You mean when Ron won the Quidditch Cup with a bunch of backups because Harry and the twins were suspended? Or are you thinking of book 6 when JKR makes it clear Ron is extremely talented at quidditch, but lacks confidence? I don't remember anyone singing Potter Is Our King.

 

Ron never held Harry back. Harry held himself back. If he wanted to be more studious and magically "powerful" or whatever, then he would have. Clearly, that wasn't what he wanted. Harry only wanted to have a good time with a good friend. Ron just happened to be that friend.

 

Neville I don't like how he went from a useless squib to being more awesome than Harry. I felt it was completely realistic.

Molly Weasley honestly who the hell does she think she is ordering Sirius around in his own fucking house.

 

You dislike realistic things? Or did you mean unrealistic?
Also, Neville was never a Squib, Squibs are a specific thing. Neville was just shite at magic, he wasn't unmagical.

 

I did mean unrealistic. Neville goes from a pretty much a near squib pathetic wizard who is scared of Snape and his grandmother to standing up to Voldemort, killing Nagini and leading the DA under Death Eaters. Being way more awesome than Harry in general. How unrealistic is that?

 

There was a lot of character development in between early scared and useless Neville and later awesome Neville. After all, by far his biggest issue with using magic was that his confidence was in the gutter, rather than any lack of skill.

 

It's called character development. Plus your skipping a ton of stuff in between. He stands up to Harry, Ron, and Hermione at the end of Book 1, and in Book 5 he's part of the DA and rides off alongside Harry to the Department of Mysteries. And he had an entire year under Death Eater rule at Hogwarts to come into his own.

 

Does no one hate Dumbledore?

He keeps Harry in the dark, HE CHOSE to place Harry with the Dursley's and in OotP he states that HE made the decision - who gave him that right and he's above the law, and he used Harry as a pawn.

I despise Ron. I'd never even tolerated someone like him. He's shallow, he's not ambitious, he's dumb, he's jealous, and he thrives on the superficial superseding of others. He's a prejudiced bigot. Let him trade places with Draco (since birth) and he'd just be another Draco.

Hermione. She is not intelligent she is book smart by spending so much time in the damn libary cause she has ne friends. She is ugly and knows it. She is a total bitch "You know Harry I was kinda right about the prince thing..." DIE! She flaunts her knowledge like everyone should worship her and not just kill the stupid bitch.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Harry as their most hated canon character. I hate how he sits around on his but all day thinking about his chest-monster or quidditch or how stupid Malfoy is instead of learning spells to help himself and applying himself in school. It is forgivable to be 11 and naive. It is forgivable to be 12 and naive. But when at 13 you again have your life endangered at your boarding school - some hard fucking questions should start to be asked of your minders. When your 4th year brings you unwanted attention and an invite into a tournament you shouldn't be in and a dead peer and a resurrected dark lord - naivete should have molted and some deep soul searching (and hell raising) should have started to occur. Instead, he acts the part of a whiny little adolescent bitch in OotP (Voldemort induced tantrums or not) - and regresses even further in ineptitude in HBP and DH.

 

Whoa. You mean there was an intense amount of character development for a relatively important tertiary character in the span of the million+ words between books 1 and 7?

I don't know how I can handle this

 

God it must have been painful to read 7 books.

 

I cant dislike Snape after watching Joe Moses's portrayal of him in A Very Potter Musical, he's hilarious in that show

 

I generally can't understand how anyone could dislike Hermione, maybe except while being in jest.

The girl's absolutely annoying in class, but I could ignore it because the girl has a lot to prove against the stigma of her birth. Other than that, everything else listed here seems like it has been taken out of context. Hermione's fixated on a few things? Its because Harry never learnt from his mistakes.

That's also why I can never take Powerful!Harry stories seriously.

As much as I love him, Harry always has the ideas of trusting complete strangers over the girl he called the brightest of her year. He trusted Riddle into believing Hagrid opened the Chamber. Maybe he dodged the bullet in third year in the form of Sirius not being a complete murderer, and that lulled him into a sense of security, but he got Sirius killed because he trusted a vision of Voldemort, and he still trusted a strange book into almost murdering someone else (that someone else being Malfoy is irrelevant). Hermione is like the friend who saw their friend turning to a trainwreck time and time again, and no matter what you say they wouldn't listen to reason. Tell me none of you has ever felt like it before.

It's ironic that when Neville stood up against Harry, he was rewarded for it. When Hermione did, she received grief from all quarters. Shunned by her friends, hated by readers. As popular as the girl is in fan fiction (which always felt like some writers like to project their insecurities into her and turn her into their self insert than anything), Hermione is one of the most underrated characters in the book.


