Senpai is Fonti.

Scum reading me and Fluffy in the same vein makes no sense at all, Fonti. In fact, scum reading my right after I ask Von his opinion of you is really odd. Scummy even.

My town reads are are basically the same, although I have some suspicions, (Kento, Fluffy, Atum, Von, BillDoor, and Fontisian) Von knows Fonti better than myself, so I'd like his opinion on her the most

Irene is strong town, but she hasn't played with me since forever. I was hoping explaining my meta would explain my actions/how I always play. I'm pretty tired/bored of defending myself, so if I am seeming scummy w/e I give no fucks at this point. Lynch me and move on.

 

You said you had a small scum read on Irene a while ago without providing reasoning, and you pretty much never interacted with or talked about Riley and Kento, so I wanted to see what you thought of them.

 

You know I keep telling BillDoor I will keep my posts short but how can I do it when you all post so much???
Keep up the good work by the way

Rubicon #300 (Holy shit)
To explain more: You said ‘You could try to attract a lot of aggression by claiming a PR but everyone expects that from me now’ 1) I referenced the time you did it in Brass and Tax was when you did it and you were a good town power-role 2) So by saying that everyone expects that from you now, do you mean they would expect you to do that even if you’re scum, so there’s no need to do it?

See, a townish way if I were you regarding this is: a) I am vanilla town! If I act aggressive, I can get people to think I am town power role and hide the actual power roles! B) I am power role town! If I act aggressive, people will know I am power role town and I get killed early! But people would expect me to do that even if I’m vanilla town so if I do that there’s still some chance people take me to be A)

Or C) I am a scum! Even if I attempt to act like town PR in a game after I acted this way in an another game where I am ACTUALLY town PR there is no point because people think I may be scum (?) even if I act this way. Yeah, I mean, after she mentioned Brass and Tax to me my default reaction was ‘there is no contribution to me appearing more town if I act like town power-role’??? Instead of thinking from the view of ‘how can I contribute to scum-hunting if I am a power-role’??? And from a meta POV isn’t it BETTER for you to appear parallel to a game where you were power-role town?

You feel pretty focused. I think you may be but you’re still veering off every few posts or so, I remain unconvinced. I know you talked about your reads, but you didn’t always back them up with reasoning like town!Rubi would.
That said, I do like your attitude to me here. If you had actually agreed to this I would have switched my vote to you immediately because your scumminess would be so bad I’d rather lynch you than blab which is potentially a 3rd party. But given the reasons above... You’re still scum #1.

Rubicon #309 & #314
Basically fontisian pointed this out for me in #311 (thank you ) Also uh... to clarify. I remain of the view I said about watching fluffiness. He also leans scum for me, in case you didn’t see my last list, and I agree with your reasons for scumreading him, I think he’s scummy but it’s always relative to people and unfortunately for you he’s not near the top of my list yet, because I feel he’s too smart to play that way as scum. Yup.

Atum #301

Because currently I am the most sure about these three being scum. Of course, if I do get killed by the fourth (who may or may not be fonti, I am still at the point where I feel like she’s scummy but I’m reluctant to call it definite) they are still scumbuddies in this case and getting one of them would balance the loss of me, since it evens out the one town one scum one third party if we lynch blab thing.

You’re lucky I pretty much decided on you being not scum because if I didn’t that question reeks of ‘oooh how are they appearing scummy instead of me so I can use that as arguments!!!’

Atum #320: Oh Atum, you so funny. As I explained to fluffiness (I don’t wanna quote myself, see the CAPS below for convenience) I merely talked about you because i talked about almost every major thing that happened and once I did that I based a lot of my reads on you being town, hence Rubi pushing for you is off, hence BillDoor pushing you so aggressively isn’t like scum!Bill, Zenzao doing so is also aggressive town behaviour etc. Etc. Don’t flatter yourself too much. If anything the love of my mafia life shall always be KaiDASH.

