Titus

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See bolded, I know

 

The ones where I stated I would be gone, quoted above.

Also quoted, as you stated you scum-readed me for lurkiness and not posting. Not that you were suspicious, that you outright scum-read me. That's a strong statement, and I would expect scum!Titus to make strong statements on the fly like that.

You're changing the subject of the argument. I scum-read you for attacking players that attacked you. You proceeded to attack me. I called you out for doing that exact thing to ME as well. You said you already scumread me from before. I proved that that statement is a lie.

You are now trying to deflect the argument out. You literally proved my point on how you treat anyone that aggros you, and then you showed that that aggro was falsified.

 

Mm. Fonti is right. She didn't vote me, but she had me as one of her highest scum reads after Fluffy. That's my fuck up.

Still doesn't make sense to me to have a mutual scum read on myself and Fluffy, but for now.

Unvote

Citrus- Ignoring Titus, whose your highest scum read, right now at this moment?

 

I thought you meant not allowed because you lacked the feature. Can you tell me what you are familiar with and just how much experience you have? I like to know who should know what and who is good at what.

Irene, Same questions.

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Flat out wrong. I told you where my explanation of my scumread on you once.

Also, your scumtell is a load of horseshit. I am town, therefore scums likely attack me.

Wanting to lynch your survivor read is a scumclaim.

 

Red = I know thumbs are banned in mafia
Blue = I don't have thumbs yet

This is what you're asking me about...?

I have a couple games on here + some live games. That's about it

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And I've gone back and read some past games on DLP...

 

Since quoting has gone the way of the dodo again for now(eating the text when I go to bring them up in a new post, leaving a blank textbox), I can't specifically bring up the posts in question.

But bill_Door, no, I'm suggesting that Scum might be in Irene/Fonti, Fonti/Rubicon, or even Mathblade/Fonti, as that is what has looked like the bussing to me so far, but not all four of them and probably not Mathblade herself.

Titus, another lie, just as expected at this point. You yourself, in our Scumchat, called it bussing me in Batmafia 2. You don't get to retroactively change your bloody mind on the terminology a game later when it is inconvenient.

And I've said it twice now, but lay your oh so well documented case against me line by line or drop your aggressive bullshido here any now, TYVM.

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Since quoting has gone the way of the dodo again for now(eating the text when I go to bring them up in a new post, leaving a blank textbox), I can't specifically bring up the posts in question.

But bill_Door, no, I'm suggesting that Scum might be in Irene/Fonti, Fonti/Rubicon, or even Mathblade/Fonti, as that is what has looked like the bussing to me so far, but not all four of them and probably not Mathblade herself.

Titus, another lie, just as expected at this point. You yourself, in our Scumchat, called it bussing me in Batmafia 2. You don't get to retroactively change your bloody mind on the terminology a game later when it is inconvenient.

And I've said it twice now, but lay your oh so well documented case against me line by line or drop your aggressive bullshido here any now, TYVM.

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/facepalm This is why I hate mobile posting, it times out and gives me either nothing for an indication or Communication Error.

@Waco, have you posted your reads lately? I don't remember seeimg them the last time I checked.

 

Hey Snowvon, why do these comments sounds familiar? Given where this has been heard before, do you think the result should be the same?

 

I wasn't asking anything. I was telling you my wrong interpretation Waco.

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Zenzao, I will quote the posts where I have detailed my reads later.

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Oh and bussing is the act of voting a buddy, so I did bus you at one point. It was not a hard bus as you portary.

 

Literally just snorted.

We both know you don't truly think that.

1) My meta-read on you was accurate the last time you were scum
2) That's such a shitty argument. You very literally just once again confirmed you're OMGUSing - "anyone who thinks I'm scum must be scum guys"
3) I never said you were a survivor read, I said you were a scum-read. That's mafia AND 3rd party inclusive.

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Since I don't want Titus's spouting bullshit to actually confuse anyone:

What do you mean by Azrael wins ties against anyone that's not Allocen? Does that mean only he wins in those ties? Or that he wins with anybody except Allocen?

 

Why, I have no idea what you could possibly be talking about.

No, but really, it's exactly the same and I wouldn't put an ounce of trust in it. The 3Ps need to survive, but the whole "winning a stalemate" thing implies that they cannot win with town.