Among the good guys, I can never stand Ginny. Maybe it is her being the Mary Sue, the lack of character development, or her always forgiven nastiness under Harry's rose-tilted Oedipus complex, but I've not liked her since she whined to Harry about only going to Yule Ball with Neville as her last resort, her humor always at someone else's expense and her cutting remarks to get what she wanted (truly hated her during sixth years, as misguided as he was, Ron was worried about Ginny and she has no qualm about bringing his insecurity to attack him). Maybe I'm biased because I like Harry and Luna as a couple, but I sincerely doubt it.

 

That's kinda ironic, because Hermione is the mother of Mary Sues. Rowling pretty much admitted she was her own self-insert, and she mostly served as a problem-solving, infodump plot device that also somehow turns into a hawt girl that the jocks lust after.

And while Ginny doesn't lack in nastiness, it pales in comparison to Hermione, who dispatches her adversaries by tricking them into a centaur gang-rape (at the same time also making the retarded, arrogant mistake of telling that to the centaurs), or confounding them just so her bf could get a Quidditch position, or permanently disfiguring their face with the word sneak (I wonder how she'd like it if Harry did the same to her after she sneaked on his Firebolt.)

She was pretty much unlikable ever since we first met her on the train, giving her little "look at me!" speech. Would you like to be friends with someone like that? I know I wouldn't.

 

Welp.

The girl's absolutely arrogant about her intellect, but I really don't see it at all in that scene. Harry was stammering, and Hermione tried that hard mostly because she wanted to help out Harry, it aligns much more with the nature of her character. How was an eleven year old girl with a respect for authority supposed to know a teacher she has never met had a life long grudge toward a dead man whose son has practically been an orphan since birth?

Yes, it is as ridiculous as it sounds.

About the Levitation Charm, please look at it this way, you are a young child introduced to absolutely wondrous world, with a love of learning unrivalled by anyone. Introduced to a boy next to you who has been in this world since birth, but showed absolutely zero respect to what he has, he doesn't even try. Are you not annoyed, at all?

The thing about Hermione, is that Harry has the same work ethic as Ron, so its easier to forgive Ron to snap at Hermione about her work ethic. But don't forget that as annoyed as Ron is with Hermione's perfectionist attitude, she is annoyed by his indolence too.

Don't forget, Hermione did warn Harry off about the broom after he received it. Didn't he just leave to fly it, despite already almost died once to a cursed broom? With how Harry treated Hermione after McGonagall had stated she believed it was from Sirius too, I doubt he would have listened even if she tried again. It wasn't the first, nor the last.

About Crookshanks, I don't really get how Ron was the one ultimately at the wrong, the one that didn't apologize and Hermione was the one being hated? How was she supposed to apologize if you remember how awful Ron has been right after? He drove her to tears and leave the room more than once, when she tried to talk to him about Remus's lycanthropy he snapped at her. And in the end, she did apologize, even when it turned out she was innocent, she didn't turn to Ron and say "screw you, I was right". When it comes down to it, Hermione in dead or alive situations never rubbed into Harry's face for being stupid. She didn't when she almost died following Harry into a certain trap in book 5, she didn't when she saved his life in another situation in book 7, earning her his resentment because his wand broke.

Any pettier person would, but she didn't.

I always feel like people hate Hermione mainly because she has the gal to be smarter than Harry (someone above already stated he hated her for being right, heaven forbids anyone using their brain for something else other than a hat rack). I've seen too many powerful!manipulative!Harry fanfics (it is a thing, a big big thing) to know he's celebrated for things Hermione is hated for. So yes, nothing really justifies hating her. Be wary of her more Slytherin tendencies, sure, hating? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Atram Noctem:
Yes it is the same thing, hurting your enemy because they hurt your friends, and hurt your brother because he cares about you. It totally justifies Ginny being horrid to Ron.

Hermione is SI, but book-Hermione is the furthest thing to a Mary Sue. Her pre-Hogwarr years probably was lonely, she is socially inept. Ginny was portrayed as someone without flaws, even though the underlying flaws of hers are celebrated instead.

Yes, hate an eleven year old girl because she wants to have friends, and not having the ability to do it easily like others. Sounds great.

 

You do realize how hypocritical it is that you say Hermione isn't a Mary Sue because her eleven year old self had faults, and then immediately say that Ginny is a Mary Sue? Yes, because eleven year old Ginny was a vision of perfection.

Also, the time Ginny and Ron had an argument, Ron all but called Ginny a whore because he caught her kissing Dean. As such, Ginny was perfectly within her rights to make suggestive comments about Ron and Pigwidgeon. Read the books again and then argue.

