Sure. Expect one of those 5 soon(ish).

 

Everything is ok. I had a very long post typed out and it got deleted twice, so I just got super defeated and trudged through the snow to my friends house.
Since here I have re-written some of it via paper. I'm going to trudge home now, shovel out my car and go to bed. If I can write out the rest of my post at work I should have it down and posted by 5:00 ish NST.

And just to let everyone know I have been on the forum and reading through the thread to keep up to date. I just wanted to sit back for and get a grasp on the new people's(to me) personalities and mannerisms. If you wish to take that as scummy go ahead I'll not argue your choice on that.

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Response to Waco by the way.

 

Luckylee Reads

Spoiler

What poke on Kento? The closest thing I see is this,

, but that doesn’t really seem like he’s actually pressuring Kento, more like a “meh. I know he’s being scummy, but I don’t want to bus him”.

I had to reread that part of the readlist to figure out what was bugging me about it. But then I figured it out. Lucky is saying that because he can’t remember Rubicon’s posts, Rubicon must be town. But to me, a player with many posts, of which you can’t remember any, well, that does not make that player towny. Quite the contrary in fact.

But I thought Atum was one of your top scumreads? Seems like he’s just trying tyo think of reasons to justify a Rubicon townread that he doesn’ty actually believe in.

To me, this feels like he’s trying to see what would be a good bandwagon to jump on by asking Citrus for a scumread. And why wouldn’t Lucky vote Atum, since he admits that Atum is his strongest scumread? (Other than fonti).

According to this post, he should be voting me or Atum after unvoting Fonti. And he’s done neither.
Something I’ve noticed about Lucky: Luckylee keeps on repeating that Atum is scum. But he’s never actually given a real reason. Just things like “he votes in orange” or “Bill’s pressure on him seems real”.
He hasn’t given real reasons for either of his townreads either (which seem to be Bill Door and Rubicon).
He doesn’t scumhunt much (he mostly just asks people for their scumreads), and yet he has a relativerly high amount of posts, many of which are just fluff.
I could see a team where blab Lucky Rubicon and KK are scum together.

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Conclusion: Definite Scum.

 

Based on Kento's scum game in Batmafia, is this how you'd expect him to play scum?

 

vote: Polysemous

I'm not willing to lynch Atum.

more in the morning probably

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fontisian, the thought process in her posts feels too organic to be made up IMO.

 

Zenzao #559
I see where you are coming from but if you are talking about her ability to puzzle out roles she can’t be Allocen, isn’t it? If she was, she would have use scrambled with her amazing role figuring out abilities?
Also, meta aside has it started to get personal about Titus?
Thanks for clearing up the bus thing.

Citrus If we don’t lynch Titus today who would you lynch in terms of players. I agree that I would rather lynch Titus than who I see as a mislynch today but uh the MODS themselves just confirmed survivor can win with town? Also Titus doesn’t seem that concerned with wanting Allocen dead. That said, I don’t know what this hidden role Titus is claiming is, or even if it’s true or false...

Riley: Answer my mention please regarding Atum. Appreciated.

Titus #570
Unless that claim allows us to weed Allocen out. I still do not have any idea what Bahamut is, but Riley probably brought it up because it occurred to him after you mention hammering?
Titus #591
Interesting list. Do you mind explaining your read on Luckylee and Kento?

Titus and Riley fight, I’ll refrain to comment since my opinion has not be swayed by this.

[MENTION]Waco[/USER] Kid #594
As I said before I don’t think Polysemous is scum for now because I have scummier people in mind, but Polysemous basically promised reads and stopped doing them, which while being lazy draws so much attention to himself that I’m not quite sure if he’s scum.

his fluffiness #607
Thank you for finally posting the reads. Would like to ask about 1) Your read on Rubicon, 2) Waco Kid 3) Polysemous.
#632
I agree with your analysis, Kento seems so hesitant to give reads it’s almost as if he doesn’t want to give them before he is sure he can check with his scum team-mates or that his reads won’t lead to team-mates being actually lynched. In fact if Bill didn’t seem like town!Bill to me I’d think he’s bussing.
I have been pushing for blab so there are some points in this post that I am surprised to have missed, thank you. However, I feel like you are just using my points on luckylee so is that a way to appear to be giving reads while not actually wanting to seem scummy? Because you put Rubicon as light town read and here you say Rubicon can be scum?
That’s all thanks.

Luckylee #610
And you are still saying nothing but random shit, while I see you reading the thread a lot. Why are you not posting? And why are you not posting legit discussion? Answer my mention even if it's a 'I don't want to' answer like Bill.

