I'll be honest, seeing my name this many times D1 is pretty cool.

Rubicon:

his fluffiness - responded pretty shittily to pressure, especially considering his town meta. In Batmafia, when I pressed him D1, he had a decent rebuttal and kept coming back for more. And he was town. Meanwhile here, once the wagon on him had some prominent support and attention we got some half-hearted defense and explanation of his scumread on Lucky and not much more. Under these circumstances, in my head he's either got RL stuff slowing him down or he's scum/3p. Scum probably, since I'd expect an HF 3p to try and play from a solidly town mindset, especially D1. Extra especially given the 3p roles.

Luckylee - Eh, less...prominent than I've come to expect of him. Somehown, his recent response to Irene looks pretty out of character to me, but then I don't know Lucky the best. Seems like a DLP-style respect(?) to a veteran member or at least that makes the most sense to me. But it isn't really alignment indicative since I can't imagine an iteration of Luckylee whose mindset would lead him to explain his own meta to Irene.

Polysemous - Pretty scarily in my head. When I combine that with how quickly and surely he scumread me in WH4 I feel a little better about him. At first I kinda figured I was getting buttered up for some long term scum strategy maybe, but then I remembered that he might just be frighteningly good at reading me. His latest post has confirmed that he mostly gets it and that I'll have to up my scum game considerably if he's playing town in later games. Call it a mid-level town read, with the huge potential to go rapidly south.

Titus - Probably town. At least I'm not getting the immediate and hard to explain scumvibes that were so hard to explain in Batmafia. Though I'm worried that this new troll thing is just supposed to make her harder to read by so draatically altering her mannerisms and idiosyncracies. It'll probably take a bit to see the common trends between these posts and her usual stuff so she's null in my head.

If you're asking about that post in isolation: I have authority issues and I'm not sure I ever stopped looking at fonti as a mafia mentor/yardstick.

If you're asking about my opening to D1, I'd say both. Just consider it another charming aspect of my personality that I may, from time to time, feel comfortable sharing with you people.

Bill Door: What people and what townreads are the most concerning to you?

Zenzao: Where do you stand now in regards to reads?

Irene: Why would one of those 3 be your killer?

 

Atom, you're town reading Poly because he's town reading you?

Also, sorry for my absence, I was in the an area with zero internet connection.

 

Hey Atum. Answer the question.

 

I’m back, baby. Let’s do this.
Fontisian
Atum
Bill Door
Zenzao
Citrus
Snowvon
Blab Riley
Polysemous
Irene
Mathblade
Kento Kraitos
The Waco Kid
Titus
Rubicon
Luckylee
his fluffiness


Atum’s refusal to fully answer questions from me, Bill Door and Rubicon means he’s has no sense of self-preservation. Bill Door’s proactive push on Atum is town!Door. Zenzao similarly has no sense of preservation, and is trying to be proactive in his own way. Citrus attempting to break mechanics but not sharing the details is thoroughly Towntrus. Von’s excitement spiel at the beginning of the game was genuine and he’s just town. The order they’re in is basically their expected ability to fool me. Moving on.


Blab is slightly town. His opening was productive in a way that was not designed to look very town, and he’s smart enough to not blatantly sheep me as scum.

Riley is focused and not wordy. I believe he tends to draw his statements out more as scum. Anyone who confirms that for me gets town points. Maybe.

Polysemous calling Atum obvious town is concerning, as he did it shortly after Irene and I said the same and he lacks the experience to back up that statement. The reaction to my questioning was calm enough, the town read of Atum actually dates back to a while before my post, and the fact that he’s on the right side of the argument means he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Irene's alignment is entirely dependent on his fluffiness. If fluff is scum, then I want to murder the fuck out of her for the halfhearted defense, and, above all else, the constant comparisons of him to other players reads-wise (it's happened three times now). Possible that she’s just wrong, but the consistent language choice says otherwise. If he's town, then Irene is probably being useful and pushing actual scum, regardless of her alignment, which makes her a self-resolving problem. Accordingly, if Rubicon, blab, Citrus and I are dead and she's still alive around Day 3 or 4, lynch her, no matter how accurate or persuasive she's been. I’m going to put her higher on my readlist to encourage her getting shot.

