What Kalas said, part of why I feel like that votal summary isn't useful.

Zenzao, I'm voting you right now based on what I think as opposed to specifically what Titus said.

 

#1351

Day 1 ends at: This time (~3.2 days left)

17 alive, 9 to lynch

TMNTurtwig (7): Titus (#107), Newcomb (#112), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)
Jan (3): MathBlade (#1048), Kalas (#1060), Zenzao (#1108)
Titus (2): The Waco Kid (#280), TMNTurtwig (#692)
Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683)

Abstaining: Rubicon, Qgqqqqq, Banks


#1884

Day 1 ends at: This time (~2.1 days left)

17 alive, 9 to lynch

TMNTurtwig (6): Titus (#107), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)
Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683)
Jan (1): MathBlade (#1048)
Rubicon (1): Banks (#1504)
MathBlade (1): Newcomb (#1678)

Abstaining: Rubicon, Qgqqqqq, Kalas, TMNTurtwig, The Waco Kid, Zenzao


Votes that happen after that :
Rubicon votes on Pozzai #1885
Newcomb unvotes on Mathblade #1934
Mathblade unvotes on me #1952

#2054 TMNT claims Danzo.

Votecount at that point :

TMNTurtwig (6): Titus (#107), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)
Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683) Rubicon (#1885)
Rubicon (1): Banks (#1504)


Abstaining:Qgqqqqq, Kalas, TMNTurtwig, The Waco Kid, Zenzao, Newcomb, Mathblade


I have never tried to analyze a vote on forum mafia, so i will leave this one for the ppl wo think they can get any infos out of it.

Didn't color the official two votes coming beforehand, just pasted them in to make the picture complete, in case there is info in them that I don't see.

 

That's.. actually a helpful post Jan. Thank you. Does wagon analysis happen a lot in vid mafia?

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Assumptions made, NK's were town. Rubicon/MB were scum. Q is colored yellow as I'm not sure where to place him (not that it mattered D1).

 

A. avoidance of the last part of my paragraph in #3755, b. excuse to deflect attention away from the fact that you aren't doing anything while also subtly implying that the extension can be a bad thing. There isn't anything to decide here, Snow. The extension so that New can show up isn't a subject for contention.

Know why we ended up lynching Qg yesterDay? Because we all did fuck-all for most of D3, and those who were posting were dancing around the bush rather than make any viable posts(I'm looking at Titus here the most, how hard would it have been to present a case rather than 'oh now I'm staying hands off make up your own minds' I mean really? Really?).

So you aren't taking Conf!town player's thoughts and walls into account, okay then. Keep pushing your Scum!agenda.

And so you have nothing to say about D2 or D3. The amount of apathy in this game thread is sickening.

I don't buy that. You were heavily swayed by Titus right at DayEnd, going so far as to vote me based off what she was posting.

Post some reasons. Give me something to work with here.

Snowvon on TMNT toward the middle of the TMNT wagon, Math on Jan, Atum on Pozzai early, and Rubicon and Qg abstaining.

No noticeable change.

Snow still on TMNT. Atum and Rubicon together on Pozzai. Math and Qg abstaining.

 

Kalas: Hey Zenzao. The fact that you're ignoring the important votes of the most important Day is troubling seeing as you're scumhunting through VCA.

Zenzao: YOU DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THIS GAME! GRWEAYH%$TWU#HR$Y

Calm the fuck down. VCA needs to be done with a clear head.

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Citrus if you're actually interested in doing VCA I'd like an in depth analysis of Day 2.

 

Uhh uuuhh!

Funfact! On day 1 and day 3 Z + Kalas voted on me when ppl were trying to build wagons

Day 1 it was Math trying to form a wagon on me, Day 3 it was Kalas making a case and Z jumpoing on it, near the end of the day.

That wagon dissolved pretty fast, because a lot of people decided Q would be a good wagon to end the day on.

Me knowing that I am town .. are they mafia for trying to push on me or just clueless towns that try to solve the game by pushing some pressure on their scumread?

My answer:
I dont think 3 out of 4 mafia would wagon on a single person day 1 to create a countertrain to an already existing train on another town.



Ok enough fun time .. something real for a change :

Assuming we hit 2 mafia on day 1 & 2 .. Q had to be exactly the roleblocker or a miss.

