One day Snow and I will be scum together, and it will be awesome.

Titus has gotten better at concealing her partners, I think.

 

Y'all are on crack if you think I am buddying anyone.
Rubicon/Pinky, There's a time for everything but strong bussing is bad generally.

@Fonti, you are pushing me as buddying the newbies yet you have themas my hypotheticsl buddies in 451. That's logically inconsistent. Pick a theory and go with it.

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Out tomorrow. Family time.

 

You were primarily buddying Pinky, the towniest of the newbies. Funny how that works.

Speaking of the newbies, Pinky, Xanidel, Jp, and Plotless, you all alluded to some level of research. Before the game started, what thought did you put into your future actions in case you rolled scum and in case you rolled town?

 

There might be a (non-game related) reason that she is talking to me in a different manner than the other newbies, but I don't care to get into it.

I wouldn't use her interaction with me as a buddying indication.

 

In theory, what team a player rolls should be irrelevant to how one plays during the day. Both scum and town try to lay low and avoid saying the wrong thing and getting misread/caught and then lynched, for the same reasons: dying means your team is closer to losing. Obviously, if one has a town role that may necessitate a change in tactics, but for vanilla town being quiet is usually the safer strategy (unless someone calls you out like you just did font).

 

Look, I know that I was being quiet at the beginning of the game, but I wasn't championing my play as the paragon of towniness.

It's an internal issue that I'm dealing with.

For you to be saying that such play is to be expected from town is either naive or scummy. If all townies held your view, there would be no scumhunting because everyone would be too busy not talking.

Vanilla town should be the loudest and nosiest members because vanilla isn't tied down to power roles that need to be protected. PR's, not vanilla, needs to avoid too much attention from scum during the night stages, but still need to participate enough to avoid provoking the wrath of town during the days.

 

Sloth -- Acknowledged. I won't find a replacement unless you want me to. Pretty much this IRL reason is one I am extremely hesitant poke/prod/replace because you might just want to come back to it to release steam/have fun or whatever and not wait for a start up. Pretty much my thoughts are if no posts during Day 2 then I might replace sadly. If you want a replacement PM me and I will see what I can do but you don't need to is my point.

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Oh and new vote count late late tonight

 

@ #454 Fontisian: Thanks

Reads:

The Waco Kid
T: Jpzh2d, TerRaine
LT: His Fluffiness, Atum, LuckyLee
Null: Sloth, Fontisian, Rubicon, Pinky
LS: Titus, Xanidel, Citrus, Plotless
S: Snowvon
his fluffiness: What are you reads on Titus & Xanidel
Atum: What are your reads on Citrus & Rubicon
Plotless: Please answer #437.

 

What's your reasoning for those reads?

 

Any reads in specific??

I'm heading out to work, so will follow up later

 

No, all of them.

 

Firstly, I was answering Fontisian, not making a comment on your posts or lack thereof.

Second, given that there's no way to know who's being truthful in their posts -and by the same token, no way to prove yourself as being honest- there's no real point in making noise just for the sake of posting.

Thirdly, there isn't any scumhunting going on -at least for day one- because of #2, just random accusations. I'm not naive, I just assume the scum players are smart enough not to give themselves away by acting any different than town. Usually the only proof of being scum or town is by mod once they die, but I'm open to discussing how to prove someone's identity when they are fully capable of lying, if such a way exists. It reminds me of the 'Fork in the road' riddle, except that the liar is capable of telling the truth, rendering the riddle unsolvable (I think).

 

That's all well and good if you don't have the capacity to think critically.

Critical thinking, unlike the name implies, doesn't mean just saying something is bad. Critical thinking is objective analysis, considering all perspectives.

But hey, if you are happy just taking posted words at face value and not considering the possible motives behind them, more power to ya being a lifetime VI.

 

Xanidel: To clarify, you intended to lurk and avoid attention regardless of your alignment? How would you intend to lynch mafia before they outnumber the town, then?

 

Fonti: Well so far as I can tell it mostly comes down to luck on either getting scumlynches on accident, or through one of the scum making a mistake that outs them. In the beginning (especially Day 1) it's more of the former, but hopefully it becomes more the latter as the games progress. Until then, yes, mostly just lurking and answering questions.

Pinky: I have no idea what a supposed lack of critical thinking has to do with my post given that I clearly have considered both motives. Every post boils down to town trying to prove they're town vs scum trying to prove they're town, or town trying to lynch suspected scum vs scum trying to lynch town. I don't see how it's possible to distinguish between the pairs so it's mostly pointless.

Nor do I know what a 'VI' is besides an insult of some kind. (Google+Wiki didn't help)

Feel free to enlighten me on either count.

 

Enlightenment

 

Town lurking in order to avoid looking suspicious is bad because it is counterproductive in that it draws more negative attention to yourself, it perpetuates the 'D1 is pointless' garbage because nobody is doing anything, and lurking only helps the scumteam.

 

Technically speaking, any action -including no action- is suspicious and could draw negative attention to yourself. I suppose that means it says more about the one making the claim than the one doing the posting. As for 'D1 is pointless': Trying to prove scum is kinda pointless on day one, but I think we may have different views on lurking. Not voting certainly helps the scumteam, but I don't see how not adding to the random arguments helps scum.

 

The bolded assumptions don't really hold up in practice. Scum have more knowledge and different motivations and this tends to come across on some level. There are people who can lie very well and play exactly the same when scum as they do when they're town, but most people aren't that good. Most people can't quite fake every little detail of their play. Most people aren't even consciously aware of the subtle little things they do as town or scum.

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^ This article from mafiascum is probably the best piece of scumhunting advice I've read. There are a lot of town behaviors that even very good scum players have trouble emulating.

 

Vote: Titus

Pretty hungover right now, so my further presence will probably have to wait until tomorrow