Kento is generally absent. He had a fairly strong scum newbie game in the part of Batmafia that I paid attention to, so his lack of useful content now actually works in his favor.

Waco’s opening vote for Von was forced, and some of his questions seem to be without purpose. Probably not knowingly aligned with Rubicon.

Mathblade is being unusual unreasonable, and she backed off her rvs vote very quickly when confronted. On the other hand, her analysis as a whole feels more genuine than in the recent filler game. Probably not knowingly aligned with Irene.

Titus is hiding behind trolling and general unhelpfulness, probably to avoid dealing with the number of stronger players in this game and project a “too stupid to be scum” vibe. I expect she’ll kick up on notch in endgame while defending all of her scummates under pressure. Irritating.


Rubicon's refusal to be helpful wrt Fluff is pissing me off, as per usual, but the way he tried to cast himself as supporting Irene's position on Fluffiness when he was doing nothing of the sort was weird as fuck. Some of his posts also have a weirdly sterile feel to them.


Luckylee hasn’t done anything towny, which rare enough on its own. Add in the overly serious behavior early on and poking people about activity (a weak attack that he tends to fall back on) and I want him dead.

Fluff’s post 62 is still scummy as fuck. His post 103 has both bitterness at being caught and an attempt at not repeating the same mistake. He then vanishes under pressure. Let’s lynch the fuck out of him, and use his alignment to figure out Irene’s.


If any of you wants more details about a specific person, ask.

 

Sure.

Hi Bill. I have. Really and truly. Honest and duly. Ask another or better yet, answer mine.

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Fonti you make me wish I was scum so bad it hurts.

 

Thanks Atum.

Irene doesn't think you actually scumread Zenzao for the stuff about being unproductive, showing activity, filler etc. Is she right?

 

Just saying, but I vanished because, like I said I would be, I was in a place with little to no Internet connection, and it's sort of hard to post when you can't access the thread.

 

Yeah, that's not the time period I'm talking about.

Directly after post 103, you disappeared for about a day, and then came back in three times solely to respond to questions/comments directed to you.

 

fonti, my position on HF is wholly separate from Irene's.

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If you're back now, wanna post some reads?

 

Sure, just give me a second.

 

Oh really, now?

 

You played with Scum!me last game, Titus, and I know you're a good enough player to pick apart my behavior accordingly. So tell me, are you really doubtcasting my allegiance right now? Or Irene's read on me?

Just a small list for now as its off the top of my head and I need to take the time to crosscheck what Irene/Fonti/Mathblade etc are saying about everyone with my own thoughts.

Rubicon
Titus|HF
Atum|Citrus
Mathblade
Irene

 

Mmm, it's hard to say. I'm not entirely sure what scum Zen looks like. I don't remember a ton about him from games we've been in recently, to the point where I can't recall his alignment at all. IIRC he tends to pretty much go with the general flow of the game and makes few remarkable posts. I can't read him like that though I'd since I'm being all active and helpful toDay I got him all riled up and indignant and defensive (a la CYS) and honestly didn't really get swayed one way or the other. I'll have to give it a better try since I pretty much abandoned that project in favor of Bill.

I do, however, find the things I stopped and pressured him on to be legitimately scummy. Plus I enjoy the emotion in his posts, and his curious diction.

 

@fonti, I was thinking about this thing she said: "Alright. Feels a little... I'm not unconvinced by I don't totally buy it. I'm watching you fluffiness."

The meta difference from BatMafia2 makes him lean scum for me.

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(If anything she pretty much agreed with MY reasons for scumreading him in #245. But she thinks that he's too smart to actually play that way as scum.)