If he was not the roleblocker Newcomb was most likely to be blocked since he claimed blocked n1 (thus claiming blockable in the first place).
Newcomb has to be blocked by mafia in case he is Ino, as which he would get a copcheck n3 (shadowing waco n2 is the obvious play) or a slug (shadow on titus, unlikely but still doable).

This is btw one more crucial reason i want Newcomb here before we end the day.

(Scum can meta that play, but if they didnt we have kinda confirmed information)

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Even if he is one of the other roles that can be blocked, the risk for scum to not block him without a good read on somebody else to block is kinda weird, unless they meta it.
(Thats why i was really suprived by him claming blocked n1 .. he could have told titus in chat, thus not letting scum know that he is blockable. the public play was never good for town)

 

I voted you D1 because in that moment I actually agreed with Mathblade and in regards to your responses to why you used the term myslynch it felt like you were Scum-slipping. After a little while of thought and between New and IIRC Pozzai saying that they felt they would have said the same general things I looked back at what you'd posted in conjunction with Math continuing to foam at the mouth over your supposed slip and realized that it was reaching on Math's part. I unvoted you accordingly.

D3 Kalas was making good points against you and I wasn't as sure of Qg at that point. Not long after I specifically asked that the players on toward DayEnd make up a decision to lynch or let it go to TMNT and have him choose from what was available in-thread, and between Qg's own Scummy behavior and the gathering votes on him I defaulted to my original D3 opening vote for Qg.

Sorry, but you 'knowing that you are town' is not a valid answer to anything in a no-flip game. Prove it with your actions, answers and responses, and actively hunting for the Scum.

 

Von, I need you to do something for me. Find a single post day1 that inclines Banks ever remotely considering vaccinating me.

Day2 he would never vaccinate me, day1 Fonti would never vaccinate me, if person vaccinating were still alive Waco wouldn't have died.

This leads me to conclude I never was vaccinated, but instead intentionally left alive.
If this is true, why am I then left alive? Well, because no matter how poor one might play, a conf!town's word will pull more weight than an unconfirmed.

What I did yesterday was defend you, hence I very much see a world where I am left alive to derail town by defending you.

On reread of the thread, you never jumped my wagon day1, which might look good for you. You do trust Fonti's read in me however, and had her as solid town, I think town!Von would have no problem sheeping Fonti at least to get some more reactions out of me.

You did however express concerns/thoughts as to Fonti reaction testing people by creating a wagon on me, while knowing I was town to catch scum, and while town!Von would not care about this, scum!Von might be a bit more apprehensive in regards to jump it.

I expressed concern about your confidence yesterday, maybe I was correct, and that confidence stems from the person reading you the best missread you and called you town, plus you have teammates to back you up.

I need you to be active today, because I've started to reconsider you big time due to my survival.

 

What do you think of me right now?

You are not going hard on me, after believing yesterdays case pretty quickly.

What did change for you? Did anything change for you?

 

These posts look really useful actually, brb reading them more slowly

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Eh fuck it. Tell you what, someone link me where D2 starts and I'll do the VCA now, I had the next hour saved for checking out Amazon's crap sale day and it looks like I have some spare time

 

I wish you had taken the entirety of my vote when you made that post, you know, the conf!town, whom you voted on, albeit that mainly being a joke vote. Had looked better in your favour tbh.

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You're still one of my favoured lynches. At the time of your reactions to me, I felt better about you, and I still lacked something from Qg and Typhon mainly, thus you moved out of that day's lynch targets(unless some of the others showed up big time.)

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Especially after this comment Jan

 

#1351

Day 1 ends at: This time (~3.2 days left)

17 alive, 9 to lynch

TMNTurtwig (7): Titus (#107), Newcomb (#112), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)

Jan (3): MathBlade (#1048), Kalas (#1060), Zenzao (#1108)

Titus (2): The Waco Kid (#280), TMNTurtwig (#692)

Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683)

Abstaining: Rubicon, Qgqqqqq, Banks


#1884

Day 1 ends at: This time (~2.1 days left)

17 alive, 9 to lynch

TMNTurtwig (6): Titus (#107), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)

Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683)

Jan (1): MathBlade (#1048)

Rubicon (1): Banks (#1504)

MathBlade (1): Newcomb (#1678)

Abstaining: Rubicon, Qgqqqqq, Kalas, TMNTurtwig, The Waco Kid, Zenzao


Votes that happen after that :

Rubicon votes on Pozzai #1885
Newcomb unvotes on Mathblade #1934
Mathblade unvotes on me #1952

#2054 TMNT claims Danzo.

