What Pinky said.

So what are your scumreads?

 

Snowvon(2): The Waco Kid, Lucky Lee
Rubicon(1): Pinky
Titus (3): Xanidel, Citrus, fontisian
his fluffiness(1): Sloth
Lucky Lee (1): his fluffiness
Citrus(3): Jpzh2d, Atum, Terraine
fontisian(3): Rubicon, Titus, Snowvon

Not Voting: Plotless

It takes 8 to lynch with 15 alive. Day 1 ends at : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...ND&csz=1&swk=1 or when 8 people vote a player. D1 is almost half way. Next warning at approximately 4 days.

Mod notes: Sloth VLA as long as needed/wanted. Tentative Tuesday.

Prodding Jpzh2d, Plotless, The Waco Kid

 

You have Titus voting two people MathBlade

You know it's an interesting D1 when you have wagons on Fontisian, and Titus, and me lol

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Wait, no you don't I miscounted? Ignore that

 

Sorry about being inactive for a while.

Unvote: Citrus

Now that I know his 'scum-dar' list is just a different technique for him to find scum I feel less sure that he is scum.

If I had to vote for someone right now it would probably be you again. Whilst I do think Fonti has been scummy in regards to Snowvon I don't think she has done anything that would give you reason to push as hard for a lynch on her as you have been doing. Also, using meta as a scum tell is something I don't like because people don't always play the exact same way even if they are the same role and it is just a way to get more reasons for a case against someone when you don't have any real reasons yourself.

Why aren't you going to lynch Titus?

I don't like this defense of Snowvon. Even if Rubicon didn't read all of his PM or the setup (I think he did and is just trying to make up a flimsy defense of Snow) why would this relate to Snow in anyway?

I don't like this either. Why would a town player want to end the day quickly? It wouldn't help us in any way, it would just reduce the time we have to gather information and find scum. Also, why are you this sure that Fonti is scum? I've seen your reasons but I don't think they hold up.

Vote: Rubicon

 

There's no real point in prolonging the Day if half the town is going to lurk.

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The mafia know who each other are. Sometimes that spills over into their posts in the game thread. We can't properly go back and look at interactions + votes + flips properly if people don't post. Lurking makes it so much harder to see who is connected to whom.

 

So opening the door for scum to get their kill early is an acceptable alternative?

Totally makes sense, if you don't think about it.

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This is bs.

If town is lurking, it makes for less posts to have to sift through to find associatives.

If scum is lurking, you're not going to find associatives for reasons obvious.

That's pretty reachy.

 

Why is there no point to prolong the day? If half of town is lurking there is a higher chance of spotting scum and, as you said, scum interactions sometimes spill over into their thread posts so wouldn't prolonging the game increase the chance of this happening and giving us a clue on who scum is?

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Why is there no point to prolong the day? If half of town is lurking there is a higher chance of spotting scum and, as you said, scum interactions sometimes spill over into their thread posts so wouldn't prolonging the game increase the chance of this happening and giving us a clue on who scum is?

 

Terraine

Rubicon - Scum hunting…being his typical vague town self and applying spots of pressure like I saw him do in Batman. The vote hopping doesn’t bother me because as far as I see he does this all the time.

Pinky- Trolly pain in the ass Number 2. I finally start seeing some usefulness in 268 and his frustration in previous posts seems genuine. Much like JP below I understand his reasoning for seeing Scum!Rubicon I just don’t agree. He seems to hit his stride in tunneling Fluff.

Jpzh2d -Not a lot of activity but I do like what I see. His reasoning in 103 is sound even if it’s wrong. It’s the type of newbietown reasoning that makes sense if you haven’t plaid with Rubicon before.

Snowvon - I had my suspicions at the start (mostly because of the lack of pressure on Pinky for being a trolly pain in the ass like lucky) but he does seem to be pressuring in between bouts of playfulness/snarkiness. Something Fonti later claims he doesn’t have which I can easily point out a few instances of. 98, 112,

Sloth - Withholding a lot of a judgment here all things considering. I will say I did frown a bit at 53 where he proposes one of the newbies could be scum and then only questions Pinky. Then again I feel like scum Sloth is much more aggressive in his start game.

