Did you have that read before or after you focused in for that post? Why focus/wall on bill door if after? (On phone so I can't really look at the links)

 

Vote Count as of 1166
(16 alive, 9 to Lynch)

1. fontisian (3) ~ Snowvon, Citrus, Bill Door
3. The Waco Kid (1) ~ Mathblade
9. Polysemous (1) ~ The Waco Kid
11. Kento Kraitos (4) ~ Fontisian, His Fluffiness, Polysemous, Titus
17. Bill Door (1) ~ Kento Kraitos

Not Voting (6) ~ Atum, Luckylee, Blab, Zenzao, Irene, Riley

Day 2 End

 

I'm not particularly sure what your questioning. I'm reading it as "Did you read Bill Door as scum before you started that post? Why focus/wall on Bill Door if after?"

I thought that Bill Door was scum before I started that post. Although before I posted, my opinion on him was that he was trying to set someone up for a lynch based of my most major recent interactions with him.
After starting my post I noticed that he was just kind of coasting along with nothing pressed towards him, after only pressuring two people whom went MIA.

I'll quote the, FUCKING MIS-QUOTED read wall I back in day one for ya.

 

How have your reads changed, if at all?

 

Polysemous has been dropped down to Neutral, Irene has been taken out of Unknown and placed into Scum-Lean, Citrus has moved up to Town-Lean, Mathblade moved up to Neutal

The Waco Kid
Zenzao
Riley
his fluffiness
Citrus
Polysemous
Luckylee
Blab
Mathblade
fontisian
Snowvon
Irene
Titus
Bill Door
Atum

Rubicon

 

Any reasons for those changes?

 

Oh and why is Zenzao more town than Riley who in essence hammered?

 

MathBlade, what's your read on blab?

 

Polysemous has been dropped down to Neutral. This is due to the fact that he said he was going to be giving out his reads a day or so at a time. Spread it out, Which at the time I agreed with, I still kinda do actually. It's a lot harder to consume a humongous post then is to consume posts of above average size. Although those posts were slow coming and he never really got around to the other half of his scum. People get busy I understand that but it took the gut feeling out of my stomach.

Irene has been taken out of Unknown and placed into Scum-Lean.Irene was originally placed into unknown because of the out of context quotes, the garcia for Bill Door,(Which thinking of he never answered...) and a few wording issues I had with her posts overall. But due to the cases she has presented I didn't quite want to classify her as scum. Given the responses I have received since voting for Polysemous I see her leaning more towards scum then town.

Citrus has moved up to Town-Lean Citrus had the biggest jump from scum-lean to town-lean. This is partially due to the Rubicon lynch but mostly due to the fact that he was willing to start a forum with me instead of just voting for me and leaving it there. Considering at the time I believe the vote had reached around 5? I don't have him in the Town block for now simply because I'm still cautious over the Batmafia 2 game where I didn't nearly place him as being the Riddler.

Mathblade moved up to Neutal. This is simply do to the Rubicon lynch. I don't particularly like the interactions I(everyone) saw between her and Titus. That's what's keeping her down at the moment.

To be honest I just put people into blocks of what I think they are. Zenzao being above Riley doesn't mean that I think Zen is more town then Riley is, nor does it mean that The Waco Kid is the person whom I see to be the most town. Although in this case I was tempted to bring Riley down to a town-lean read.
This is due to the fact that Riley has mentioned on occasion that he needs hard data to speak before he can make an informed decision. As he is playing very similar to how he did in Batmafia 2 I can see his as town. But as time goes on into day two and we haven't really heard any analysis from him it makes my opinion on him slip.
Zenzao is as high on the list as he is because I just can't see him being scum from what he has posted. Zenzao is the person whom I probably know the most in this game so far due to the time that we spent together in the Scum QT. And the way he types and the mannerisms that he used just aren't what I would expect from him if he were scum.

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I'm off to bed now. I'll be back in about 16-18 hours.

 

Mod there is an error. I should not be voting. I has hammer.

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So yeah, pretty much still this.