MathBlade #620
The short and arrogant answer is: If I’m Allocen more than 2-3 people would be dead by now. But in case the real Allocen decides to use Scrambling after I say this...
1. I have been pushing so hard at blab being allocen that if I’m wrong about blab you can feel free to lynch me because if blab turns out not to be allocen my credibility goes down the drain AND my suspicion as Allocen would be infinitely higher.
2. As Allocen I definitely won’t have pushed so hard for my scum team Day One given that it would be to my benefit if mislynches happen and both sides are confused and just battle it out between them. Instead of say, getting 5/6 people who if are scum, would NK me early, or if are town would want to check me. Of the people I am pushing for as scummy there was no wagon on them. In fact I went against the Atum/Fluffiness wagon despite being accused of being scum again and again. If I were Alllocen It also does me no favours to argue Titus is Azrael rather than Allocen instead of letting her get lynched as 3rd party.
3. I have been doing nothing but convincing people of alignments so far besides thinking I know who’s Allocen and Azrael, not bothering with role reads.
4. I always play like this for town in terms of meta. You can check out my meta games if you really want.
5. I really, really want Allocen dead, have been saying so since the start, and honestly I still do but blab being so non-responsive with everything happening means I can’t get further reads about him, so Rubicon is inching closer to my lynch-o-meter. (Rubicon also needs to post, btw)
Yup I think those are my 5 reasons. Wasn’t sure if that’s what you’re asking for.

Rubicon #645
??? Just in post #457 ‘https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost.php?p=798582&postcount=457’ for reference, you gave a ranking, and Atum was at the bottom of the list. This is then followed with posts defending me (Thank you, by the way for that) and then you disappear (I assume you were busy, so not scum read for that) but when you come back the first thing you do is to change your mind on Atum despite him not posting much at all? This is a very very strange vote, and propels you to my lynch-meter top.

Vote: Rubicon
I will switch my vote back if you explain why. For now, I can’t ignore the scumminess in this.

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The Waco Kid his fluffiness for mentions that didn't work ugh.

 

Irene, odd it won't let me quote you...

I've seen Poly on the thread repeatedly while not posting. Not delivering on those reads is the barest edges of my case on Poly, and I think the lack of content from Poly is designed to make people forget in the hope a new wagon starts, and to prevent Poly from connecting to any more of his buddies, and I think Lucky/Rubi work well in combo with him.

Basically the mindset you attribute to Kento in your post is what I think about Poly at this point

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Atum, pretty sure what you quoting was from a HF post, not Titus

 

Irene, basically it just makes more sense to lynch my second scumread over someone who you, fonti, Math, and others whose opinion I respect are vouching for.

Also, "X is not scum because there are people scummier than him" is poor reasoning.

 

Irene: #594 itself was posted when it was because I saw Poly was on the thread and I wanted to see if he'd respond

 

Could someone link me to what was discussed about Azrael?

 

Rubicon, I can see your logic from your second post, but the bolded section still bothers me, because you had no need to add it.

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Rubicon, this plus Titus has been claiming her role-card doesn't match the original post

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think p29-31 covers most of it

 

So Titus slipped knowledge of that mechanic before it was brought up.

The bolded section was both necessary and awesome.

 

Hmmm interesting.

Irene -- Too early for defeated scum maneuver so it is quite possible I am wrong on Poly. Rubicon again ignored a post asking for him to explain why he is not scum. Once can be an accident. Twice not so much, even if it is I know I am town but he didn't bother with it.


Vote Rubicon

Irene -- Yep that jives with prior posts. You can stay in my town area.

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To clarify I am not vouching for Titus I am merely wanting to see how this plays out. If she steps out of line then I would vote her.

 

Don't have any mentions from you, unless I'm missing something.

I'm town because my QT says I'm town. That's all there is to it.

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Oh and there's also the fact that our reads are so similar, aside from Atum. We should not be opposed, here.

 

@TerRaine Sloth
If Azrael and a town member are alive at the end of the game (they are the only two alive), does town win in that situation? Does Town AND Azrael win in that situation?

 

Gah first off, at times I read the thread at work, but I mostly skim it then so I don't completely lose control of it as it spawns to a massive amount of pages day 1. Sometimes I have it open in a tab when I'm doing work. So me being "online" and not posting is never a sign.

Anyways, let's get onto some scum hunting. And I'm deliberately choosing low posting members because gosh darn it, I won't have much free time until the weekend.

Riley pops in and out. Seems awfully scummy. Let's do him.
Riley

Total seer this one.

Yeah, my scumdar goes off when people are not able to see Town!Atum.

Random list nice.

Doesn't like troll titus, thinks she's 3p? Because he thinks:

He agrees with what I think is 3p behavior. But is troll Titus really the same as hiding? His conclusion doesn't really follow. I think Waco's more that type.

