I don't like Irene for lynch today. I need to go back and brush through Polysemous's posts, I could maybe do Atum but need to brush through him as well.

It's kind of weird how the votes are all over the place right now. Largest wagon on Irene, whose vote is on Blab, whose vote is on Fluffiness, whose vote is on Luckylee? Like what?

Cough cough hey Titus has scumreads and isn't voting a single one can we lynch this please cough

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I don't really have any scum-reads right now beyond her, I've kinda settled into more not-town reads and willing-to-lynch reads.

I'd place {Bill Door, Waco Kid, Fontisian, Irene} into the pool of really really don't like lynching them today

I'd place {Rubicon, Snowvon, Mathblade} into the pool of prefer not to lynch them today

Everyone else goes here

I'd place {Titus} into the pool of would vig-shoot if I had the chance or definitely want lynched

 

Is this directed at the Sloth and I? I ask because of the color and bold

 

Yup, color + bold for you guys!

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Irene

If I could lynch a role today, I would lynch Allocen or D'Xias. But the statistics point to D1 usually ending up as a mislynch day. It's useful for voting analysis etc., so it's usually fine. But if I'm almost completely sure after my exchange with Titus that she's not a member of the town faction, and that makes her an extremely good lynch option for today.

I would be surprised if she flipped Azrael honestly, I'm expecting a group-scum or Allocen flip from her. If she right now full-claimed Azrael with a different role PM than the OP and cited bastard modding for the difference, I would absolutely not believe her - I would only believe someone who stated this if they did it while not under pressure. Which is why the survivor can't win with anyone, because then they could basically claim now or whenever Allocen is dead.

Irene
I'm not saying if someone flips Allocen everyone should use their next post to mass-claim. But I am saying that idea becomes a distinct possibility if Allocen is dead.


Honestly, I kinda expect Azrael to turn into Allocen if Allocen dies, because without such a mechanic the soup mechanic can be lost via D1 lynch. This incentivizes Azrael to target Allocen (could be told in his role PM he gains secret powers/Allocen's role if she dies).

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Whoops double alerted and I can't edit so enjoy

 

Azrael can win with others if his existence is not against their wincon

 

TerRaine Sloth Please answer 556.

Zenzao, Stop with the butthurtness. This is not Batmafia. It's a new game entirely. That being said, my arguments have holes sometimes, even moreso as town. If you want an intellectual challenge to see my thought process, pick a player. We can discuss them.

The anger seems fake to me. I need to relook at that. Also, you are supposing that you'd take the same tactic as we did when we were scum together is foolish. That's why meta hasn't played a part in my calculations. Too small of a sample size.

Read players by their thought processes. In Batmafia, I refused to engage or change reads. You want to read me, take your shot.

Irene

I am scumreading Riley for the very questions you put forth. I know I have a bastard PM so everyone else having a bastard PM is possible.

Poly's progression semms off but I am surprised he hasn't voted me yet.

Citrus, I already claimed non normal PM to Math before a single vote was cast on me. If you could quit stating that you won't believe shit unless there's evidence and then proceed to ignore the evidence. Your bias is clouding your judgment. I am good at scum, but that does not mean I am scum. Your foundation is cracking. You are not even scumreading but just putting forth alterative lynches. Stop the nonsense.

Also, I am not officially voting but I am casting unofficial votes. Right now, it's on Poly.

The game does not revovle around me. That's why I am doing my IHAS hammer routine. I am sticking with it despite being wagoned because that is protown play for me.People have gotten sick of the petty personal dramas. So if you could actually scumhunt, that would be great.

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Ninjaed...

 

I just want to point out that, it seems to me, by blatant obsessing and controlling the hammer, you're also in position to say "oops, sorry guys," if the wagon is wrong. you could potentially just put forth the impression of "it's not my fault, I was just the hammer, I finished what the group started, these guys were the ones who started the wagon." Thus the cycle of doubtcasting would begin again.

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EBWOP: Therefore I don't see your IHAS Hammer routine as very town. That's my point in case my writing confuses anyone.

 

I'll give proper response to my mentions tomorrow morning but for now: Did... did Terraine just modfirm that Azrael may not be anti-town? Does that mean my theory about Titus is accurate? That's my kneejerk reaction, and I'm going to reread through Titus to confirm that is what just happened, omg.

I would also note here that none of my scummy list of [MENTION]Blab[/USER] Kento Kraitos Rubicon Luckylee his fluffiness and Fonti has really addressed the Titus situation besides Fonti's lines about Titus' 3rd party status being an open secret. Would you like to explain that statement, fontisian? And the rest once you guys are free please do give your opinions on the Titus situation, thank you. Also [MENTION]Bill Door[/USER] Please give your views regarding this as well.

Cheers and good night.

 

My opinion is Titus is town or 3P not group scum. I really think she is town but my gut is going she could be 3P. Therefore I am willing to vote her but I would rather lynch Polysemous or Rubicon.
Titus: Would you self hammer?

 

Irene, outside of fontisian, most of them haven't posted much at all in the past 2-3 days....

Hey HF, haven't seen any reads from you in a few days...let's see them

 

Irene, That's because your scumreads suck my dear. It is antitown to force a solitary claim on day 1.