Waco is pushing his scumreads with conviction though, so he gets a pass.

whatever is going on, I am fairly certain that fontisian and Titus are not groupscum at least(, because, you know, unaligned), so I'm going to think about whether I want to lynch in that direction when it's not in the middle of the night.

his fluffiness had a fairly important vote for Rubicon (I think making it 6 vs. 6 or something) with basically none of the people before him on the Rubicon wagon being likely scum, so yeah, probably town what with the third party claims. There is still the case where Polysemous is scum, too, but even then I feel worse about Lucky and Kento, so...

Anyway no more bonuspoints for Lucky being unaligned with his fluffiness, and both Kento and Lucky's interaction support Rubi/Kento/Lucky/???, so yeah.


Vote: Lucky

come out and play

 

Rubicon RVS'd blab so I would guess he was trying to figure out if town or 3P. Therefore I think probably not group scum. Gun to my head 3P. But there are too many of those already with Fonti claiming not any of the present ones sooo town by PoE but my gut says 3P. Therefore logic town gut 3P.

 

Vote Count 2.1 - up to #1172
(16 alive, 9 to Lynch)

fontisian (3): Snowvon, Citrus, Bill Door
Kento Kraitos (3): fontisian, his fluffiness, Polysemous
The Waco Kid (1): Mathblade
Luckylee (1): blab
Polysemous (1): The Waco Kid
Bill Door (1): Kento Kraitos

Abstain (6): Atum, Luckylee, Zenzao, Titus, Irene, Riley

Day 2 ends here.

 

Vote: Bill Door

 

Reasons are good

 

His scum team made me feel bad.

 

Just woke up, will get around to try and convince Waco Kid NO POLY IS NOT SCUM STOP TUNNELING WE ARE NOT SPENDING TWO DAYS TUNNELING HIM but first Atum

Really? Out of ALL the scummy claiming of Titus/Fontisian and Kento and Luckylee's absence you chose *BillDoor* of all people giving ONE sentence reasoning?

Congratulations you have just achieved nirvana and surpassed Kento's reason in his switch post.

You're going to have to do better. Tell us WHY his scum list makes you feel bad.

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Whelp I can't do this shit without some food down my stomach before I faint from hunger so try not to blow up the thread while I'm gone for like 2 hours.

 

Kento, do you think Irene is possibly groupscum, or 3P?

Because I personally believe that if she was going to immediately bus someone, it wouldn't be Rubicon.

 

....This game makes me feel like we have infinitely many jesters *facepalm*
Atum --- No reasons really? :/

@Kento -- A read wall is implied to be in order. :/
Please give reads in order towniest on top scummiest on bottom.

 

MathBlade #1104
Or he could be alternating between trolling and not trolling. The way I see it is, if he can toss half truths into being ‘mafia’ and get away with it he could be toss half truth of ‘Kento being scum’ and hope he gets away with it too.
I really don’t trust Fontisian with her town 3rd party thing. If all four vanilla towns have hidden ability you should have a lot more people saying they have hidden ability than just Fonti and Titus.

#1118 I agree with all your points. I really expected to die too. :\ Then I can hop off this game and get back to studying 24/7.

#1138 Lol thanks for the vote of confidence.
His waffling unfortunately was cut short (or fortunately rather) by Riley but I don’t see this being scum for him. He was the earliest to think Poly was scum, and was unlikely to be too willing to switch to Rubi (Even though he thought Rubi was scum too? That part is weird) But I can see Waco Kid genuinely just being a tunnelling and misled townie who’s frustrated.
#1148 How about both? Scum-leaning 3p survivor, distancing to survive. I can see fontisian doing that.

#1172 Following my logic you can see I basically think it can be Blab: Allocen, Titus/Fontisian either one or both are 3p but one is scum 3p and 1 is Azrael. I don’t buy the town!3p. At least, I think they need triggers (like the lynch Titus was speaking of) to switch over to town!3p. So yes, Rubicon RVS ing blab is a little worrying given that I already think blab is 3P.