[MENTION]Fluffiness[/USER] #302: Uh... you come back and starts off with an okay question, because scum town reads people too to get them to vote with them.

#316 You did okay with reasoning for the town reads. I really like you point about Titus, so thank you. That does beg the question of why you acted so strange regarding luckylee before when you have shown yourself capable of intelligence. I think you’re not off my suspect list yet.

That being said, Polysemous basically said a lot of same things as me regarding Atum. I feel like we both address the Atum is town! Thing because a) RUBICON KEPT PUSHING FOR HIM B) BILDOOR KEPT PUSHING FOR HIM C) HE WAS IN A FIGHT WITH ZENZAO D) ZENZAO HAS STOPPED BUT THE FORMER TWO ARE STILL PUSHING FOR HIM. When you have like, 3 different players doing this you usually address it. I don’t see an issue here though yes, I would like scum reads from Poly please. And Poly if your reasoning about Atum wasn't the same as mine do contribute. I like people with their own opinions.

#318: Well I did the same long analysis post thing. Why are you ignoring giving a read on me? Talk, I’m interested.

fontisian #304
Wow, okay here we go too. Agree regarding Atum. I realised we mimic each other’s views again! I really want you to be town so bad Fonti. 
Also, uh.... You do realise most people commenting on me has been agreeing with me about RUBICON and BLAB right, not ‘sheep you as scum’??? Where did that come from??? That accusation is really off and shows some victim complex there. Even now I am trying to figure if you’re scum, don’t get so defensive it only makes your case worse.

Agree regarding Poly. Felt like scum behaviour him choosing a safe side where we already argue for but at the same time he feels like he was doing it to establish this read as basis for further conclusions. It’s like an essay actually, laying groundwork is important.

I also compare Atum to Zenzao, Atum to BillDoor, Atum to everyone cause Atum is my baseline yardstick for wellmeaning but needlessly smoke-bombing townie, yo. Also, put me higher on your readlist to encourage me getting shot? You want me dead (shot by scum? If you want me shot by town won’t you put me at the bottom of the yellows???) despite you thinking Rubicon and fluffiness and luckylee are more guilty?

Oh fonti fonti, if I die Night One, it’s going to be you isn’t it????!!!! You’ll pre-empt shoot yourself in the foot, setting this up, say you won’t be as stupid and scum is trying to incriminate you, in a ‘oops I predicted that but not like this’ way, then proceed to lead town around thinking that YOU CALLED IT OH GOD AND THAT’S NOT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL. And your satisfaction would be all the more, proving yourself to be a better player than me once and for all.
Why do you keep doing this to yourself? I was on the brink of removing into the category to ‘mildly scummy’ too. ??? This sentence has derp smelling all over it. But don’t worry, I don’t think I’m living past Night 2, or even 1.

I promised MathBlade I’d let her fight her own battles. But I will say this: Maybe she’s being unusual unreasonable because YOU are being unusal unreasonable? Nobody takes well to being told ‘Your thoughts are so weird I am just going to ignore them and pretend you don’t exist kthxbai’. It is shockingly ANTITOWN, even IF Mathblade is scum because scum opinions on other people DO give reads a lot too. Are you railing her up on purpose? Strange when you disapproved of Tunneling!Mathblade based on her past games.

Agree with Rubicon and Luckylee, and honestly, your priority is figuring out MY alignment based on fluffiness’s guilt when I am a) near top of yellow on your list?

Your obsession with me is touching, and I would return it if I weren’t already in love with Mets, a fictional character. As it is, darling, I’m going to stick with ‘definitely scum’. Wow. Can’t believe how many mistakes you made in one post. Are scums pressured and panicking or what?

Fonti #308 With all due respects, isn’t this grasping at straws? There’s this thing called school/work for people. If I had been busy for the day, I can’t see why I wouldn’t simply search through the thread for mentions of me and question those, and post full reads when I’m free. Why are you giving fluffiness stick about this when... yeah. :\

[MENTION]Zenzao [/USER]#312 and #319 You, I like you. /jk In seriousness but regarding your reads, I would like your position (Since you’re on mobile, two sentences reasoning would do in support as evidence) on blab, BillDoor, Kento, luckylee. (Basically my strong reads) Thank you.