So. Lynch scum, be it 3P or mafia. Unless it's Azrael, since he can't really do anything (unless he has a secret bastard mechanic, so. Never mind?).

 

Given that, what kind of read do you have on Titus?

 

1) I could roll a d6 and hit scum 1/6th of the time.
2) You can say shitty argument but that's because you are trying to force something untrue.
3) Sorry was thinking about Riley when I said that. You should be voting him bc you know 3p hunting is scummy.

Azreal wins with anyone but Allocean barring bastard mechanic.

 

Eh. I was okay with her trolling, but this is pinging.

Are you sure?

"Stalemate" implies a joint victory is not possible.

 

Vote: Polysemous

Titus while derping IMO is town but her claim business is fishy. I think a flip from her to understand something would be useful to me but since I don't think she is scum I am not voting her. I do think she is hiding something though if I read her correctly and I am not willing to take that chance right now.

 

First and foremost for me in terms of scum-reads is Polysemous, who is simply flailing scum. Has not stuck to read that was against public opinion at the time and has repeatedly failed to deliver promised content. The case against Poly can be found in the following posts (all posts mine unless noted): #274, #339, #407, #411, #423, Bill Door's #441 & #468

Luckylee: My case for Luckylee can be found in: #197, #339, Fontisian's #500, #518 & #525

Rubicon: I haven't seen enough from him in recent days to redeem him after he felt scummy in the opening (I had posts on this but can't find them atm), plus there appears to be possible connection to Lucky (#179 & #339)

Others that I'm keeping a close eye on include Titus, Fontisian, Kento & His Fluffiness

Far and away though I think Polysemous is the most likely scum, and should be toDays lynch

 

Let's clarify the Az thing. Just to be sure.

Does Azreal (spelling may be off) win if he survives and someone other than Allocean wins? Or does he win onlyin a one v one setup? His wincon says wins if he survives but the rest talks about stalemates.

 

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I'm really confused. So you think someone is bussing someone. But you don't know who is bussing who, or maybe they're all bussing, except that some aren't?

 

Whelp using my one hour study break to hop on before I need to get back to studying.

Riley #471

Fair enough about Citrus I and your guts read I guess, I too have a gut read on blab that even now with him lurking and not participating makes me feel worse about him. (Which I realised you also said below, sorry to echo.) That said, I hope by Day Two you should be giving more analysis rather than gut read.

Question: Why would you lynch 3p rather than scum unless you are sure Titus is Allocen? Scum has NK while Azrael does nothing except survive?
IF you say Atum is way too cock sure and happy which is a scum thing to do, then go on to say Atum does it every game, isn’t that a ‘this is Atum being Atum’ instead of Scum!Atum meta?

I’ll address #473, #475 with everyone else.

Titus #472
Town can also third party hunt given how dangerous Allocen is, so I disagree.
About Citrus I’m not agreeing with either Riley or you. I still think Citrus needs to post more, but my scum list seems filled so he’s tentative town.

#486
Also we should catch Allocen by lynching. Isn’t that what people are trying to do now?
Well to me it is not in my interest to be liked by you, or anyone in the game based on personality. It is however, in my interest not to get into another fight that would not only make people unwilling to read through the thread but also refuse to post and give opinions that they skipped.

#526
Technically I see room of possibility for Azrael to have bastard elements in the role too, which would make lynching you more beneficial, so according to you town roles are also possible, so I’ll accept that and move on.

#528
You don’t consider 3p scum? I mean, you’re practically role-claiming here I am kinda shocked.

#544
Dear god okay. I am familiar with batmafia, including riddler, survivor, souping from tinyhunt/lesstinyhunt and warlock, all non-reveal games with given roles. I played 4 games officially, helped with the setup of 2 more, and was observer for more than 5 games. Of the 4 games I played, I was Eager Cadet (Which was a townie angels knew to protect) Lesstiny I caught all the scum as Priest, Batmafia was 2 scum factions with a 3rd party that I outed on Day 2, Warlock had a warlock and I was town for that. Does that answer your questions?

Luckylee #479
Fair enough about Fonti and Rubicon, but one part doesn’t make sense: I infer that you think Atum is town. Isn’t Rubicon pushing for an Atum lynch? How is that townie trying to give townie advice? It’s Rubicon trying to wagon Atum (who you think is town?) Your words don’t match up. Explain.