#1121 fontisian See the problem is how you’re playing doesn’t exactly fit in with the ‘I want to survive’ thing but I’ll let this pass for now. I can agree with #1123. But #1148? Nonono this logic doesn’t work fonti. I don’t believe there can be TWO town-siding 3rd parties, that makes the game way too imbalanced. It’s either you or Titus. Neither of you can be on the same side while the other lives. It’s like the prophecy. Currently I’m not voting for you yet because I am not sure who is lying between you two, but you don’t get to subtly threaten helping scum while claiming town-siding. Nope.
I’ll be shocked, frankly, if there are more than three 3rd parties in the game. Assuming all of you are telling the truth.

The Waco Kid
Look Waco, I know we had the vengeance 3-way thing with Mathblade that ended up being irrelevant and all, but the way I remember it was that RUBICON joined in the Poly counter-wagon, everyone voting for Poly was giving ONE sentence of voting and sheeping you/Rubi and it was VERY hard to lynch Rubicon, to the point that 2 hours before deadline we were 7v7. Unless you’re saying Riley is scum and switched to Rubi so that Poly won’t get lynched (Rule one of mafia: Riley is always scummy, even when he’s town, but this is taking it too far) it looked a LOT more likely for Poly to be lynched at one point. Heck, if I didn’t push my damnest at Rubicon do you really think Rubicon would be dead? No. Rubicon was the one who switched to Polysemous almost IMMEDIATELY when he was being wagoned only citing that ‘I don’t want Atum dead’. By your logic was Rubicon bussing Poly? Why the hell would he bus Poly if he was trying so hard to save him?
#1135 Also other than me drawing attention to that slip NOBODY changed their minds about Poly/Rubicon based on that, because at that point EVERYONE was so sure about who they were voting for was scum. Or, you know Rubicon had Poly on the brain because he knows Poly is town?

Bill Door I would really appreciate some explanation about the Fonti/Atum/Kento part. Please. Also if Atum if you are simply voting BillDoor for calling you scum well... you are entirely knee-jerking so hard it’s not even funny.

Zenzao
Jesus with so many abilities claiming at this point it might as well be Tia using her one-shot protect without dying ability or something. *rolls eyes*
Agreed about #1150 but if Allocen is really a problem we should be lynching him instead. I think Kento and Fonti are both group scum and not Allocen.
Also given that there are ZERO deaths last night meaning that Allocen had his guesses ALL wrong I am inclined to think that Allocen used Scrambled before Let Me In, because honestly if he had used Let Me In right and gotten scum he should at least have gotten one scum in Scrambled. Hence, I think he should be using Scrambled during Day today. This is terrifying.

Well let’s get to Kento Kraitos shall we?
Billdoor: #68, #72, #74, #85, #99, #105, #114 were all at the BEGINNING 2 days of Day One, where there was literally not much to post beyond POKING at people (Which BillDoor did) and in #74 #78 I honestly don’t see scum admitting that because as a town THERE IS NOTHING TO THINK.
At #122 after poking at Atum for a while he votes for him, at that point people agreed in general Atum was being difficult and scummy-seeming. Even #136 he didn’t claim to have an opinion EITHER way (Which btw, you and luckylee liked to do by claiming opinion that seem to be what other people have already concluded and claimed them as your own. That is scummier to me) #138 #140 was frustrated!Bill

#142 was something I had to agree with BOTH Bill and Atum with. Atum thinks he answered the question genuinely and doesn’t understand Bill hounding, Bill thinks ‘discussing claiming would be unproductive’ and ‘show activity’ don’t explain why this is SCUM behaviour instead of TOWN behaviour. HE EVEN SAYS IT IN #171 WHICH YOU QUOTED.

#155 #254 more hounding. Bill is like the pug from Kingsman who thinks he’s a bulldog, kinda.
In #268 he even went against Blab to defend you (Well not defend, but point out that you were just being careful). So just because he responded to Luckylee as a joke the entire post is unproductive?

No one would mistake #271 as a contribution to the thread beyond a joke. #280 Bill goes back to tunnelling Atum #295 Bill was pointing out he disagreed with this also DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT HE HAS GIVEN NO READS. Does this seem like scum-coasting to you? #303 More atum hounding #315 Again, he directly calls me, Poly and fonti out on this for being too sure of our reads, followed with #402 that in his own opinion he can’t be sure so everyone is scum to him until proven otherwise (See this consistency of thought here? Even now he hounds Atum, I would be more suspicious if he didn’t have Atum in his scum list. The consistency of thought that you seem to have lacked when you switched from Poly to Rubicon over 1 post) #510 hounding. #557 Asking Zenzao a question that I had too, being perfectly productive. #575 Same line. He focuses on one stream of thought and doesn’t let go. Meta says town!Bill.