[MENTION]Billdoor[/USER] #315: I do it every game too.

Luckylee #321: You reaction to fonti makes me feel like you’re... getting bussed? Idk man. Off. I accept your second and third statement, but as you said, you explaining yourself was positive for town, I liked it, but now you ‘oh I am stop defending myself if I seem scummy just lynch me’ reeks of you throwing in the towel. Lucky, is it because poor you realised you becoming more serious and defensive incriminates you more? If you were consistent with it it won't be so bad. You just doomed yourself. Well, you’re like #4 on the list. Get in line and don’t jump the queue.

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Oops. Mentions not working. Atum Zenzao his fluffiness Bill Door

 

God Bless.

Unvote
Vote Irene

Sorry fluff, I've got bigger fish to fry.

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You, my friend, have fucked up.

Let's look at post 308, hmm:

I accused Fluff of trying to retreat into obscurity, pointing to the specific time period to back up.

Then, trust White Knight!Irene to his defense. On it's own, that's fine. Anti-town and wrong, but not damning, even with someone who has as high of a burden of proficiency as Irene.

But look at the beauty behind her defense:
"There’s this thing called school/work for people."

Look at that leap of logic. Fluff gave no indication that he was busy during that time period. Hell, the fact that he had three posts during that time is clear indication that he wasn't overwhelmed with work. Irene is arguing that no one should be held accountable for activity because they might have been busy irl, even though they said nothing of the sort. Oh, and that only applies to fluff.

You've stretched too far, my dear.

 

Because changing from 'Lynch her day three/four' to 'OMG LYNCH IRENE NOW' With ZERO reasoning Is not scummy at all.

Unlike you however, I am sticking to my preference to lynch Blab/Rubicon, because I don't change my mind within the span of a single sentence and don't believe in voting for people who vote for me. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. I also won't NOT vote for people who think I'm definitely town if I think they are scum (ala Luckylee), so there's the difference fonti, it's called... what's that word again? Class.

 

Oh, and that's not all. Look at that section about Mathblade:

Look at that and tell me she isn't trying to incite Mathblade.

I never said anything like "Your thoughts are so weird I am just going to ignore them and pretend you don’t exist kthxbai." I know. Irene knows it. Everyone except Mathblade knows it. Yet we have Irene trying to shove that false impression back into Math's head, to keep her attacking me.

The beginning even fucking tries to absolve responsibility, by claiming that she wants to "let Math fight her own battles."

Bullshit. As if she hadn't been pushing Math into this for pages.

Hey, Irene, next time you feel like manipulating everyone, be a little more subtle, alright?

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Adorable.

Are you really trying to dismiss your fuck up as me being irrational? Because I changed votes? Try again.

 

Are you kidding? "Burden of proficiency" My ass. Are you really trying to undermine me by putting YOUR expectations of me? Are you really fucking doing this?

"Look at that leap of logic. Fluff gave no indication that he was busy during that time period. Hell, the fact that he had three posts during that time is clear indication that he wasn't overwhelmed with work. Irene is arguing that no one should be held accountable for activity because they might have been busy irl, even though they said nothing of the sort. Oh, and that only applies to fluff.

You've stretched too far, my dear."

I meant to say that there are definitely more scummy things to attack fluffiness for, and the time thing was NOT one of them because heck, was I lurking and being scummy as opposed to my usual self when I had 12 hours of school? Do I have to account for every single period of time I am free for mafia? It doesn't only apply to fluff, because I don't recall saying 'OMG THIS GUY HAS BEEN LURKING HE'S SCUMMY' I have been calling people scummy based on them posting POINTLESS POINTS even when they POST?

