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Is the HP world repressed?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ron, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. Ron

    Ron Sent Back to India

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    We never get to see kids shagging, magical drugs, potion abuse, serious house rivalry I mean kids trying to curse each other with deadly curses, illegal dark arts learning students, sexual abuse, Prefects abusing their powers, pregnancy, quidditch hooliganism. Hogwarts seems so tame to real life.
     
  2. Skeletaure

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    The obvious out-of-universe explanation is that it's written as a children's/YA series so most of that stuff is never mentioned. I think it's reasonable to extrapolate on the basis of "teens will be teens" that it occurs, though obviously with magical variations. What's the point of magical drugs if Cheering Charms are acceptable to use and have no negative side-effects?
     
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  3. Ron

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    But Rowling never even hints at it. Maybe her world is different from the muggle world. I mean we don't even see a wild party when they win the quidditch cup or house cup.
     
  4. Skeletaure

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    I think there are plenty of subtle hints. Harry reminiscing fondly about "long afternoons around the lake" with Ginny, the DH kiss in Ginny's bedroom that was hinted to be about to lead to something more, etc.

    It's just they're very subtle.
     
  5. Goten Askil

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    Taure took care of the out-of-universe reasons, so I'll try for in-universe:
    - Books are from Harry's POV, so anything he doesn't notice can't be shown to us. Basically, probably people shag, but Harry is not looking at them when they do. And it's assuming all he and Ginny did was holding hands in HBP.
    - Felix Felicis is the closest we get from a magical drug (with the negative and addictive effects), but we can assume things like Strengthening Solution are used as drugs (especially in Quidditch).
    - Sectumsempra is pretty deadly, I think, and it was in answer to a Unforgivable. The fact it doesn't happen every day could be likened to the way every RL highschooler doesn't try to dayly murder someone.
    - We have quite a few students learning Dark arts. DA could even fall under this category since they learnt a few curses IIRC.
    - I don't know if you consider love potions as sexual abuse, but we clearly have those.
    - As to Quidditch hooliganism, it's clearly stated that every Gryffindor/Slytherin match was preceded by students from both houses sent to hospital wing. And pro Quidditch isn't exempted (don't people usually disappear during Holyhead/Peddlemere?).

    Sure, we don't see much of all of it, but in the world I live in, we don't see those every day either.
     
  6. Ron

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    What about bullying, wild out of control parties, run ins with Aurors, going out of school for adventure, gambling, prostitiution? As for Harry why he is so tame, he came from the muggle world where these things are common.
     
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    Ron, I'll give you the same advice I gave to someone else a while ago: make one thread in General Discussion, label it RON'S ALL-PURPOSE MEGATHREAD and post there every time you think you should make a new thread.

    At first glance there's some substance here, until you recall that the first three books were written for children. HP started becoming more YA literature with GoF. It's pretty self-explanatory. Pointless thread is pointless.
     
  8. Ched

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    None of those things are in the books because the books are mainstream children's books. PS, CoS, and PoA are aimed at an MG audience, middle grade, probably around the 9-12 demographic. GoF, OotP, HBP, and DH moved into a more YA range, more like 12-18, but they were still mainstream.

    Drugs, sex, prostitution, sexual abuse, pregnancy, and the like can be included in YA, but not MG. But if you start adding that stuff to YA then you start moving a bit out of mainstream literature, and JKR would have lost something in the (extremely popular) franchise she was building.

    Want to read that sort of 'gritty' stuff by JKR? Go take a gander at The Casual Vacancy.

    TL;DR? That stuff isn't included because of the target demographic.

    That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Some things, like pregnancy, might be easier to prevent in the WW than the muggle one. Bullying happened (hell, Harry was bullied). I wouldn't be surprised if Seamus or Fred and George had a run-in with the Auror's office. The sort of 'serious house rivalry' you mention is flat-out stupid, so there's no point in including that. Prefects abusing their powers, sex among students, and experimenting with illegal spells are all things that can be assumed to be happening behind the scenes.

    Do you honestly not see how any of this could be viable as an explanation?
     
  9. AmerigoCorleone

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    Novels rarely ever focus on anything that doesn't add to the plot.

    And even though the story is told from the POV of Harry -- that's only concerning the plot.

    I mean, I've never known a virgin with the balls to just kiss a girl, out of nowhere, in public. So maybe Harry had sexual experiences we never read about, maybe he didn't. Who cares?

    The Harry Potter series is not a biography, it's a children series that gives a few hints about the characters for readers to interpret, but that's it.

    I mean, the series never says that Snape murdered, but it can be assumed that he did, since he was a spy and needed to keep his cover.

    The series never says that Lily Potter was beautiful, but it can be inferred through the rivalry between James and Snape.

    The series never says that Harry Potter is a bully, but it can be inferred through his actions in 6th year when he began terrorizing the school with random spells.

    The series does not say many things, but if you use your brain for even a little, there are many things to be seen.
     
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    Where the hell do you live that going out of school for gambling and prostitiution is common?
     
  11. AmerigoCorleone

    AmerigoCorleone Seventh Year

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    Shit where I grew up, I knew girls who prostituted themselves for noodles.
     
  12. ihateseatbelts

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    All these reddit thread duplicates...

    Like everyone has mentioned already, it's the target demographic. Funny you should mention Quidditch, though, because it's a pretty brutal game by and by. Gwenog Jones got into a fight with someone after becoming a coach. As for sleaze, a couple of wizards were hitting on the Veela at the World Cup.

    Also: Mollywobbles.

    EDIT: Gambling? Bagman literally does this with Fred, George and goblins. It's also implied to get pretty damn nasty. Someone caught a body, at least.
     
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    Where the fuck did you grow up, Detroit?
     
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    The books focus on Harry James Potter, and his struggle against the Dark, and the society that allows that darkness to grow. If I wanted to read a story about pregnancy, drugs, abortion, and deviant sex, I'd go and read Trainspotting.

    You've also just reminded me of a daft little girl I remember hearing on the radio, probably about a decade or so ago, who called in to let the public know that even if she was to be invited to Hogwarts, she would never go. Because there is never any discussion on whether the students shower, brush their teeth, or use the bathroom properly.
    In her own words "it would be very smelly and dirty and I wouldn't like that".
    And I'm sure I've posted about her before.
     
  15. AmerigoCorleone

    AmerigoCorleone Seventh Year

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    Exactly!

    I read Harry Potter for the magic and moral dilemma, not to read about him wiping his ass, shaving his pubes, or where he sticks his dick in.
     
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