Can someone explain why Von is scum outside of rolefushing? That wagon has been pretty stationary.

 

Titus, would you compromise on a fontisian lynch?

 

Day 1 Vote Count (as of post 482)


Snowvon(4): The Waco Kid, Plotless, fontisian, Lucky Lee
Rubicon(1): Pinky
Titus (2): Xanidel, Citrus
his fluffiness(2): Sloth, Terraine
The Waco Kid(2): Rubicon, Snowvon
Lucky Lee (1): his fluffiness
Citrus(1): Jpzh2d, Titus

Not Voting: Atum

It takes 8 to lynch with 15 alive. Day 1 ends at : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...ND&csz=1&swk=1 or when 8 people vote a player. D1 is almost half way. Next warning at approximately 4 days.

Mod notes: No prods needed.

 

They can't. fontisian has an objectively bad case, and Waco and Luckylee basically don't exist.

Also, MathBlade, Plotless unvoted me.

 

vote: fontisian
This is pretty obviously scum-Waco but my vote will probably be more useful here.

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Pinky, I'm town and fontisian is not. Join me

 

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You're a very good hypocrite, Von.

 

Rubicon, Citrus is pretty scummy too IMO.

If Fonti falls apart, please vote Citrus with me.

Vote: Font

 

Titus, my case is stated in #325 & #329, plus the fact that I'm getting a meta read that reminds me heavily of his Filler Game Q 3P game. Defensive tone, lack of hunting, and plenty of doubtcasting.

Snowvon, I find #341 increasing more laughably ironic, as you continue to refuse to present an actual case.
Rubicon, really? If I'm scum then you should be voting for me.

 

What, not reaching out to me for my vote?

Me so jelly. Like... totes.

 

Jpzh2d: Your thoughts on Xanidel and Fontisian?

 

Snowvon and Plotless sorry I missed that. I will fix in the next vote count.

 

@Waco

Implying you have an actual case? Give me five minutes.

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Actually. Make that twenty; my mother is calling me.

 

In my last post I said I thought Fontisian was town but now my read has changed. By pointing out that (in her opinion) there was a high chance that Snowvon had a PR she has helped out the Scum by doing their rolehunting for them. Now, there is a high chance that scum are going to NK Snowvon which could potentially lose us a PR. If you are town and you have suspicions about who is a PR you don't post those suspicions as it doesn't help town and makes it easier on Scum. This means that I am now slightly scum reading Font.

As for Xanidel I pointed out in my last post that I didn't like how he said he voted for people to draw reactions, and then jumped on a wagon instead.

So I think he is on the scummy side of null.

Waco - Why are you reading me as Town when I haven't contributed much? I fell like there is no reason for me to be town read.

 

Let's take a look at these posts.

You latching onto me and not letting go from the get-go was very predictable. My only regret is that I didn't write it down in my QT for proof.

It's okay, though. I find it endearing.

72 => I don't think stating the obvious (how the mod said the game would be set up) counts as speculation.

82 => Attempting to come up with a plan to clear townies... please lynch me for my crimes.

85 => More speculating about scum roles.

Gotta hand it to you, Waco, this stuff is gold. Even I think I'm scum at this point.

TerRaine asked for top two and top bottom reads, nothing more. I delivered.

She asked me for posts by Titus that bugged me, which I provided.

You're missing the context here again w/r/t fontisian. She knows better than to scumread me when I'm town. And it's way past the point now where I'd buy an "it's okay I was just testing you!" gambit from her.

Mm hmm.

You mean we have to lynch the five-man scumteam in a particular order, or else?

Confirm scumread on Waco.

Please go back to making animal noises.

 

I'll start with your last question first. My reads come from a combination of 3 factors. 1) Reads from the posts 2) Meta (as available) 3) trying to put myself into the thought process of other players.

In your case, your reaction to Citrus' wall post read to me a town action under both #1 & #3, and your earlier vote for Rubicon, made sense under #3 from a town perspective especially one unfamiliar with Rubicon. I thought there were a few things in the early game to keep an eye on with Rubi, which have been neutralized by my meta read on him, which is why I have him as a null. As such, I have you with multiple town points, without any scum ones to match.

I disagree with your conclusion on Snowvon, from the standpoint that his play doesn't match his last game as a PR, but as a meta read it's understandable.