@Math, No I will not self hammer. I cannot Bahamut myself, Allocean, S'alindre or Azreal (setting aside any possiblity I could be azreal).
Riley, My job is to lolhammer. My position about the flip will be known before the flip. Why are you just bringing this up now? Why not at first? Oh right, running out of mud to throw. Scumhunt.

 

Titus: Wait, so your saying you should be the hammer despite the fact that by rule you are not allowed to hammer 3/6 non town roles??

 

I am allowed to hammer everyone.

Bahamutting is not hammering.

 

Hammering is Hammering Titus.

once you commit to it, it doesn't matter what you say before or after. The moment you become the hammer, you basically have a chance to say, "Oh crap, blame them". Especially considering you self-nominated yourself for it, which gives you even more control.

it wasn't brought up at first because I had more pressing thoughts. I don't sit here and think out a million things and then put them all into words. I go one or two at a time


Once more you just blow off what I say, "you're not scumhunting the way i want you to or the way i think you should; therefore you're not scumhunting". I'm getting real frustrated with this hypocritical bullshit.

That's not how a hammer fucking works. The hammer goes on whoever the whole Town decides on. That's how the "I just hammered, blame them" gambit works. Way to fucking go.

 

Riley, yes what I say does matter. If I hammer a lynch I am against, thebln that gives info on me. If I am for it, that gives info. I can be held accountable at the time. Everyone knows what I will do and plan for it.

Scumhunt. Ask questions. Try to determine alignments.

 

So you think that Irene is bussing fonti or that Fonti is bussing rubicon? Despite neither of them ever voting for their supposed bus target??

I don't do role hunting early game.

 

Can you quote this please, as I thought this occurred after Zenzao and I votedyou? And assuming this is true, saying 'my PM may be different' does not mean you are now immune to lynches or something. I'm voting you because I think you're scum, saying you're a neutral that has different win conditions from the OP doesn't make you a clear or anything like that because it can be faked.

Stop with throwing out generic statements. "Your bias is clouding your judgment" - I'm not biased? I think you're scum from how you've played thus far. "Your foundations are cracking" - K? Your foundations are cracking. Oh look I just did what you did. State the issues with my arguments, don't hand-wave them away. This is a major part of my problem with you, you are doubtcasting people rather than pushing your 'scum-reads' when you have an entire group-scum faction possibly pinned.

Using the hammer argument to not place a vote for the entirety of D1 is incredibly stupid. I'm in favor of policy lynching anyone who doesn't want to place their vote all day and uses the stupid hammer argument as an excuse. Plus the fact Lucky is in this game too and might play around with hammers also (which he has a track record of), meaning all sorts of shit in our votals. Yeah no, I'm not accepting that shit from you.

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Huh, I want clarification on these bussing arguments from Zenzao too. Especially ones like Fonti/Irene, because I don't see that at all.

 

Citrus,

Nope. It started before the votes. The first minor crumb was way back with Poly but very indirect. Then I was considerably more direct with Math. I'll get them but it will take a few minutes.

I throw out generic statements and then back them up in the rest of the posting. Your foundation is cracking because you keep throwing out random shit. Your bias is evident from the fact that you're making up random shit. You don't do that with anyone else. You've moved the goal posts around so far so fast I cannot keep track. First, I'm scum. Then I'm 3p. Then I'm Allocean. Then I'm scum or Allocean but not Azreal despite the fact you don't know shit about the role.

I don't have a scum faction pinned at all, hence why I'm not yelling/screaming/dominating. That being said, if I'm right, I'm sure you'll tell me.

 

Way to avoid the main thrust of my argument in favor of hand waving it away with a demand for me to do something else.

You're jedi mind tricks won't work on me.

In case you missed my point. It won't matter at Dawn whether you said you agree or not with they lynch. You still were the deciding factor. That reason (again) that I'm pointing this out is because you literally self-nominated, voted and elected into office, your self as the hammer. You never gave a choice, you never said "who ever hammers should do this," instead. you took the position and have been flouting it ever since as a reason for why you don't have to vote until the wagon's basically already decided.

I honestly don't give a flying fuck whether your views will be known before or after you hammer. That's not the only point I was making and that's a flimsy counter to only one of my points in general.

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EBWOP: Also I have to ask, why hammer a lynch you're against. That just sets up doubt and confusion in the future.

 

For Citrus,

Spoiler

#290

"Some of the role PMs are more than meets the eye". Third party might claim town aligned. (Duh because I can actually comprehend the first post Citrus). Thanks for eliminating yourself as survivor though.

#359

That's the first hint to Math.

The rest I won't highlight, bc anti-town. Just enough to prove the point.

Riley,

You have no argument. I told you I can be accountable for what I do. Period. Gee, the fact I want to hammer is not alignment indicative. Lucky does it as you said. He had zero problem with this btw. You did, until your other arguments failed.

You aren't asking questions to solve alignments. You're just dreging up shit.

Can you actually stop just repeating shit and scumhunt? K thanks. My goal has been to limit the personal drama, but you love it because you can hide.

 

EBWOP2: And please give more of a reason than "info". That's such a broad word in a game where we're all shouting at each other to give exact quotes (Zenzao still hasn't seen this from you despite repeated attempts).