Blah.

Blah.

Have you come to a conclusion Riley? What is it, is she scum 3p? Then that's what you call her.

Rile you up: I'll admit I laughed at that.

Gah no need to get so "Riled" up. But you have convinced me you're town. So props.

More frustration.


CONCLUSION: Town. I do share your frustrations Riley. There's too many posts and too many people that it's not actually good for town. Apparently you cannot just talk about one thing, we cannot have a discussion about it, you have to spread your net and give out a complete list of scum or people start to deride you for not scumhunting *enough*. It's goddamn Day 1. We need less posts with more quality.

Doing people one by one is the only way I've found to cope with so much fluff. Anyways, you're town. And off the hook.

I do have to revise my Town!Titus call.

Also, Bill is town. It's now obvious to me that some people do not see Obv!Town!Atum clearly enough. So Bill riding him on it looks like genuine scumhunting to me. Some of his later posts convinced me as well, he seems to be genuinely confused. I'm not gonna make a big post on him just to say he's town.

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Also, not gonna be that active until the weekend kicks in. Maybe another post tomorrow hopefully with a good scum read. Like you saw with Riley, I try to pick someone I think will be a good scum read but then go through their posts again which either makes me more sure they're scum or less.

All my thought process regarding scumhunting is put here as posts. It's not like I'm hiding reads or something like that. I have feels on people and then I do this form of retrospective analysis.

I like discussions. Clear and concise ones. And sometimes they make me re-assess my reads.

 

Ugh, this was asking about a post by fluffy, not Titus.

 

It's the same as people saying every game that I exhibit scummy behavior.

Do I do it? I guess, I try not to, but I fail a lot it seems. Doesn't stop people from jumping at me and saying I'm scum.

Does that mean that Atum is definitely scum? No. Does it mean he's on my scum list? Yes.

Why?

Because it's easier to use one method every single time and let other's guess when you're Scum and when you're Town. Therefore just as others will do to me, I will put a pin in it. If it's revealed later on, i'm wrong, so be it. It's also why I wouldn't particularly choose an Atum wagon, but I'm not going to be against it , if it occurs, because it'll remove a potential mistaken red herring.

 

The Waco Kid #647
Well the mindset I attribute to Kento also stems from his few posts being rather devoid of content, whereas Polysemous actually said things that were, well, a little controversial. Given the post he has replied with I am at the moment, okay with not lynching him, that’s all. If Kento’s next post convinces me, I may switch Polysemous to replace Kento.

Rubicon #648 “It just makes more sense to lynch my second scumread over someone who you, fonti, Math and others whose opinion I respect at vouching for.”

So... you’re not changing votes because you buy our reasoning about Atum but because we are who we are and we say so??? What happened to ‘I will do what I have been doing and you guys can decide whether you will vote me for it’

Wow Rubicon what happened to you? O_O My vote stays on you. Explain this really really not Rubicon reasoning I am really thrown off.

Also, let me explain the line about ‘Polysemous is not scum because I have scummier people in mind’ it didn’t quite come out the right way. Basically I meant to say that Polysemous for now is at maybe 60% scummy level? Which means if it boils down to it I would prefer to lynch him rather than a no-lynch, but to me 70% is the threshold where I start calling out people out as scum and writing long posts about them being scummy, because 60% may be just some unexplained town-play or a mistake, so that’s my reasoning for not voting him.

#654
So... reads being similar = not be opposed??? This really smells like buddying. I’m not even sure what you are trying to do here anymore Rubi.

MathBlade #653
Eh I’m not sure what your definition of ‘step out of line’ is now I know you can’t share what she told you in secret code but could you try explaining what this would mean to you?

Also yeah to elaborate Point #2 about how Allocen would act is how I think blab is acting. Granted, he has not posted for a few days so I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt now but that’s why I keep calling him as Allocen initially and him not posting makes me nervous.

Riley #658
Good response. I would note that at least to me you have stopped with the ‘appear scummy’ thing for this game so that’s progress....? Unless you go and do something incredibly scummy then I can’t help you there. That said, if the lynch on Titus doesn’t go through but you’re not going to choose Atum who would you go with and why?

1st time I come back the entire day and have only 1 page to reply to. Not sure to be happy or to be suspicious.

 

Irene

I answered this previously with Polysemous based on interactions between Poly and Waco.

To direct you: here is where I picked up what Waco was saying. Here is my choice to vote him over Atum if it came to that, including my Town-to-Scum gut reads list with some helpful rearranging based on responses. I originally posted a non-colored list and then rearranged it for that post, just so there's no confusion, here is the original list.

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EBWOP: I still don't feel Poly and Waco resolved that dispute and Waco was making more sense at the time. Just for clarification.