Votecount at that point :

TMNTurtwig (6): Titus (#107), Citrus (#645), Snowvon (#794), Pozzai (#883), Jan (#1106), Typhon (#1181)

Pozzai (2): fontisian (#298), Atum (#683) Rubicon (#1885)

Rubicon (1): Banks (#1504)


Abstaining:Qgqqqqq, Kalas, TMNTurtwig, The Waco Kid, Zenzao, Newcomb, Mathblade

Note 1: #1000 - #1200 : Jan looks good due to Mathblade?
Note 2: Looks worse for Q since he's abstaining?
Note 3: Minor unaligned Kalas/Zenzao
Note 4: Snowvon's position on the wagon looks the worst
Note 5: Atum and Rubicon look slightly unaligned due to wagon on Pozzai?

Brb diving into #1000

 

#2152
#2154
There you go Citrus

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Guess you can't edit the quotes like that.....

 

Feels very unaligned for Mathblade/Kalas

Increases my feeling of unaligned Jan/Mathblade

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1. Snowvon
5. Zenzao
7. Atum
13. Typhon

Ok. I'm currently leaning town on Jan and Kalas.

I also /think/ Snowvon is town? But he's close to null.

I ?think? Atum is townish?

This leads me to the conclusion Q was not town and Zenzao/Typhon are the remaining non-town.

Can someone also link me to the wall posts Typhon made where everyone flipped their reads on him?

Thanks Pozzai, diving into D2 now

 

Citrus
Why am I alive?

 

Working on D2 votals, that world doesn't really work. Typhon pushed pretty hard on Q D2

 

Fonti: #298
Citrus: #413
Mathblade: #651
Atum: #683
Jan: #971
Rubicon: #1885

Banks had an early pingout vote on me, and Von put a vote on me AFTER Fonti died.

 

Because you were vaccinated. That's the only optimal explanation.

It's really bad to leave a conf!town alive, especially with knocking out Waco via poison further confirming you. Kabuto gets one more shot at using poison AND he has to decide on that day ahead of time by a night. It's incredibly stupid to leave an extra town alive.

That's my interpretation anyways

 

a. not talking to you pozzai.
talking to Z. It was a direct response to him and i was sure it was obvious in the context of what i wrote.

b. i searched for fluffs votes pre endofday/nolynch. those are the two latest, then i counted the votechanges till the moment TMNT claimed.
That is what made sense for me. If you want all the votes and their changes from post 1 till EoD .. have fun doing it urself or get the fuck of my back.

I dont give a single fuck about what looks in my favour. I rarely do.



Why is Pozzai alive?
A. His read on von being town is backwards, thus keeping him alive might help von staying alive.
B. His read on von being town is completly right, thus keeping him alive might make him paranoid leaning to a Von misslynch.
C. Pozzai is immune to poison?!
D. Some infuencial scum is believed to be town, and feels he is able to use Pozzai like a puppet.

You could have immunity to poison IF sakura messed up n2, thinking the cop would die for sure. Giving you immunity instead .. a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush .. would be the saying that fits here.
That would have been a missplay by sakura, not impossible, just unlikely.




*Sniff* I just decided to delete half of the post that was only about insulting Pozzai for being nothing but a lapdog. :/

 

So who vaccinated me? Fonti, who had me as her top scum all day1?

Banks, who only slightly townread me day1, and who then did not vaccinate the cop, despite me speaking to him about how my case on him was bulldung, only made to try and have people focus elsewhere than the cop?

Banks DID NOT vaccinate me day2, NEVER, I know him, he's smarter than that(please don't tell him I said that)
Fonti vaccinating me? That's a joke imo.
Anyone else than those two Sakura, and didn't vaccinate the cop? Then I'd be seriously disappointed cause I majorly fucked up day two in my joy of catching a scum.

I do not believe I was ever vaccinated, that is my problem, because none of the people being able to would do it.