Snowvon #480
I blew up and didn’t control my emotions properly, I apologise for that, but that was because I really got offended at what I saw as fonti putting pressure on me to be right in the ‘follow Irene’ kinda way (which I may have misunderstood) , and it didn’t sit well with me because I want people to read what I am writing rather than agree with my conclusions because I’m me, does that make sense?

You can ctrl-F my posts for fontisian before the start of the fight, but I’ll summarise the post about fonti that started it: In my post #323 I found it scummy that Fontisian got defensive about me calling her scummy when most of the people up to that point mostly was agreeing about Rubicon and some Blab, but I didn’t see anyone pinging her as scum yet (Other than Mathblade who came to the conclusion separately) So that was adding on to the scumminess.

Also I found that she said she ‘put Irene higher on my readlist to encourage me getting shot.’ Which perplexed me because according to her list Rubicon and fluffiness and luckylee are more scummy so her change didn’t make sense to me, that her priority is figuring my alignment when I was yellow based on fluffiness when both Rubicon/Luckylee was more scummy to her.
I also found that I disagreed with her about fluffiness because I scum-read him for different reasons I stated, but I didn’t think her logic of fluffiness not posting = scum was something I agreed with, and explained what I meant because I too get busy sometimes, so I didn’t think it was a good reason, because then a lot can be said about people not posting, which would make Citrus, Riley, Blab, Poly all scum based on first 4-5 days.
That’s all I believe. The rest of that post was regarding Luckylee/Rubicon/The rest, without the emotional attack, so you can probably read them without feeling angry. Hope this answers your question. As to Rubicon/blab, fair enough. Thanks for giving me another look, even if you disagree.

Citrus #484
I know the thread is holy shit long before you can catch up, but do you mind giving some OTHER reads but I like and dislike what you said about Allocen. I want to lynch Allocen early to minimize possible town deaths, but I don’t think we should mass-claim, because imagine if we all claim and scum counter-claims. We can get confused and scum has the added advantage of knowing who to NOT target (Mets is immune to NK for instance) and who to kill (PR, not vanilla) which is anti-town.

MathBlade #490
I agree about point 1 regarding Polysemous, but 2 to me, is simply a sign of lazy!town, which while isn’t protown doesn’t mean he’s scum. I agree about 4, indifferent about 3 because I think he wanted to finish his reads together initially and got lazy, just like 2, so Rubicon still feels scummier.

Zenzao #493
I agree with you calling Titus out on this but uh, I am confused as to your claim that you’re not scum because you’re nowhere near good enough to camouflage the scum behaviour? So... you’re saying if you’re scum, people would call you out on it (aka Titus) as scum. Don’t see how that logic works. I mean I put you as clear town but could you explain?

#517
Do you honestly believe after like 5k wall fights between me and fonti and the bad feelings/emotional mud sligging we are bussing each other? You’re taking the dedication of scum to game way too high I think. Same regarding Mathblade. Fonti/Rubi I think are bussing but they haven’t voted for each other at all, just disagree about people, so I’m not sure if I’d call it bussing.
Agree about #546 except the Irene/Fonti part.

I agree with Fontisian in #500 regarding Luckylee and feel that it makes him scummier in my books, I keep finding it really confusing that Luckylee swings between trolling and serious when it suits him the best, but I don’t feel that sits right with me.

Bill Door #506
It was me. Also, uh, so your logic is ‘doing town stuff appearing not to try’ is a town-read sign? I am so confused at that criteria. In fact, you said in #508 he doesn’t feel like he’s doing a ‘oh wow look at all this work im totally doing’ but I feel like he’s doing the exact thing Waco Kid says in #518. He gave a couple of reads without reason, which seems MORE than scum behaviour. HE doesn’t have to try hard or anything but treading the line between ‘useless posts’ and ‘Oh I GAVE READS BUT NO REASONS TO IMPLICATE ME’ Is.... scummy to me.

REGARDING THE WHOLE TITUS SITUATION:

This is from Citrus post #529
“Unless you are telling us you are Allocen/Azrael and your role-card said you can win with town, 3rd party is anti-town’ I don’t see why this isn’t what she’s implying. It’s not like if she’s Allocen/Azrael she can come outright and say ‘oh I am allocen azrael and my bastard element means I can side with town’. Not sure if that’s against the rules but pretty sure group scum would kill her night one if she did that. Instead she’s hinting at having a role more than what is said the signups, so... yeah.