And I like how you wholely ignore the rest of my ENTIRE post. Wow. I am so disappointed in you. Don't talk to me as your inspiration. Even if you're town after game I am absolutely embarrassed to be any sort of inspiration for such illogical, knee-jerk, anti-town, putting people down for believing them to be different or stupid behaviour. I really am ashamed. I'd rather have never played lesstiny or batmafia. Or even this game.

 

/cracks knuckles
In this most recent post we have:
1.Irene trying to deny that she has an amazing record of catching scum as town (and scum, actually).
2.Irene attempting to call me irrational because of my statement of fact.
3.An honest to God claim that lurking isn't scummy, even when it starts just after the target gets run up. Because he was almost certainly busy. Of course.
4.A attempt to distil the small part of my case against Fluff involving active lurking (i.e. giving minimal responses when directly called out) to inactivity due to irl.
5.A beautiful emotional appeal at the end their. I love how it blends try to make me feel ashamed for daring to attack Irene while also trying to make me look irrational.

I'm walking on sunshine.

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Oop:
6. A doubtcast about how much of her posts I've actually read. You keep trying, sweetheart.

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Oh man, and this bit:

I bring up the likelihood that a town!Irene would get shot Night 1 and she flips the fuck out. Could you be more worried about people getting suspicious of your continued survival down the line?

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Which brings me to point 7.

Yeah, not what I said.

I said that Irene should be lynched toMorrow if Fluff flips scum. I also said that if all the other strong players are shot and she's still standing, lynch her.

She then exaggerates and ignores my argument to make it look like a huge flip-flop. Bull. Shit.

And 8.

The idea that this would undermine here. If anything, me saying that Irene is good should only encourage people to listen to her. Either she has abysmally little faith in her reads, or she knows she's pushing townies.

 

Believe it or not, people actually AGREE with me about your behaviour towards Mathblade. It is NOT a false impression. I will go back and quote EXACTLY what you said.

"I usually ignore Math. I adore the woman, but she tends to latch onto things because of a poor understanding of tone and sarcasm. Paying too much attention to it gives me a headache."

Step One: Imply Math has poor understanding of tone and sarcasm, saying you don't want to pay attention to her as a result.

"Her logic doesn't make sense to me, and never has. I don't particularly feel the need to justify that. I've had past town games where I've said the same.

And way to completely fucking strawman my argument. Where did I call Math stupid? Where did I call fluff that? Math thinks differently from me. It's makes her hard to read and harder to follow."

Step 2: Backtrack at saying 'poor understanding of tone and sarcasm' isn't calling Math stupid. 'her logic doesn't make sense to me, and never has' This means you don't get her view.

"This is the problem. You say things that are blatantly untrue, treat as fact, and then I have to say "actually, that never happened," every single time. It's tiresome. I read your posts (with the exception of a few at the end of the fantasystrike game) to figure out your alignment, but I don't want to put the extra effort into understanding your logic or mindset. You know this already."

Step 3: Tell Math that you read her posts to figure her alignment, but doesn't want to understand her logic or mindset.

And you tell me after all this time you didn't mean "Your thoughts are so weird I am just going to ignore them and pretend you don’t exist kthxbai"? You literally said you are just going to ignore her reads and logic and only try to figure out her alignment.


God, since when have I tried pushing Mathblade into anything??? UNLIKE YOU I RESPECT PEOPLE AS THEIR OWN PERSON, I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE THOUGHT CROSSED IN MY MIND? SINCE WHEN HAVE I TRIED TO MANIPULATE ANYONE IN THIS GAME? I DON'T DO SUBTLE KTHX.

Also: I had four games. I had a shitty game in tinyhunt, a shitty game in warlock, a good game in lesstiny, a game of batmafia where I only have to figure out 3/6 scum. Tell me how great my record is again. It's 50% at most.

I called you irrational because that was irrational to me, you first response having no reasoning or logic to back it up. And since then, I still don't buy it. You trying to discredit me without addressing ANY of the points I talked with respect to you? Yeah.