Citrus - I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt because I have been both very wrong and sort of right when it comes to Citrus in the past. I still find the Waco Titus Waco vote a bit weird. But I guess my not understanding the groupings of his scumdar and gut makes more sense then him derping that badly as scum.

Atum - …he’s very inactive which seems to be Atum as Town. But I don’t recall if he’s ever been scum in a game I’ve played. Null for now. 276 has some merit

Luckylee - Starts as a trolling pain in the ass. But…he seems very confident in his claim and I’m pretty sure I misread a lot and was distracted towards the start of game on a few things. willing to cast as Null.

Plotless - His opening post in retrospect kinda…bothers me. It seems a bit overly defensive from the starting gate. It COULD be newbie nerves…

Titus - …I do not know how I feel about her and I am keeping this at arms length after last game. I feel like she’s been more quiet this game which is weird. Don’t get her Rubicon reasoning in 342 as I feel like Rubicon ALWAYS says “I’ll tell you later” or something like it when he’s playing as town. Also don’t like 357 where she mentions gambit laying because if your a townie…why would you say “HEY ARE YOU LEAVING A TRAP?” like that. If that’s a possibility there is every reason to wait and see how it plays out

The Waco Kid - As stated before 170 is suspicious as he gives all these reads for people he finds scummy…but does’t give anything for Snow? Also gives 4 scum reads and forgoes mentioning any town reads at all.

Xanidel - I’ve been saying from Page 1 something seems off about him with his start of what seemed to be a serious vote on Titus for the sake of not getting “stalled out.” It was too early in the Day to even blink at the time we had left.

Do NOT like the idea of probability guesses he has in 56 because the law of probability is way too flawed in this type of game.

Xan’s opinion on things seem to change midway through D1.

He goes from poking reactions out of people to sitting back and watching unless prodded in 235. He seems to adopt Pinky’s play once the pressure is off pinky.

His fluffiness - Do not like 35. It seems like a cheap grab for town points against a newbie who had at that point posted once.

Also...

Spoiler

The sample role PMs from sign up said scum don’t have day chat…so I don’t buy the “clueless townie” post that scum buddies told Plotless anything when its right in the signups they couldn’t have.

He’s pretty defensive from the get go. When questioned about his odd comment to Plotless he reels around to kinda shed doubt on me.

His interactions are low at the start. in fact they seem contained to Plotless and anything outside of him need to be instigated by another player…which as said above resulted in some defensiveness.

269’S rainbow is bleh at best. His top 3 town reads all seem to be based on “They give reads.” It’s a weak reason to me. Also seems to make up some random claim I’m pushing Rubicon as scum because I’m seeing how others are reacting to him. It seems to go remiss that the people I questioned about Rubicon were people I was suspicious of at the time.

Also find it weird Pinky is scum for finding D1 useless and frustrating but Xan is null when he said something similar.

Something I notice is every time I point out an inconsistency with fluff at first is he backwaters a bit. Until I vote him that is and defensive sarcasmpalooza.

Fonti - her frustration in 38 could be genuine town getting their scum trap sprung….it could have also been frustrated scum trying to coach a newbie in thread only to have someone fall into it.

I don’t get why Fonti has a town read on Citrus in 65 because honest he hadn’t posted any content by that point. He’s posted a back and forth vote and an observation on how long the game would be. The start of her Snow pressure and her labeling him scum at this point in the game too doesn’t make much sense to me because I don’t see how you rank Xanidel as the top town by that point. He’s being suspicious.

Also don’t get how calling titus a “he" means he read games without a coach…if he read old games with Titus in them he would see her being called "her" and "she" several times. This isn’t a sign of not having a coach its a sign that like he said, he played FFX recently and word association.

If anything this strikes me again as scum not able to communicate and get their facts straight. Which leads into 88…she is setting up a blanket to protect herself and her scum mates. Later on she can say well OBVIOUSLY I’m not scum if I was why would I try to communicate in game?

Her case against Snow kinda…baffles me. She sites his being self conscious (which i don’t see) as being a scum tell for him in 242. Yet in 246 she says his big town tell is his care about being right or wrong and his guilt when he’s wrong. Wouldn’t that logically mean TOWN Snow is the self conscious one? You say he’s acting self conscious in this game…but by you logic if he was acting unsure of his vote and worried about being wrong that would make him town.