Also her saying ‘survivor can win with town’ Idk how much more obvious you want her to hint, her sounding SO sure about it too. I know my conclusion reading through the lines.

So anyway I feel if Titus is 3rd party she is survivor. Not sure if she’s lying or not about her hidden powers, but since I’m preeeety sure she ain’t Allocen I’d rather lynch Main Scum with outright obvious anti-town powers anyway, (We have a roleblocker, a kill that doesn’t flip by Night 2, info-gathering, and a role-read innocent role that can confuse the shit outta people), which I feel like a lot of people seem to agree on Rubicon?

I’m echoing Snowvon in #550 here because I believe lynching Azrael doesn’t do anything that we know of? I actually don’t like defending Titus here because I don’t think she’s very pro-town but I feel like main scums are a lot more anti-town, especially in light of what she’s hinting at?

I really really think blab is Allocen given what Titus has displayed and would love to lynch Allocen first but honestly my ‘would rather lynch scale’ is Blab>Rubicon>Titus>People I think aren’t scummy like Atum/Polysemous so. If it comes down to it I would rather lynch confirmed 3rd party than mislynch, but I really would prefer to lynch Rubicon/blab. Much more.

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Btw here's a reminder that there's 3 IRL days left before Day One ends so if you are going to be away cast your vote or change your vote so that we won't end with no-lynch.

Mods could we get a vote count again when you guys are free?

 

You do that, TYVM. And while we're on that note, nice to see you continue being so kind.

@Waco, thank you. Quoting a post that big on mobile is a bit much, but I see what you mean about Poly.

Irene
Batmafia 2 was my first Scum game since returning to mafia games. My strategy then was to ape my CYS behavior as long as possible, attempt to offer town-ish info, and hunt for the Riddler while doubtcasting anyone I saw as potential wagonbait. Not entirely awful, however, Titus is on a completely separate tier of Scum: she talked her way out of Mathblade's surety and was truly the driving force behind our victory in Batmafia 2. She puzzled out at least a couple of roles, and had Kalas been clearer on the Clayface!Riddler abilities and limits, we may very well have managed to win the game a Day or two sooner.

So when I say she knows better, I mean that. Between the Scum QT and my posts in-thread, she has a damn solid idea of Scum!Zenzao, and that is not how I have been in this game. She's refused to acknowledge these points as it only serves to weaken her argument to myslynch me.

If Titus is Allocen I'mma laugh, laugh, laugh at her mistaken guessing on me. Go ahead, lady. Try it. Make my bloody day. But don't you fucking wagon me D1 after what we went through in Batmafia 2. I will break your arguments. I will find fault in your behavior, which has hardly been difficult this game. And Scum!Titus, by Sloth, I will see you lynched. I bet my watch and warrant on it, thankee-sai.

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Sorry, I missed responding to you after digging through Irene's wall.

There are three potential buses going on: A, Irene/Fonti. B, Fonti/Rubicon. C, Mathblade/Fonti. I don't have strong enough Meta to debunk those options on my own. What I do have is that Fonti is a terror as Scum and Mathblade solved the Scumteam in Batmafia 2 minus KK up until the last Day or two. Comversely I have no idea how Scum!Rubicon or Scum!Irene would play, only secondhand information unless I scour one or more of their games in which they were those alignments. I believe Mathblade is more-or-less town right now, and therefore rule out bus C, leaving buses A(Irene/Fonti), and B(Fonti/Rubicon).

Does that clear things up for you?

 

Vote Count as of #559
(17 alive, 9 to Lynch)

5. Atum (2) ~ Rubicon, Bill Door
6. Luckylee (1) ~ his fluffiness
7. Blab (1) ~ Irene
8. his fluffiness (1) ~ Blab
9. Polysemous (2) ~ The Waco Kid, Mathblade
13. Titus (3) ~ Citrus, Zenzao, Riley
14. Irene (3) ~ Fontisian, Snowvon, Atum
16. Rubicon (1) ~ Polysemous

Not Voting (7) ~ Luckylee, Kento Kraitos, Titus

Day1 End