you have my town meta in something beyond CYS? You referenced Batmafia and CYS.

 

In what way did that post have any content? It was just him being very careful to not state any opinion or take any side on anything.

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I bet you can't even say that with a straight face.

 

At least I'm not Less Wrong.

 

The site? /10char

 

I dunno, I wouldn't put it past you to try and start a cult one of these days...

 

Honestly, it's not the abrasiveness that Atum has shown that has me keeping an eye on him. He was similarly so in the 2 filler games I played with him. What concerns me more is the style and types of posts. In the games I played with him (he was town both times) he mainly lurked, and every post was deliberate and thought out, even if that wasn't apparent at the time. Here however, he posted ore in the first 24 hours than he did in each of the 2 games I played with him ( he lasted multiple Days in each), and he seems a bit more concerned about image and people reactions to him. It's something I'm going to be keeping an eye on.

 

I questioned Irene about Citrus because he was the only person whom had posted less than I have in the first 5(10) pages. Considering that suspicions steamed from lack of posts/post content I wanted to know her opinion on someone whom she had read nothing from yet.

Ok Bill here's an opinion for you. Why have you been focusing so much on the people whom are known to post less?
The majority of your posts have been focused on Atum, whom from my experience only pops into a game every now and then when he is needed. You made a quick comment about Riley, Polysemous and Zenzao. But avoided Irene. Now you have been making comments about me.

 

Still don't understand Atum's read on Citrus before Citrus had posted tho.

Bill Door's recent posts (#256, #266, #268) have moved him to the town side of my reads.

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Your view of why Rubicon is scummy changes greatly in a span of 7 posts. Furthermore, if I see the logic "scum cannot be that stupid" again, I will be voting on principle. It reminds me of a signature I saw here on DLP when I was a lurker that contained a quote and reply: "Surely an intelligent person wouldn't do something that stuipd as scum?" With the reply, "You've not played much mafia here have you."

You've done a nice job of describing yourself

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Anyway, I'm going to be gone pretty much the rest of the weekend, outside of maybe being able to check in during my break tomorrow.

 

That's not an opinion, that's a question with a vague insinuation at an opinion. 10/10

Fun fact, Atum has the 4th most posts in this thread. Not exactly posting rarely there. And well there are several reasons why those are the people I've focused on. Because I felt like it is the biggest one. Because they said something notable, or notably didn't say anything. And because the people that usually post less are surely the best people to get to post. And I ignored Irene because holy shit the words...

Now, you still haven't given an opnion. Try again.

 

Unvote

Went through all Lucky's posts, moving him back to null. Nothing really pings me as a scum-tell from him, and the few posts that felt a bit suspicious are things I could see him doing as town too.

Willing to put Bill Door in the town-pile for now based off Irene's post + how others have agreed with it.

Kinda feeling town-lean on Waco Kid.

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Vote: Atum

Feeling more Atum for now. His sharp shift in posting quantity is actually a pretty big scum-tell in my opinion -> the last few games he's kept a similar style across a range of power/vanilla roles.

 

Yeah. I can't recall any other instance in which that would be done on purpose and make sense.

Really, nothing on BillDoor? He's been rather one-track in his determination to get something out of Atum, I'd say that at least is something to consider for thought - whether or not that's town behavior is another thing.

I'm going to do what I've done before and respect the opinion of a few other players regarding Atum at this point - he's not playing like I recall him playing as 3P in CYS - and place him as tentative town lean.

As for Titus, given we were both her Scummates last game, it shouldn't necessarily be hard to place certain behaviors, which is partly why I suspect she's gone into this game with her 'trolling' mood.
Irene
I concur with a lot of what you've said. I read it last night and I need to read it again before going in depth on anything, but the gist makes sense to me.

UNVOTE Titus
VOTE Rubicon

 

In the only other game I've played with him, he was scum and was a lot more careful in his posts. Scum would not start a game with troll posts given the propensity to backfire unless they have a habit of doing it.

This is why I town-read him.

bill, I'll ammend my statement to be: scum Atum cannot be that stupid because I've seen him play scum.

Citrus, can you link to an Atum Vanilla Town game so I can compare his posting habits?

 

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=27471

Not vanilla per se, but the closest to it in that game - Coroner where it never came into play. As far as town power, I'd expect someone to play as a vanilla with that role

 

So because he didn't make that mistake before he is completely incapable of ever making it?