In other words....

Vote Fonti

 

I'm gonna need you to walk me through that.

My point was that town should be posting more instead of lurking, not that we should sit back and let the scumteam shoot us.

Please stop encouraging lurking.

 

Wow.

Unvote
Vote TerRaine

Holy shit Ter. Did you try to fake a consistent thought process at all?

 

And there's the defensive scum rage.

 

You had a 180 turn on specific things said about me, Citrus, Snowvon and Rubicon. You have a town read on Sloth despite doubts expressed about him. You claim to have absolutely faith in Rubicon, despite the fact that he is one of the slipperiest players on the forum. I mean, I never even have complete faith in my Rubicon read. Your Waco read is disingenuous (he didn't "forgot," he chose not to give townreads). Your copy-pasting from the signup thread now, instead of when the signup pms where mentioned Days ago, implies that you didn't want the information out there but are frustrated that it's being used to be clear townies. Your placement on my wagon is a typical scum slot. And, to cap it off, there is no way you believe your arguments against me. Would you like me to tear them apart?

You're scum Ter, and that readwall was a huge mistake.

 

Citrus will fix next vote count Thanks :$

Plotless has asked for a replacement. If one cannot be found by start of day 2 I will need to mod kill the slot.

 

I'm okay with Ter.

Ter, if fonti were to flip town, I'd probably still look at Pinky, and I'd also take her non-Snowvon reads a lot more seriously in retrospect knowing they were genuine.

 

Here's Ter yesterday, attacking Citrus for 1.Early voting weirdness, 2.Strange interactions with Waco, 3.Calling her town after asking why I thought she was town, 4. His gut reads and scumdar not matching up.

I then addressed point 4.

Ter then goes from having Citrus as her strongest scum read to:

 

I'm not really that slippery.

 

On citrus yes. Because as i said there was more of a chance at his read wall being grouped in a way I don't get then him derping so bad he listed polar opposites in the same post.

Snowvon reacted well to my pressure and his reaction to my voting made me go back and realize I was wrong and that your case on him was shit.

Rubicon...yea that's just bullshit. Never called him scum.

And as for you? I began to be suspicious of you a page or so back when I pointed out parts of your Snow case didn't jive with me. So I went back and looked to see what else didn't.

Very "disingenuous" Fonti. I have a null/mild town lean. Though its interesting you immediately jump that its totally a town read. I have less scum feelings then I do town. If Sloth was a town read he'd be in blue. He isnt.

To borrow a phrase from you. False. I have absolute faith in myself as town. I have a high scum read on Rubicon for the pressure he's put on his reads and his play emulating past Games I have played with him as town.

Sweet summer child stop making up things when I can go back and quote what was said.

You're scrambling to OMGUS me here so hard that you aren't even reading what you're arguing against.

Since you're obviously not reading my posts unless they're involving you. I'll remind you I was sick days ago. If you want I can regale you of stories about that?

Please continue to spiral.

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If Fonti flipped town I would still be wary of fluffy and genuine or not I don't get her case on snowvon. I'd probably want to keep an eye on Lucky as well.

What about Pinky bothers you in a tow fonti scenario?

 

Like I said yesterday, I just can't wrap my head around why he townreads fontisian so hard, considering how he keeps emphasizing that he has no meta experience with her and that he doesn't feel confident about his D1 reads in general lately.

 

First off, to address "Wouldn’t that logically mean TOWN Snow is the self conscious one?": No, it wouldn't, and it's ridiculous to think so. Town Von is concerned with the accuracy of his reads. Self-consciousness comes into play when he freaks out at every little poke and mention. They are nothing alike.

Second, I believe that the Von case "baffles her," as it's clear from the second quote that she hasn't read it. I do not believe that her town read on Von came about in any truthful way, as she was
previously suspicious of Von and and disagreed with Rubicon's townread.

Third, she jumps from refuting Rubicon's arguments about my playstyle to approving of the pressure, with no explanations in between.

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Snow what are your thoughts on Fluff?