 

Eleven years old? Please. Hermione retains her social ineptness even until later. She's still arrogant, she's still uppity about rules (until the rules no longer fit her purposes then she chucked it aside). The girl's pretty much a hypocrite.

Ginny? Oh, she has flaws as eleven year-old, sure. Then bam, she disappeared for few books, then appeared in Half-blooded becoming the perfect Princess for Harry. She was beautiful enough that even Slytherins have to comment on it. She was fiery, popular, could hold her own against anyone, she was a Quidditch Genius who could play two different Quidditch positions and became the soul of the Gryffindor Quidditch Team.

Nothing she did ever got payback, even though anyone else would have been caught hexing others in public. Her humor is always at someone else's expense, either at Ron or the running gag with "Phlegm", it was as unfunny as it was bitchy.

For that confrontation, sure, Ron hasn't been the best. But I barely even thought about her talking about Ron kissing Pig. It was unforgivable when she knew he was in love with Hermione, and she dragged it out that the girl he was in love with kissed someone else, an information I guaranteed you was told in confidence from Hermione because, you know, girl code? It was as traitorous as it was cutting, but then, it wasn't like it was the first time. In OotP, she was as vicious to Hermione because the girl was worried that Harry could potentially ruin the chance of winning for the Gryffindor quidditch team. When has Ginevra Weasley ever hold herself back from being a bitch to people who are supposedly dear to her, when they are not on her side? Ever?

Ginevra Weasley is lazy writing at best, information about her supposed sudden transformation was thrown to the reader's face, and whenever she did something rather ugly and nasty, she always got away scot-free. Even Harry never got that. So yea, the girl's a freaking Mary Sue, a bad one. I've read the books, happy?

 

Oh noes, Ginny made a joke about Ron kissing an owl because he was being an asshole. Oh, the horror. It certainly is much more horrible then leading a woman to be gang-raped by horses. Surely, having a bad sense of humour is much worse than having no humour at all, like, you know who... (let this not be a suggestion that I like Ginny - she's just slightly less annoying than Hermione due to her minor role).

You said it yourself - Hermione is a socially inept hypocrite. Just as Malfoy was socially inept in his attempt to befriend Harry, so was Hermione in the same attempt (assuming that her grand monologue truly had the intention of befriending them), and her behaviour ultimately makes her disliked. I honestly believe that the books would have been better without her, or at least with a modified Hermione. Her own excessive talent is probably what held Harry back from getting better on his own. She's just a plot device that has no likeable characteristics beyond the help she provides. But then again, the series needed a character for nerdy girls across the globe to project themselves into.

You mean she didn't go all "Hey Harry not to hurt your feelings or anything but I discovered that the guy who killed Dumbledore is totally the same guy I warned you about being obsessed with"? Or did the same at the end of PoA? You mean she didn't (very tactlessly) preached Harry about his "saving people thing" and gone "none of this would've happened if you had just studied Occlumency!", before flying off to the ministry in OotP?

 

You know, there's a little book called Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix that came out before HBP that featured quite a bit of Ginny. Read it.

Again, read OoTP. Ginny wasn't an instant Quidditch prodigy like Harry. It is directly stated in OoTP that she wasn't as good as him, that Angelina was distinctly unenthusiastic about her and that Harry could have easily won the match against Hufflepuff were he seeker instead of Ginny. Her growth in Quidditch is somewhat organic -- in fact, she's the only character in the series to have organic growth as far as Quidditch is concerned.

The hexing thing was shown to be Slughorn's character flaw. Also, Ginny was proved to be wrong about Fleur in the end when Molly accepts her and Ginny is forced to as well. Being proved wrong is hardly a Mary Sue trait. Or did you not read HBP either?

Rest assured, there are plenty of people who like Ginny's sense of humor. Her character does not exist to solely amuse you. Yes, much of humor is at other peoples' expense, and yes, she can be immature sometimes, and yes, that is a character flaw, along with her temper and tendency to pick up fights. It's not as if she destroys people in verbal arguments -- both Ron and Hermione give as good as they get, and she left her fight with Ron 'close to tears'.

(Also, if you dislike Ginny for being funny at other peoples' expense, then you must really hate the twins. Also Ron, albeit to a lesser extent.)

Really? Really? Girl Code? That's your justification for imagining things there is not the slightest evidence of? Try harder.

As for the loud 'Mary Sue' arguments (which, of course, ignores her eleven year self because they don't fit in your worldview, which of course, means that it doesn't exist), see the pet peeves thread here and here.

Also, read the damn books.

 

Can't we all just agree that both of them had annoying traits and leave it at that?