I don't wish to question your reading skills because you're going to use it against me again, but I already called fluffiness scummy. For other reasons. In multiple posts. How much clearer do I have to be??? I just think your reason for fluffiness being scummy doesn't work.

And throughout all these personal attack not once have you addressed things I said directly about you.

I don't wish to ruin this game with any drama but I seriously don't see why Town!Fontisian would act this way. Even if you genuinely believe me to have fucked up by defending fluffiness, you literally just said fluffiness has to be scum in order for me to be scum, yet you jump off him immediately because I HAVE to be scum for merely stating things I think about a person that may or may not be scum? How does that work?

 

Let's end with this, because the one who that has been pissing me off.

Putting people down?

Quote one post where I've done that. I dare you.

I cannot believe you actually have to balls to complain about me doing something I have not done and would never do, while doing it to me in the very same post.

Who called fluff a stupid!townie? You. Who broke out the idea of a "stupidity scale"? You. Who changed my statements into insults to Mathblade? You.

Check your own behavior.

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Irene. You need to stop. Now.

Mathblade has a poor understanding of tone and sarcasm through posts because of who she is. That does not make her stupid, but it does make mafia harder for her. Stop calling my friend a moron for things that she can't control.

 

I am done with this argument.
"The idea that this would undermine here. If anything, me saying that Irene is good should only encourage people to listen to her. Either she has abysmally little faith in her reads, or she knows she's pushing townies."

If you had really read all my threads as you say you should know I do NOT deal well with the pressure of people needing me to perform, I often put too much pressure on myself, and that makes me doubt all my reads at least 10 times before I even submit them for writing. I want people to listen to me based on my arguments in THIS thread, not based on some impression from past threads beyond using meta to figure out my alignment. I want THINKING townies, who won't sheep me just because they believe I am right, or you, or rubi, or mathblade, or any other townie for that matter. I don't NEED you to encourage people to listen to me because I want to use logic to do that myself, because I am still improving as a mafia player and part of being good at it is if I can convince people of my logic. In other words, I ALWAYS have little faith in myself even in batmafia and lesstinyhunt, but that doesn't stop me from posting what my reasoning is.

I wasn't going for emotional appeal. I am tired of this and I have class in 15 mins. Make of that as you will.

 

Two last points before bed:
1. I won't be addressing the arguments Irene attempting to make against me here unless specifically requested by someone other than her. IMO, they're either obviously wrong or blatant emotional appeals, and I don't particularly feel the need to waste time on them.

2.

Oh really, now?

Post 228 disagrees:

But I love the backtrack once you're called out.

To be clear, Irene is scum regardless of Fluff's alignment at this point. That last tl:dr pushed her over the border of "protecting a scummate" right into "buddying a townie for towncred" land.

 

I'll sort through this argument in the morning.
Irene #323

Gambits like that depend on surprise and confusion. Otherwise they are simply not an effective way to catch scum or attract/avoid kills. That is my point. People yawn at me or ignore it as WIFOM.

Pretty sure that's the answer to all the A/B/C stuff too.

 

You're both ridiculous.

But I still laughed a couple times.

 

Okay I'm just back after a long couple of days. I'm reading and I'll get the MathBlade's first and then I'll get any responses to posts and then any general thoughts at the end. It will be a long post to warn you guys as some of these pages look like walls.

However I did notice that Irene and Fontisian are again going at it like cat's and dogs when I requested BOTH of them to stop. Tbh I'm not responding to any of those in detail but I am going to close with this which is mostly admitting my own flaws. This was also a game Fontisian herself was in.

This is from Sotek when I was first learning to play and taught me some about ettiquette of which I am trying to learn from: If anyone cares direct link is here for context: Direct Link
"People are not allowed to dictate when others are allowed to play.
Full.fucking.stop.
You do not get to ban me from attempting to play the game while alive.

