Okay with your new read wall Zenzao is still townier than Riley. Again, why?

 

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I'm kinda feeling Kento Kraitos is newb!town right now, which is semi-confirmed by the shortness of his play history. That and the fact that today's been super quiet and the wagon's just popped up all day without a peep.

I'm trying to prevent myself from dominating the thread with distracting things, but like, nobody's talking now.

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@Mods
What's the status of Luckylee/how does modkill/replacement rules come into play if he doesn't show up? Timeline for those actions?

 

Would you mind explaining your fontisian read, your blab read, and your Riley read?

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Snowvon, who do think the scum team is, and who do you think each 3p is?

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blab, same question.

 

Yeah, hi, I don't team hunt.

 

Unofficial Votal

Kento Kraitos (6): Irene (1097), his fluffiness (1101), fontisian (1111), Polysemous (1114), Snowvon (1217), MathBlade (1218)
Bill Door (2): Kento Kraitos (1160), Atum (1174)
fontisian (2): Bill Door (1130), Citrus (1136)
Luckylee (2): blab (1171), Riley (1192)
Polysemous (1): The Waco Kid (1122)

Abstaining: Luckylee, Titus, Zenzao

16 players left, 9 to lynch.

Previous votal: #1198

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Day ends in 2 days, 17 hours

 

billDoor #1181
Kento and Fonti aside, plenty of people have townread Atum for various reasons. What is your response to that?
MathBlade #1186
See the thing is... I always oversimplify instead of complicating things... so if you WANT Fonti to be scum, but she’s claiming some 3p role that’s not Allocen/Azrael, I would think she’s Scum!3P. For all we know, her wincon might just be her bussing all scum to win, given that she has bussed Rubicon as soon as tide turned AND Kento at the start of Day Two.
#1194
I believe his fluffiness has dealt with that luckylee post, because I find what Luckylee said about Rubicon to be really weird. At any rate, due to Luckylee having not posted in days there is a lot less incentive to vote him out instead of Kento, which has demonstrated scumminess very recently.
#1200
Why won’t luckylee be saying Rubicon is town then pointing at fonti? He can be trying to stop the Rubicon lynch while bussing fontisian for future reference. Fontisian wasn’t close to getting lynched on Day one. Rubicon on the other hand had already pinged a few scum-dars.
#1204
I can see your thought process but I seriously disagree with Waco Kid is scum, mostly because if anything, Waco Kid’s tunnelling reminded me of you in one of your town games, if that makes sense.
I don’t think we can give insight into Titus role unless we intend to deliberately mislynch a town, which is a hell no thank you.
#1209
The wagon does seem a little odd but it’s almost past the half way point of Day Two. I don’t think it’s considered ‘easy’ it just happens to be the leading wagon for now.
Both my gut and paper says Kento is scum so I’m sticking to it.
Titus #1185
Because if fonti doesn’t claim that she’ll be the next to go. Now people kinda want to wait around to see what happens between you two. I suggest you don’t use your Bahamut yet if we are lynching Kento/Luckylee today.
Citrus #1197
Eh blab started the luckylee voting and you know what I said about him... but I don’t think Riley/Snowvon are scum. Riley not after his last minute switch and Snowvon due to meta.
Zenzao #1210
Rofl I await your response then.
I’m not sure about Scott but with all the hidden abilities claiming I won’t be surprised if Scott turns out to be, well, having a hidden role.
If Kento isn’t scum I’ll take full responsibility and lynch myself Day Three if I manage to not die again Night Two, okay?
I suspect Allocen’s priority in Scrambled isn’t Azrael. I mean, if both Allocen and Azrael survive Allocen wins remember? Allocen may have focused on town/scum roles to guess.
I also know what you’re crumbing. I think. If Allocen gets you it is NOT me. Jesus. But if Allocen tries to implicate me he'll at least have to get what you're crumbing, so meh. Not worried.
Snowvon #1211
As Waco Kid and I said before, you’re not the only one agreeing with his final read list. I however think it is his one last ditch attempt to get us off his scum buddies by making us think ‘he won’t bus all the them... right? Right?’ So yeah.
fontisian #1212
This is weird. According to your list his fluffiness, Luckylee, Kento and Rubi are of the same team. Yet his fluffiness’ first scum list on Day One before Rubicon was getting close to lynch was Blab, Rubi, Kento and Luckylee. Are you saying a scum would bus ALL THREE scum mates day one?
If anything if Kento flips scum today I would put fluffiness onto my town meter.
Atum #1213
Well besides you on it was there any other scum you disagreed with on the list?
You really forgot him pressuring you for like 4-5 days on Day One? Because I don’t think other people have. Effectively, well, it confirmed both of you as town to me, so I’ll say that’s a win.
I don’t see scum!Bill totally just halfheartedly answering questions at the risk of appearing scummy. I don’t.
@Kento #1219
Is this a ‘I give up I can’t come up with enough bullshit to refute her.’ Post? Because all I have to say is: GOTCHA.
At any rate, yeah I have a lot of things to do too. Like STUDY FOR MED FINALS IN 3 WEEKS.
So you don’t get to pull that card mister. (No hard feelings though, hope the cake baking is fun! I don’t like baking... I’d much rather cook up a whole meal with 5 dishes by myself than sit around the oven waiting for a cake. )
Snowvon #1220
Hence you see my problem. Titus never pretended to be any OTHER 3P but fontisian claimed it, and I honestly don’t think there should be random extra 3Ps. Because if fontisian is claiming vanilla 3P there’ll be FOUR extra 3Ps running around. That is ridiculous.