On Fontisian, she falls in the the null for me, because while I think she has the right conclusion, her methods of getting to it confuse me. In essence, the opposite side of the coin from Rubicon. The question is trying to figure out which is more correct

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Yeah, god knows why I'd let go of a tactic that's gotten my a correct read on you in the last 3 games we've played, including twice where you were non-town roles.


#82: Except for the fact that the role-block notification is common knowledge have been posted in the sign-up thread, so bringing it up and repeating it just begging for town-cred when you're adding nothing to the table.

#85: The top part of it is mainly irrelevant as town PR's also would be conscious of the other roles in the game given that the would know the potentially possibilities of what could have caused their own role.

The bottom of this post then proves it's a waste of time. It's true (the poss fake-claim on the block), but it makes the whole point of your "plan" irrelevant. So you, 1) stated common knowledge, 2) formed a "plan" 3) pointed out why it's flawed. Thanks for playing.


[/QUOTE]TerRaine asked for top two and top bottom reads, nothing more. I delivered.

She asked me for posts by Titus that bugged me, which I provided.[/QUOTE]

You miss the point completely. You were asked for two town and scum reads. You listed Titus as a town read, and then provided post that caused you to say, "it looks like I'm building a scum case on her but I think she's town anyway."

[/QUOTE] You're missing the context here again w/r/t fontisian. She knows better than to scumread me when I'm town. And it's way past the point now where I'd buy an "it's okay I was just testing you!" gambit from her.[/QUOTE]

You claim that Fontisian is always going to read you perfectly. Do you not remember Filler Q?? That still doesn't cover your response to Plotless in that spot nor your defensiveness when pressed by others.

w/r/t?

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EBWOP: Yay formatting

 

I fully admit to not having read the OP. It's a setup taken from MS newbie games, so I didn't think there'd be anything new I needed to know.

My Titus read is weird because I usually think, "if she's being super reasonable and making good points, she's probably scum," and also taking the inverse for when she's town.

fontisian misread me in the filler because it's a lot easier to fake being town as a 3P than it is as groupscum.

I can't remember what Plotless said, and unless it was something super insightful, I can't be assed to check.

with regards to

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Also, I believe you were asked to elaborate on your reads.

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Atum

Six posts?

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Now I'm remembering the WitchHunt game Titus ran on MS, when I didn't read the OP and townslipped because I thought there were four Witches when there were only three.

Good times.

 

fontisian is caught scum, Waco

Her reasons for townreading Snowvon in that game were spot on, he was dropping all his "I'm not mafia" tells and playing close to his town game. Confidence, good humor, unconcerned about pressure, snarky to the people attacking him. His scum-tells were subtle third party tells: flying under the radar more than usual, not seeming to care as much about who got lynched, slight buddying of fontisian to keep her from catching him. If she'd been looking for a third party, she might well have caught him, but she wasn't.

The only thing different in this game is there's no third party to get confused by! Snowvon is either groupscum or town. He's demonstrating exactly the same town tells - so why read him differently?

Her case draws on his meta when it's convenient, and ignores his meta when it's not. Why isn't Snowvon a PR? "He doesn't play like this as a PR." But he doesn't play like this as scum either, based on arguments she herself used in the Filler Game? "..."

Lack of a natural, coherent scumhunting process = scum

 

Except Von is neither confident nor in good humor. His reactions, especially early on, are angry instead of snarky. When I poked him he first expressed a need to know my opinion of him, and then fell back on my strategy of claiming a person is only scum reading me to get a reaction to encourage them to take that stance if they aren't and pass the test if they are. I can literally see him trying to use my own strategies against, as if I wasn't self aware enough to recognize them.

But none of that matters when he's slipped up and shown that he cannot be town.

Waco is also becoming increasingly likely to be town, something Rubicon and Von should have picked up on by now.

 

^ standard scum bullshit

Snowvon no doubt doesn't enjoy being your chosen mislynch for today. But he is far, far more confident than he would be if he were scum, you were town, and you caught him on Day 1. He is active and engaged and scumhunting. His reactions are natural and show normal town frustration.

Your "case" on him can be ripped apart in one sentence: He didn't read his PM in detail.

I know I didn't read mine past the role (one I've played before, nothing new to learn) and QT link. I didn't read the setup either, except that it was some modified version of Matrix6 with 5 scum.

Lack of a natural, coherent scumhunting process = scum fonti