That post didn't look great on D1. That post is why the NK doesn't make sense. I was scum reading Citrus after he posted that. So did fonti for that matter. Left alive we would have tunneled the shit out of each other, ensuring a Lynch of one of us D3.

Killing him makes sense in a 'they thought he was Priest' world but not much besides that.

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I really, realllllly hope the Priest checked you.

 

My last will and testament:font
Fluff
Snowvon
Newcomb
Waco
Moridin
Tempus Fugit
Menace
Lungs
Luckylee
Cobalt
Kalas

Atum


Lynch from the bottom up.

 

Unless you know something we don't fonti there is a 0% chance of you dying tonight.

 

I probably won't be angel saved, so I think it's a fair possibility.

 

We'll see what happens if you're alive tomorrow. I disagree with how high you have Tempus and Menace, especially where you're not willing to defend him.

 

Really? You think they're high up? You also apparently think I was "pressured" into giving reasoning on Atum. Can you back that up? I'm guessing you can't. The same way you can't back up your suspicions of Tempus and Menace. Or how you can't justify going after the people who led the Atum wagon.

I might be living through toMorrow, Kalas, but you won't be.

 

Cause neither of these things were posted before you presented a case. Oh wait.

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And yes I do think they're high up. At best they're at the same content level as Lungs and if we're going by how they said things Lungs has done better then Menace debatably but definitely Tempus.

Where exactly am I 'going after'? The people that led the Atum wagon?

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It may have been a rough D1 for me fonti but I promise you I'm not dying toMorrow.

 

The first one was a polite request. The second one was posted ~3 minutes before I posted my case and I hadn't even seen it.

Menace is in the bottom half of my reads and Tempus is barely in the upper half. With role claims to be expected in the future, that's very much a lynchable level.

You have expressed suspicion of me, Newcomb and Menace. You claimed to be suspicious of Citrus yesterDay, which is lunacy, and tried to say that my read backed you up (hint: I didn't vote Citrus because I suspected him). You've also pushed on Cobalt, Tempus, Moridin and even Fluff. In fact, the only people you /haven't/ tried to throw scum on toDay are Von and Lungs. In addition, your reads in different worlds paid no attention to the wagon and seemed random at best.

Please. Show more false bravado.

 

So you're saying I should townread you because Citrus called you outed Mafia and then he died in the night?

That reasoning assumes you're both town. If you're mafia, it's a very good reason to NK him, given the fact that if the thread was forced to choose between Citrus and you, it always would have been you.

Sometimes it's just Level 1, Kalas. It's certainly the most simple play. I absolutely believe scum would NK people who were scumreading them and just handwave it as WIFOM the next day. Two birds with one stone, if people believe it. It also dovetails nicely with the fact that dead people don't have a thread presence, and thus, their opinions gradually have less and less "weight." We certainly ran into that with Hannibal Mafia, heh.

And I'm not asking you to be /sorry/ about Citrus, I'm asking where you went wrong. Specifically. I think it speaks to your mindset. If you can provide a clear and compelling analysis for how you misconstrued Citrus's posts, and the progression makes sense, then it speaks to town!Kalas. If you can't... well, then it's the other thing.

 

A polite request from you're double vote, bit different. I'll admit I hadn't paid attention to the timestamps there.

I had issues with you coloring them a town lean. I'm not nearly convinced of that.

Did you even read my post? You in some bizarre tinfoil hat worlds. Newcomb as worth looking at based on posts made by Atum and Cobalt. Menace because he is NOT mentioned at all by either. Lunacy in 20/20 hindsight fonti, easy call to make Day 2. Hint: You're vote read like you did. Cobalt is right after me on your list, Tempus has, for the last time, done nothing deserving a town read, Moridin was in a worst case scenario and fluff was in a goddamn TOWN ATUM WORLD. Is fluff town in your town Atum world fonti?

Which wagon would that be? The piledrive Atum, no hammer wagon?

Not false. Not even bravado. Feel free to not read this either.

 

K, so Cobalt still has yet to post a single thing of worth that didn't involve a technical error in some way, shape, or form. The fact that every other post I've seen looking back through his history ends with "Seriously stop suspecting me I swear I'm town" and/or "Why are you so sure that I'm scum when I said I wasn't?" isn't helping matters. Also, he has yet to actually answer Moridin's request for scum reads based around a scum!Atum world, and his reluctance to do so because of Atum's low post count looks painfully transparent.