You do not get to dictate when I am online, you do not get to hold town hostage by saying you will actively prevent town being able to progress while I am online.l
This is a grievous breach of etiquette, and actively playing against town's interests.
"

Therefore, implying that you are going to ignore my posts regardless of what I say and not attempting to understand them and actively encouraging each other to play REGARDLESS of your alignment Fonti I have issue with. I also admit I am guilty of the same in the past of poor ettiquette and point this out.

For the sake of the game unless there's something alignment indicative in that, I'm going to not respond to what I should or should not be feeling as those are MY feelings and I am entitled to what I feel.

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actively encouraging others to ignore my play REGARDLESS of your alignment**

typo correction it submitted too early sorry.

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This is the only MathBlade I could find in my alerts. If there was something addressed to me without a working alert I will get it in my read through.

Snowvon -- I haven't seen him post anything useful all game. He asked for someone to vote Bill Door with him and that's about it. Other than that it just seems like unintelligibleness in his post breakdown/ISO. He even admits he'd rather just skim through the thread. I'm getting the distinct impression he doesn't care as long as he lives. Getting a survivor feel off of him or lazy town. Not really group scum. Then again I don't think I've seen a group scum game from him. Honestly there's enough to go on where I feel he shouldn't be null but I don't see him really pushing or doing anything.
Snowvon -- Reads please.

Lucky Lee -- I have him as town due to PoE as I have 4 scumspects and 4 potentials for 3P I just don't have any place to put him and like my other suspects better for those places. It's not a good reason to town read someone but it's more like...I'll look at you later versus an actual town read.

Namely: Rubicon, Fonti, Polysemous, Titus/blab for possible scum team

Possible 3P: Snowvon, Titus, Waco Kid, (Irene -- Allocen only not surv one of her post reads like she checked me as Allocen and knows I'm town rather than a faith about it. But if it wasn't for that one line I'd have her as hard town so she's in parenthesis as I'm not willing to lynch her because I'm usually wrong on one sentence out of context here and if I'm wrong that would be bad as I don't see her being group scum.)

Tbh I don't have a read on Titus at all and she could be anywhere and that scares me. So she could be town too.

I put blab back in scum territory but he could go in 3P as well just don't get a "town" vibe for him.

However just some things don't sit right. :/ Just I think a lot of people are almost playing this like role hunters in a sense and because of so much mechanics it's messing with my head.
Lucky Lee -- Reads please.


About Waco Kid -- Posts random questions a lot like Von and doesn't answer mine either. Hence he gets the same treatment. Either 3P surv or town not seeing group scum as it's too obviously scummy to be in group scum. When Waco was scum his posting was different in his first game. However I'm more open to Waco Kid being group scum than Von due to less meta information to work with.

@Waco Kid -- Reads please.


Yes I know it's utterly boring but I want to see their opinions on everyone and I'm too lazy to ask the same question three different ways.

 

Mathblade, please stop doing this.

1. I am going after Irene because she is scum. You do not get to tell me to not pursue my scumreads.
2. I have not hindered your play. I could do more to help it by pointing out when you are making false statements and why, but I am under no obligation to do so, especially when you usually refuse to accept it.
3. I have never implied that I will ignore your posts. You are putting your and Irene's words into my mouth. Again. I have said that I will not put extra effort into understanding them when blatantly wrong. That is my right, and it does not harm you in any way.
4. In the scenario you quoted, you told Sotek that you would wait for him to go offline before making a case against him. That is nothing like anything going on here.

I am asking you one last time to reflect and realize that you are being manipulated.

 

Yes. It absolutely is the same thing.

You said you would blatantly ignore my posts. Regardless of my alignment or what I said. It isn't 100% the same here but I also said hey you should ignore him because he's scum in that game somewhere bleh. :/ That it's too much effort to understand them. This invites newbies to do the same.

Hell if you think Irene is scum push her. I think she's town or 3P but I'm not as confident so I'm going after one's I'm more confident in like Rubicon.