Also @ everyone saying I’m a third party. Dear god, do I have to lynch the ENTIRE scum team AND allocen and Azrael before I can prove I am the towniest town to ever town? :\

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Bill Door for wrong tag. /filler

 

Irene Please read the bottom of the post first if you would be so kind, you don't have to but I would like it if you did.

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First of all I would like to start out by stating that I went though every one of Bill's posts AND linked every one of them to show that I wasn't just nit picking, cherry picking ones that made my case better or misquoting posts. That being said onto our scheduled programming.

(The link for #114 is wrong this is irksome.)
The problem with his poking people Irene is that in most cases it consisted of the bare bones to poke. Overall with the posts you outlined, and #78 which was missed, he has an average of 6-7 words per post. This is enough to acknowledge that he exists and is interacting with people. And on the note of #74 lets take a look at the context.

It was just complete and total sass, he wasn't commenting on the game-state, he was just being saucy. This is a likewise response with #78.
You are correct about #122 he did vote for Atum after he poked him for a while. The post overall was still uninformative. He voted him because Atum didn't outright say he was town and that he never answered Zenzao's question which he did. #136, The problem IS he didn't have an opinion either way, which has been a trend of his for the majority of the game thus far.
And like last game where I fucked with TerRaine by outing a communication she was putting though I have no idea what you are talking about. You're going to have to link me to this one.
And where is frustrated!Bill? I don't know what that's like because he has barely posted enough for me to shape a personality for him other then an annoying cleverbot.

And through the power of the search function I give you #75.
"Why is it a bad thing that the only purpose in Zenzao's post was "to say that discussing claiming would be unproductive and to show activity"? Why? Give an actual reason." "I don't understand why he posted it. I don't really see a town perspective in his post, but what I can imagine is why scum would do something similar, especially new scum." Man doesn't this brief conversation make so much sense? It's like Bill asked a question and Atum answered it... like... 96 posts before 171.

Bill feels more like Navi from LoZ:OoT, very persistent and repetitive.
No. No. NO! This is you just taking things out of the context it was written in again. The entire post isn't unproductive, The second part, the response to Luckylee IS.

Although... I didn't give a response on the first part of that post. I do thank you for inadvertently pointing that out.
#268, From my perspective Bill is referencing #229 while blab is making reference to #244. Considering that Blab said

It is a clear indication of what he was referencing. Bill purposely bringing the focus back to a previous post that was intended seems/seemed like a scummy thing to do.