For now I'm assuming worst case scenario: Citrus and Jan were town, because scum volunteering to get Judge'd when they know their scummate's gambit is going to be found out the following day is... yeah, you guessed it. Clownshoes. And NK-ing another scummate N1 because ??? is even more so. Which means Kalas looks even worse to me than he did yesterday and my gut feeling that Fluff wasn't scum has been confirmed (get fukt Von). Now, what kind of world does that leave us with?

Menace
Fluff
Citrus
Jan
Snowvon
Newcomb
Moridin
Waco
fontisian
Tempus Fugit
Lungs
Luckylee
Kalas
Cobalt
Atum

It pains me to say so, but I don't get the feeling that Lungs is scum. That's honestly just how he talks. At any rate his frustration with his role seemed genuine (though I still say his "lurking = low power town role" theory is fucking ridiculous- case in point, Atum).

I can see a Cobalt/Atum/Kalas/??? world, but that fourth witch is the key. The way most games seem to go, there's always at least one super active member of the scum team that everyone thinks is town, and none of those three are it. Looking at my wall, it's most likely someone in the null block- either Waco or fontisian. Failing that... Hnnn. I guess it's possible the entire team is bad and it's one of Lungs or Lucky? I'll go back and do a full analysis on the first two later.

 

No but you also shouldn't take it at face value.

This game aside that isn't a play I would make. Priest hunting would be much more important.

It's at least Level 2. Citrus was Town, but that doesn't make him right. What I want most from mafia is for it to be entertaining New. I enjoy arguing, I enjoy flashy plays even if they might lose me the game. Killing Citrus to shut him up would be.. boring.

I can type out a detailed thought process tomorrow but it essentially went.

>Grr Citrus poked me
>Why did he poke me over other candidates?
>Why is Citrus acting weird wrt fonti?
>Why are other players acting weird wrt Citrus?
>Why is no one calling this out?

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Menace humor me for a little bit, if the Citrus NK was exactly so I'd look worse to.. everyone where does that leave you?

 

K. Bolded part is what I'm most interested in you explaining.

 

Tempus! Thoughts? Reactions? QT posts to copy paste?

 

I don't want to vote so hastily since I want to bounce a few ideas, so the way I see this:

Cobalt: Had he claimed Jan was a witch after what happened EOD I wouldn't have believed him, thus he could be claiming what we all want or expect to hear, second if he is a witch he could be claiming the role of one of his partners for Jan. This can only happen if he left a great deal up to chance.


Atum: The way he claimed holy was most suspicious and we all agree on that. If he truly is holy and was willing to claim I guess it can only be Acolyte since if he claimed priest he would have ended dead via nightkill.

So 2 scenarios: Both people who died are town and we select poorly today (eg: Atum is truly Holy) and end up 4 witches - 7 Townies. Cobalt is still alive and tells us we killed a witch to confuse us.
Or we believe Atum, kill Cobalt who is Town! GD and a witch apprentice ends up with the role.

I'd rather take my chances with Atum rather than Cobalt.

 

Tempus the biggest, some fonti, then everyone that saw Citrus doublevoting on someone he wasn't even trying to read and shrugged their shoulders. In more detail tomorrow if you want it.

 

If you're town then it's either a team with two strong players (in which case fuck me one of my town reads is wrong) or one of Lucky/Lungs is definitely scum. Leaning towards the former rather than the latter, although if I saw Lucky's reaction to actual pressure that might change things. That's assuming you're town though, which I'm pretty sure isn't the case. NK-ing Citrus would make you look bad, true, but you said it yourself:

And I wonder who Priest!Citrus' first check would have been.

 

And by chances I mean voting him and being wrong since that is highly unlikely.

 

I'm sorry, what? Are you saying those are the two scenarios you most believe in right now, or are you just getting your paranoia on? Because I don't see why you'd rule out a w/w!Atum/Cobalt world entirely, and furthermore I don't see why theyou would believe Atum over Cobalt unless you have a very strong scum read on Fluff. Cobalt's behavior has been all kinds of scummy, but he hasn't been actively counterclaimed like Atum has.

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Ah, that's what you meant. Alright. Elaborate on that for me, though: Do you not think a scum/scum!Atum/Cobalt world is possible? And if so why not?

 

I honestly think it would have been Fonti Menace, but it wouldn't matter either way cause he's still the Priest in that scenario.