 

You really haven't tho... I suppose it's possible that you don't actually have an answer which is why you're being so reluctant.

In answer to your question, it's mostly a general feeling of people being more confident in town reads than they have any right to be. With Irene, Poly and fonti being the biggest offenders I can think of. Though fonti does this like every game.

 

A few reads of mine:

Town Reads:

MathBlade: like I said before, I firmly believe MathBlade is town. MathBlade, can you give reads on Snowvon, Luckylee, and The Waco Kid?

Bill Door: he’s pursuing his scumreads and is not afraid to talk to and question people. I like him as town. @Bill Door, what do you think of Rubicon, fontisian, and Titus?


Nullish Reads:

Riley: Dude need to post more. Like a whole lot more. @ Riley, reads please?

Zenzao: I like him in the beginning of the game, since he was actually participating and being very different from how he was in BatMafia, but I’ve liked his recent posts a lot less, since he’s been getting more defensive and self-conscious. Zenzao, mind explaining the reads you gave in post 312?

Atum: I can see where some of his reads are coming from, but not others (such as his
read on Polysemous), and I didn’t really like his shenanigans at the beginning of the game. @Atum, can you give me reads on Irene, Riley, and Kento Kraitos?

Scum Reads:

Kento Kraitos: He seems determined not to provide opinions and reads on the other players; instead tunneling Bill for “focusing on players who post little” even though Atum has posted a lot. And I don’t like him saying that Bill is too focused on one person while he doesn’t really talk about anybody. @Kento Kraitos can you provide reads on non Bill Door players?

Titus: seems inordinately interested in 3rd party, and talks about how third parties may be secretly town aligned (which is sort of wtf). She also said she was guiding town to what we should be doing, but I don’t see much of that, just trolling from her. Titus, what are your reads on Zenzao, blab, and Citrus?

Polysemous: Has posted 8 times, and, of those 8 posts, 6 were about how Atum is obv!town because of his attitude (which I don’t find particularly towny), and attacking those who believe Atum is scummy. I would love for Polysemous to provide some scumreads of his.

Luckylee: still not striking me as towny, what with him saying he’s scumhunting when he’s really not. Luckylee, who are your townreads?

 

@Fluffiness, I already provided a scum read on Waco where I analysed his posts. Expect a larger post where I give my reads on everyone in the game soon.

The only reason I posted so much about Atum town is because people kept asking me to elaborate.

Also, why do you townread Mathblade?

 

MathBlade, to me, seems to genuinely be scumhunting and trying to figure things out, and I like her long analysis post.

 

I've been defensive since the onset of the game, and trying my hand at countering/being offensive by prodding my Scumspects on issues.

Rubicon should be clear at this point.

I don't like the changes in Titus behavior this game or things that she has said.

You're going to have to wait to get an answer for why you're tied with Titus near the top of my list.

Those in gray are neutral. I don't fully trust placing them as solid or tentative town as of yet.

Math is looking to be the same as she was in Batmafia 2, playing with analysis and looking at things. Same of Irene.

Seconded.

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And on another note, I'm browsing via mobile. Expect a time dilation between questions posed and answers given of about 20 minutes on average, typing on this thing is slow.

 

The fluffy guy: Sure I can.

Kento K: Maybe lean scum because his posts are pretty low-content but dressed up to appear focused and active. His frustration with Bill could be town or scum in #273, but considering that he's not been proactive in scumhunting, is overall defensive, and had a weak entrance, scumlean.

Riley: 4 posts. I don't know Riley well enough to even pretend to read him based on that. Null. Oh, he missed me in his little readwallish thing though. And I'm a personal fan of #107.

Irene: She talks about me an odd amount for someone I have 0 interaction with. Maybe it's a crush. I do agree with some of the things she says though. Pretty much null.

Why'd ya wanna here about 'em?

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The? Seriously??

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This. So much this. I can scarcely believe it.