That's why it's outlined as uninformative, #280 Yup needlessly, #295 You make it sound like he's holding a neon-sign saying "Everyone is sure about their reads, buy I have no idea what my reads are right now." It's a short comment like any other he has posted before easily skimmed over. Especially since your wall was 4 posts before it. Yes given the placement of the post. #303 No comment reasons obvious. #315 Yes he directly calls you, Fonti, and poly out on your Town reads. From what I can tell you don't get overly offended when people mention those. But thanks to your diligence I have also notice that he never answered his fluffiness' question below his post #316. In #402, Now you are just putting words in Bills mouth. He said

This response was just a sheeping of Riley's request of his reads. He didn't write an immaculate poem that needs to be delved into he just dodged.

Also the red, Ya this is one of the reasons why this post has a tint(maybe more) of lip to it. The consistency of thought here is that he refuses to say anything that will detrimentally frame him down the line, and pray tell where has he hounded Atum come Day 2? He has 6 posts 3 of which mention Atum 2 of which he had to be prodded for. And at this point I am DAMN SURE THAT YOU ARE SELECTIVELY IGNORING MY POSTS TO CHERRY PICK THEM WHEN YOU WANT!!! I have stated on TWO DISTINCT OCCASIONS that I had to go back and read ONE FUCKING THIRD of the thread. If you are going to make an argument stand on rock not sand, reads change over time. Over the span of ~250 posts I moved Poly from a gut town lean to Neutral. It's like you think that once a wall is placed it is set in stone. That it's what you need to use for the rest of the game. "What? Zenzao just stated he was Sal'iendre in the thread? Damn I thought he was town, oh well guess I can't lynch him." Neither wagon was one I wanted and given my predicament of game state (missing for multiple days) and out of game problems (computer randomly shutting down when it wants due to a older power cord then my neice) I was in no position to advocate another wagon. You YOURSELF stated that another wagon wouldn't be able to be built up in time for the end of day when wanting to build one against me. So until I'm lynched, Night Killed, Modkilled, or Scrambled. Don't, I repeat DON'T blatantly backhand remark me on something you CHOOSE to take out of context.

He agree to disagree because I still don't know Bill Door that well.
He also never gave any reads when prompted to on occasions.

You are correct on #969 except the again part. Maybe it's because he would attract the eyes of very opinionated people if he went for a vote on poly and ended it right there. Why out yourself at the very end of the day when you can simply place your vote on your buddy say your goodbyes via QT and live for a day or two longer? It isn't an elaborate plan by any means, and the response that I got by voting Poly is an easy look into the future as to what would happen if a scum tried to hammer someone other then Rubi. And I still think that there is a chance that poly is scum, just as much as I think he's town. In that case it makes the choice even easier as it's a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Only you get credit one way and flak the other.
And from the perspective I had back when I made my vote I still think that I'd rather have a potential scum that talks then one that doesn't. Can anyone explain why that this method of thinking is wrong? Because I don't understand why having more text and discussions, and interactions is a bad thing.
I thank you for that. I am also eagerly awaiting what Bill has to say for himself.

I disagree about your bolded/underlinded comment but we are allowed to think what we want.

How about this. I don't believe I can put more of my mind into a post then I have here. If you don't understand the way I am thinking about this situation then I don't know how else to explain it and I apologize for that.

#266 While simultaneously saying he doesn't necessarily scum-read him, just he doesn't like this and this.
#399 I'll take a page from Bill door on this one. These aren't opinions that are statements. What we got is a statement of townreads and him saying that people need to post more. I do agree that this post did add to the discussion at the time.
He did answer you. He didn't answer when less vocal plays asked though.
I'm "trying to reach for" the fact that he is trying to go by as un-noticed as possible. It isn't a long reach in my mind.

My post isn't the only link there. During the entirety of his 53 posts he made effort to find scum in Atum, Poly, Waco, Zenzao, and me. If you can call his posts attempts to find scum. And honestly I believe that people here are smart enough that they are able to form their own opinions. I stated my opinion on the matter and linked all of the material I was talking about. It's not as though I stated an opinion and said. Trust me on this guys, I know. And if you wish to say that stating an opinion on someone and showing why you think this way is discrediting then the entire game of mafia is based upon whom is the best at discrediting others.

I guess that I have the wrong definition of opinion. I'll take the bad on that one I guess.

