If fonti is lynched and flips town, how does that impact your read of Plotless?

 

Rubicon, dear, what's the difference between spin and figuring things out? When is a newbie lurk a scum!lurk? And how are you failing to notice Waco's townie thing?

 

Pinky, if that were to happen somehow, I'd have to take away that small mark.

Excellent questions. The difference between spin and figuring things out is that the latter is based on a natural, coherent scummhunting process -- you haven't had one. It pays attention to context and gives people the benefit of the doubt at times. Spin is manipulative, and tries to twist facts to make people look bad.

Telling the difference between a newbie!lurk and a scum!lurk is mostly about considering the mindset behind the posts they do make. Plotless' post looks confident - he's not afraid to be the first one to talk and draw attention to himself. Xanidel's posts have a believable attitude behind them, and he seems to do his best to answer questions as best he can when pressed.

If Waco has a townie thing, I haven't noticed it because I don't already know who the town and mafia are. It's certainly not obvious to me at all.

 

1.See, I think I do have a very clear thought process and your claim not to see it is baffling.

2. Posting first as scum is easy. I should know, I've done it. It's the posts afterwards that start to get difficult. Look at Plotless', and you can see him steadily attempting to avoid conflict. Add in the attempted save from Sloth, the lack of buddying to him from Titus, and Titus' jump to disprove my Plotless/Sloth connection, and we have a pretty evident scumteam. The difficulty is in finding the other two.

3. Twice now, when Waco was asked questions he had chances to make himself look good by answering promptly and within the guidelines of the question. Instead, he choose to give the answers he wanted and ask for clarification before putting the work. Waco's a high intensity player. If this was his first scum game, he'd be putting in an effort to get townread. But here, he doesn't have any shits to give, because he's town.

 

So wait... at first, posting as town in the beginning is easy... then you go on to explain how you're making connections because they're having to defend each other?

Why would there be a need for scum to be covering each other's ass in the beginning if posting is so easy right now?

There's a logical disconnect in your reasoning.

 

Well, thanks for explaining your side of things. If you flip town somehow, I'll keep it in mind.

 

The very first post feels easy, Pinky, not the whole beginning.

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You're running perilously close to being useless again.

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I'm in the first Mafia Championship game. Expect an activity drop.

 

I'm really disappointed that you would feel the need to point out something so obvious. I was hoping you were trying to make some sort of point.

 

Rubicon had the mistaken impression that posting first is a town tell for a newbie. I was addressing that.

 

@Fonti, there's a mafia championship game?

My trial isn't going so I'll be here.

Fonti calling out a scumteam (although one I know is partially wrong) makes me feel a smidge better about Fonti. She tends to do that as town. It's part of the reason I had to explode on her that one game I was the bomb. She had accurately picked out the scumteam.

The fact she's inaccurate here though is a point against her and she makes assumptions based on one to reach me. Given they worked well, I have to assume that either Fonti's scumhunting skills are not as good, Plotless apparently throws a monkey wrech into things, or Fonti's scum.

 

Titus, you never answered the question I asked you a while back. You said my theory that Sloth voted fluffiness in the beginning to take attention away from Plotless "makes less sense than Rubicon's adhoc justification." (Post 226) Why did you think that?

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Rubicon: What changed your mind on Xanidel?

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If that's true, why when I attacked Titus shortly afterwards did you only say:

and

Why not say that you thought Titus was town and try to convince me then?

 

Ok in 226 we were talking about 37. Plotless/Sloth relationship doesn't really make much sense. Frankly, those interactions are making assumptions that make no sense.

Plotless not opening with a vote because "I don't know how you people operate" suggests he's not a newbie but also suggests he hasn't read many games here as they ALL start with RVS. Either that, or he was faking to deliberately get us out of RVS.

That leads us to the dichotomy of post 37. Sloth is responding to Fluffiness stating that Plotless's buddies told him to say that. Fluff's comment taken seriously is a point against Sloth, but not him being linked with Plotless.

The assumption should be lack of daychat entirely. This newbie setup does not typically come with daychat. So Fluffiness implying daychat is off. There could have been prechat but coaching a buddy to make that post makes zero sense. Coaching buddies isn't done by telling them "type this". It's done by subtle gestures and general descriptions like "stand out" or "be awkward".

Fluff's vote here seems really awkward in retrospect. He's not that new and is not likely to assume daychat or coaching in that manner if he's read PTs of scum coaching newbies.

Sloth "saving" Plotless here is also too direct and over the top. Sloth isn't that type of player. Sloth's vote mirrors the same confusion that I had when reading said post. If someone was wanting to save Plotless because they are ineffective at coaching him, you'd look for a distractionary parked wagon...

That resembles the Snowvon wagon, which is why I've had issues with it.


Parked wagons hide something. Either a buddy was in trouble when it formed, or it's a wagon on scum and scum are resisting bussing.

I want to hack that Snowvon case because it will say a lot. Day 1 wagons tend to at the end game.

 

TerRaine already showed us that scum don't have day chat. Also, Fluff didn't vote. He poked Plotless aggressively, and then explained his reasoning after Plotless responded.

 

Fluff's vote should be Fluff's push. You're right. I got distracted when typing the post.


And if scum do not have daychat, scum didn't coach Plotless to make that specific post as they'd have no way to coach the reactions aftwards. This doesn't rule out Plotless scum but the whole Sloth to the rescue makes zero sense from a logical perspective.

 

I am a mod. I post things like vote counts except when like no votes change since the last one.

So today I am invisible mod except to say a little more than 3 days left.

 

Oh wow, I completely missed that.

Yeah, that's just silly.

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First quote is theory talk. Doesn't mean much as alignment goes. I'd have said it regardless of either of our alignments.

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And as far as why I didn't convince you that Titus was town, I was leaning that way but not completely sold as of my initial ISO.

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Titus have you worked out who I am or no?

I'm confused.

 

Not going into detail (and I'm not like dying or anything) but had some health issues and between bloodwork and doctor appts by the time I could sit down and look at the thread I was mumbling half focused idiot.

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Why does that suggest not newbie?

 

Pinky, Not a vlue on your ID.
TerRaine, It's the word choice. "You people operate" suggests that he is familiar with some other site. If not, he would likely say something less specific such as "I don't get how this goes"..

 

Can I get a rainbow form you Titus?

 

I'm hurt that you don't remember the scummer at TitusMeet that asked for Patron when you guys went on your beer run.

Sauza was cool, though.