You have hindered my play by suggesting that you weren't going to read my posts. I'm the first person to point this out NOT Irene or anyone else. I think it's quite possible I'm being manipulated. I suspected you as scum before I thought you did this faux paux. Regardless you do not see it as an issue so I am dropping that but I still think you are scum. Between Rubicon unintentionally ignoring my posts, you advocating for it, and Waco Kid saying no to answering my posts, it makes me wonder why the HELL I should post at all. It doesn't make for a good game. So I'm just pointing that out for reference.

I'd be glad if you two tunnel this out because then I don't have to read mountains of walls how both of you think that you're right on what I am feeling as a player or how I should interpret both of your posts when I say what I feel.

Someone once said "It doesn't matter what the intent of your message was, it matters what the recipient feels." So therefore, I'm telling you what I feel that I'm offended. I have quoted where you said you would ignore my posts and so has Irene so I won't bother with that. It harms me because it actively encourages people to discount my worth as a player regardless of alignment. My point is made. Your point is I should not be offended. Got it. Going in circles is useless to town.

I'm most sure of Rubicon and moving on however, since most of this spat is about how I feel as a player and completely counter intuitive towards helping me verify my scum reads and/or lynch them. Therefore that is where my posts will go unless you continue to insist I should not be offended. I plan on investigating.

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Then you say What's up Atum? Seriously...That's it? :/ Like say what? That almost feels like casual conversation not pushing. I have felt like Atum is town for his postings, but maybe Atum requires a second look.
Rubicon -- This feels extraordinarily defensive here for 2 day 1 votes and day1 can change rather rapidly. Why are you so defensive? And why the casual tone with Atum instead of pressuring him? What's up is so damn generic. It feels almost like you're inviting him to post something so you can set him up for a mislynch. This post gives me shivers. Explain.

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Luckylee -- Nevermind on Reads Please. Just saw you did that.

I tend to agree with the idea that Fonti's reads don't make sense but I may be a little bit biased here and it's part of the reason I'm going after Rubicon besides him being my top scum read.

What do you think of a Rubicon/Fonti scum team?


@Everyone -- Same question
What do you think of a Rubicon/Fonti scum team?
If any of you are town reading them -- why with posts please either numbers or quotes.

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K -- now I'm done and going to sleep. I'll check this in the AM.

 

Ok, so Kento commits to scum!lurking, great!... is what I would say, but:

OK, so I get the "someone had a strong scum!game so I'll not scumread him for "easy" tells, but staying under the radar/lurking is something I expect from a fairly strong scum!newbie who rolled scum again. Can you elaborate? ow was his play strong? How was Zenzao's?

That much hypocrisy makes me angry. If you're embarrassed to be an inspiration to that, how about you stop acting exactly like it? (You called Riley's post retarded, called Lucky an illiterate buffon, imply that every thought that differs from yours is stupid, actually summerize other peoples thoughts to make them sound idiotic, like this: 'OMG, look at how retarded I'm being')
Anyway, responses

Aww, your civility warms my hard. Look at how great you are making me feel about my contributions. The point of my previous post was, in case you missed it, which I'm pretty sure you did, that I don't appreciate you taking down my early-game-contributions when I actually make an effort about it.

Yes, you made a joke, I made a joke. That is indeed what happened. I didn't actually attack your helpfulness so why are you still defensive about it?

Look at you, using my best town game evar as an example for my scum!meta. I could call you an utter moron for that, but I am not going to, because I am just that much of a helpful classy person, instead of a illogical-knee-jerk-anti-town-putting-people-down person. Instead I'm going to help you out and tell you that I was scum in Brass & Tax and all my other games are town.

Interesting that you claim that you think Atum is scum here, when you have just called the argument that he is one stupid. I'm going to refrain from making the obvious joke about your intelligence here and will not connect that to you having missed that this is not a random accusation I'm throwing around, but instead a prompted crapshot at solving the entire game 30% into D1. Because, class.
Using my great skill in empathy, I'm even considering that you might not appreciate being joked about for what in context might actually just be a use of the wrong word. Huh ok, that doesn't make sense either. hmm.
I don't really know what I want to do instead, though, so I am just going to admire your civility at how nicely you tell me that my not very well foundated crapshot is indeed that. And your restraint preventing yourself from stooping down to a "lol you stupid" level.

ok, I've got it out of system. Felt good. Ahh.