#701 and #731 and #738 #756 was like his first unproductive post, and even then he’s pointing out that the Titus wagon seemed off to him. #754 was again, something Town!Bill would do. He never suggested by longwinded read walls that basically concluded nothing new whatsoever about anyone in the game.

#969 was him again, pointing out that he found the Poly wagon fishy. Why would he be bussing Rubicon at that point when it was literally 7v6 and he could have lynched Poly then and there if he’d voted? Or do you buy the ‘Poly is scum’ opinion? Because I don’t see any mention of that at all.
#1130 #1133 I would let him come back and explain before I say anything.

So basically your first paragraph is: A bunch of taking things out of context,
ignoring the critical point that Bill helped to lynch Rubicon (Which btw, YOU made difficult lynching) and I guess this is groundwork for saying Bill is coasting...

Yup, sorry, try again.

#196 was because up till then there was nothing much on either Rubicon or Lucky. #256 was him listing out WHY everyone is scummy to him with the prime four examples being me, Zenzao, Polysemous, Riley. #266 was he giving reason as to why Poly is scummy. #399 was also genuine reads that contributed to the discussion at that point, he even answered me on why Lucky was a townread later in #506 and #508. Again, what are you trying to reach for?

Aand we have the discrediting #441 #520 #522 #751 where you simply say ‘given the context’ (Which I have dealt with and debunked) BillDoor pointing out your reads had NO explanation, I dealt with your explanations earlier and still find them severely lacking. This smells like discrediting to me.

Then ‘In my honest opinion I think that Bill is focus on plays that are more known to be silent during games’ ...That’s a statement of fact. An opinion would be ‘Bill is focussing on plays that are more known to be silent during games and ignoring read walls. I find that weird and scummy because I don’t think he is that lazy.’

Note that Bill is not the only townie to ignore me altogether because holy shit the words. And Bill was pointing out in #275 that Atum was not ‘pop into a game every now and then’ in THIS game with his posts, and that should matter more than meta at the point where Bill was hounding away at Atum.
Also I have asked Bill Door many questions and he has answered them all. If I had been not satisfied with his answer rest assured that I can do my OWN HOUNDING. So please don’t drag me into the ‘he has no real conversations with anyone outspoken’ thing, because I don’t buy it.

Also #1165 Again, you post reads and don’t explain ANY of the changes, when we lynched and PROVED Rubicon to be scum, Poly becomes Neutral and yet you think when I have been pushing for Rubicon all along now that he is proven scum I am scum-leaning? And how does the same thing clear Mathblade?

The Rubicon lynch made Mathblade not scum when I pushed the damnest at Rubicon and I’m scum?

Oh, that’s right, because I called you scummy, so I’m scum. The ever infallible logic.

I have not changed my mind a single bit about Kento. Terraine has missed my vote but now that we are close to quicklynch I would rather wait to see a little.

The Zenzao/Waco Kid/Riley paragraph is one of the first paragraphs I actually like and follow from you.

blab I agree totally with your post, though I have to ask, did you vote Lucky just to bring him out since you believe Kento is scum too, so you didn’t vote for him only to prevent quicklynch?

Snowvon Thanks for the vote of confidence regarding Rubicon. Please help me point that out to Kento. Also, don’t we already have enough 3rd parties running around? For goodness sake if I were Allocen it would be 4 deaths instead of 0 deaths last night.

There I said it. I’m a cocky/arrogant bitch. But I believe in what I say. At any rate, have a good day everyone I’m going to study.

I will also transfer the same thing I said about Rubicon: If Bill Door isn't town I'd run around my university shouting derpina and post proof. Lynching him would be counter-productive to town.

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blab Bill Door

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Ugh sorry for the double mentions, the mentions didn't show up the first time I posted. At any rate, I'mma going to catch up on work.