I don't particularly get the whole ignoring thing. How are you going to find stuff if you don't read? I digress.
I'll give you that point as well as I havn't considered it from that perspective.
Yes he has answered all of YOUR questions I have no doubt in that. He has also answered all of Fonti's questions. And Mathblades. The point that I was trying to bring across is that there was no conversation, no back and fourth. It was a one way street where he gave an answer. I have no qualms with YOUR HOUNDING. I have qualms with HIS HOUNDING. And he still hasn't had a forum with anyone outspoken. A thing in which there is a meaningful back and fourth.

I was in between making pulled pork and doing laundry. I apologize that I wanted to get stuff out before I could have potentially gotten lynched.

Newsflash 3P is still not town. It's still a scummy faction just because you lynched off Rubicon doesn't mean that you are magically part of the town, there is still stuff I don't like about your posts and you are still suspicious to me. And as a third party you don't need to lynch off the scum team you just need to lynch off the scummiest looking target of the day. If one or two tunnels happen to be town it's not the end of the world you got Rubicon from day one. That's how I see it.

I thank you for not quick lynching though.

P.S.: I'm sure that you will look quite elegant prancing around your university.


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There are parts of this post that are... a little more directed and emotion driven. I have decided not to edit out the parts where this is seen to be true as if I did I'm not sure if the post would be anywhere where I want it to be which is entirely things from my perspective. I apologize if I offend you in any way shape or form, and to let you know now that so far day two has been super exciting because I have gotten to write and discuss and curse the ignorance of town more often then I ever did as scum in Batmafia 2. Now go read my post where I yell at you.

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Mathblade I am sorry. I started my previous post before you made yours and it is 1:30am here and I really need to go to bed, I will get to your post when I can.

I never got to bake my cake today. I was too busy typing.
It will be fun... but if you think that all there is to baking a cake is waiting for it to be done then you are sorely mistaken. From making the cake base itself, to making the fondant, to making the icing, to coloring the icing, to putting it all together there is a lot to do.
Although cooking up a whole meal does sound interesting.

 

I will address Kento's post when I'm back from visiting my annoying bunch of relatives for chinese new year, which will take probably 12 hours at least.

I check back to the thread and realise the Kento wagon is at 6 votes, wow. On one hand it is very bad to quickwagon but if we end Day before Allocen can scramble... Jesus I hate Allocen.

Meanwhile, I would like to point out (in case I get scrambled before I return) that I still find blab very suspicious as Allocen, I absolutely detest Allocen but I'm focusing on group scum now in hope that we catch D'Xias before he can use White Oblivion (Night 2). Cristiel if he's lynched also prevents scum from role-reading power roles. Sal if he's lynched just makes people not waste checks? At any rate since I can't get a wagon on who I believe is Allocen going I'll let this rest for Day Two and if he scrambles me you know who to go after!

 

Last thing I swear. I might not be back till saturday.
Tomorrow, Pub after work with a friend who's visiting from half the province away, then I actually need to get that cake done.
Friday I'm going to a different friends party (The one whom the cake is for.) and that will most likely devolve into binge drinking.
Just a heads up.

 

Oh and because I need to get this out: I'm very sure I will look more elegant NOT prancing around my university but studying.

 

One condition met.

I know who D'Xias is~

The only question is whether it's better to share it with you or holding it over your heads forever.

 

I have chocolate.

 

Ok, that's really tempting.

 

...The fact that fontisian is jumping out to get herself lynched means we're going after DXias. AFTER KENTO.

But honestly wtf are you doing fonti??? Is this some elaborate ploy to get Kento to not be lynched?

 

Is this going to be your super protown act?

 

It's increasing my value. You want D'xias lynched toDay? Offer me a free ride to Day 6.

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No, it's actually not my full pro-town thing. I'll stop here to point out to the scum team that I can still side with you, and you're too far down to be able to afford shooting me.

 

So fonti is some 3rd party role that knows who are the scum are but can choose sides...

AHA I CALLED IT SCUM!3P SURVIVOR

I'm a genius.

 

Finally, exciting things are happening.

 

Not knows. Communicates with. Tricks, if you will.

I'd really rather you didn't take a stab at my role with Allocen in the game, alright?

 

Eh if Allocen scrambles you it doesn't damage town in any way.

I severely distrust you claiming in this instant. It merely confirms that I am right about Kento. My vote stays.