Why do you think fontisian is scum? Like, I can piece together why you think Rubicon is scum, but not on fontisian. You have told what of fontisian you don't like but not why you think scum!fontisian would be more likely to post that than town!fontisian. (or I missed it). Whichi of her reads don't make sense?

i am not sure either of them are town but if the "cross-talk-thing" is still what makes you think the are scum together, I have the opposite impression, that their butting heads was genuine. Like if one of them is scum, the other is more unlikely to be.

How about you avoid your weakness to get scumread as town, get in here, and make me townread you.

Do you still think it a good idea to wagon Rubicon? Is he scum? Is Irene town? Do you think Zen is scum? If, yes, can you address the arguments arguing the opposite?

mmmmk. Genuine. probably

What's our suspicion about Bill?

 

#183

Irene, In your read-wall in #291 you called out Luckylee for:

"He singles out 3 random people just to go ‘see I am contributing’ and COMPLETELY neglects to give opinions on conversation concerning him??? And random throw at Waco??? Then joke post on fluffiness again. I agree with blab about lucky. "

As per what I've quoted above, two of the reads were actually a question from me. That said, I do not disagree on your conclusion, and a big part of it is the "extra read" Lucky added onto his post, Rubicon. I had not prompted him for that at all. Additionally, he claims he hadn't seen Rubicon post much (odd since Rubicon was one of the most frequent posters in the game at that point), and asked me for an opinion oh Rubi, which was strange since at the time of his post (#183) I had been openly skeptical of Rubicon's actions and had just finished an exchange w/ Rubi in regards to this (my posts in that sequence were #143, #166, #169).

In conclusion it appears Luckylee was thinking about Rubicon, but wasn't reading his posts, scum-buddies?

Polysemous, you have nine posts and have mentioned 3rd parties (3p strategy, maybe xxx is a 3p, etc) 5-6 times. Is there a reason that the 3rd parties (and strategy for such) seem to be always on your mind? Are you overthinking your role, or are you scum worried about your rival factions?

Either way might want to put some more effort into making your reads look like you're trying to be town. You went from sorta town to definitely town on Atum only after possTown!Atum became a public acceptable view, you've twice called Rubicon scum with no reasoning (bussing/separating??), and by your own admission your only other "reads" (blab and Bill Door) are just you taking Irene's reads.

Vote: Polysemous

@Fontisian: In my opinion you seem to going with more shock and awe rather than content in this game, a departure from even our previous game in filler, as well as some of the previous DLP games I've read, I'm wondering if you're using those tactics to cover for the lessening of content.

If you are town, can we at least agree that it is somewhat anti!town to potentially risk completely ignoring and alienating other town players? It's more important that town wins instead of worrying about who called it correctly.
Riley: You're still tied with Sloth in # of posts. From what I've seen you tend to lurk as both town and scum, but I would like to hear what your thinking?
Titus: Your quietness is way out of character from any of your previous games I've read, and it's really making me nervous about you.
MathBlade: I'm town, but given our previous game, I'm not surprised you're reading me the way you are. I believe I answered your question from #187 & #190 in #197, but if there's something else I missed please let me know.

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Forgot to color

Vote: Polysemous

 

@Fluff, Not obseesed with 3p but even while laid backI cannot let bad theory through.

As for Zenazo, he's a scumread. My scumreads are the people who would make good wagons. Blab I am fine with being town for now. Citrus needs to post more for me to have a read.

I really don't want a wall war here. The walls are demotivating.
fontisian Irene - If you two want to wall fight, can you spoiler it?

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@Waco - Acknowledged. I am loud as town scum or 3p but ppl are sick of me dominating, so I am doing a new approach. Hence troll game.