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WitchHunt #5

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by KaiDASH, Sep 19, 2015.

  1. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    In case you happen to be town, this is why you're going to get lynched down the line.
     
  2. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    hi, you're awake

    talk to me about Newcomb please

    this is the last time i will ask nicely
     
  3. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    Like, you can't honestly be reading this stuff and believe that Von is town.

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    You are outed scum. I will do nothing for you and all your attacks do is make it more impossible for your team to mislynch me.

    You are trying to cast doubt on my switch off of Newcomb, ignoring that I proposed the plan to check Newcomb in the first place and changed my mind after Menace's claim, with a number of posts outlining the reasoning and requesting others thoughts. Stop wasting both of our time and get your homework done.

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    Also this.

    You are scum Proph. You cannot be reading this bullshit and think Von is town. There's no way.

    The scumteam is you and Von, mostly likely with Tempus. You have toDay to convince me not to do everything in my power to kill you.
     
  4. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    I am trying to do something productive with the hours I have left alive, please switch off your Condescension Mode and be helpful.

    Why did you change your mind? Point me to the posts, since you're not going to do anything else toDay.
     
  5. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    Oh, and the reason that Tempus is scum, for those of you who haven't gotten it, is that the Angels only protect from one kill. Von's team could have also shot Lucky and used an illusion kill on a townie, ensuring that the kills on Lucky and Tempus and ensured that Von was still townread, but chose not to. I don't see why they wouldn't, unless Tempus is a witch.

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    The posts extend from 930 to 972. You have already quoted one of them, so please stop pretending you missed them.

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    I am going to sleep. If any of Newcomb, Waco, Moridin, Menace and Lucky don't see how this game is solved, feel free to ask me about it. Proph and Tempus are encouraged to defend themselves and provide alternative worlds. I will be listening. Good night.
     
  6. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    'My team' couldn't have shot Lucky because he'd still be Angel protected? So. Lucky would only die if Waco is also scum and doublestacked on Lucky.
     
  7. fontisian

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    Yes. Waco would have only shot Lucky if he was scum. This is a fact.
     
  8. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    And you're saying 'my team' took a course of action that outed not one, but two Witches with a third one already dead? Or am I misunderstanding you?
     
  9. fontisian

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    Fuck it, I'll end with this.

    Tempus is also trying to push the town!Von worlds. I believe this even less than I believe Proph, as Tempus has no meta on which to believe Von is town (and Von has gotten much at playing scum lately, so I can somewhat understand where Proph is coming from, even if the post count analysis is clearly flawed).

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    Your team chose to use a kill on a townfirm instead of using one Lucky the useless and killing one of your team in the process.

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    Fuck, actually, Proph wouldn't know.

    Days 1 and 2 of Narutomafia consistent of a fight between Mathblade and Titus and a disgusting amount of spam that caused both of us to check out for periods of the game. I actually went with reading 30 pages for the first Day. Von's post count only became noticeably lower as he detached in later Days, which mirrores his activity yesterDay.

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    Yeah. Proph, you're going to have to convince me that's there's scum between Moridin and Menace, because right now I can't see how the game wouldn't end with lynching you and Tempus next.
     
  10. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    The only way scum!Waco or scum!Lucky could survive a kill outside of Angel protection is if Koalas was a Witch, so. In those worlds, two Witches are dead, which is fine.

    The Illusion Kill is eating at my brain, because it can only have been used on one of Waco/Lucky, and I have no idea which. And in terms of making sense, I think Lucky getting Illusion'd >>> Angels protecting him (unless they were going for scumfirming Newcomb in a roundabout and very shitty fashion).

    Waco getting Illusion'd means the Hunter kill on Lucky was real and that townfirms Lucky because Angels, and Lucky getting Illusion'd means the kill on Waco was real and he's the townfirmed Hunter because Angels and actually Lucky would also be townfirmed because Angels??? So Lucky is always town. All of this line of thinking is fucked if Kalas was a Witch and fakeclaiming, whee, but again, two Witches would be dead and Lucky always dies in final # so that's whatever.

    Also, according to the rules, Jan got all the Night 1 actions in the Angel QT as opposed to in the shared Dead QT, which means Atum wouldn't know anything until the end of Night 2 (if the dead are only made up of one group, then only that group gets the Night information until one person on each team is dead). Just, like, in case that ever becomes relevant.

    Going back to Lucky being Illusion'd because I think it's more likely (also I'm reposting this paragraph from my wall a while back): this means Waco actually got shot, and Waco is claiming Hunter, which means Angels had to have protected Waco as there are no other roles in this game that could give him an extra life [besides Fanatic and Nurse, but Nurse is public and I am the Fanatic]. But it couldn't have been the Illusion Kill, because if Waco is town, then he definitely shot Lucky, which means the Angels definitely saved him, which is ??? from my POV. > Angels were involved, Luckylee is the only living townfirm then?

    Are Waco and Lucky both town???

    ===

    Like, fontisian, I don't get why you're playing this game the way you are when Witches have a weapon specifically to fuck up plans like these. There is literally an Illusion Kill in this game, designed to make someone look like they were Angel protected, and you need to actually use your brain instead of trying to cruise through the Day. Especially when I know you know I could not play like this as scum, not after the way you mislynched me in that JTM game.
     
  11. fontisian

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    Please. I designed the plan with the illusion kill in mind, on the assumption that after I dropped my ability, I would always be alive to deconstruct it toDay.
     
  12. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    In a very recent game offsite, fontisian lynched me Day 1 because she claimed that my scum meta and apathetic!town meta are incredibly similar, which is kinda true.

    But my behavior this game has been anything but. In fact, it has screamed my town meta to the heavens and I don't comprehend how she could possibly think otherwise. In WH4, fontisian was town and gave her townreads and she was confident in them and she even said these exact words:

    I like this fontisian better. Cold, condescending, robot fontisian is witchy and sad.
     
  13. Striker

    Striker What's up demons?

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    I wasn't lying about my Oracle check on Newcomb. Aside from that, I'll post when I get out of class later today. Far too early in the morning for this.
     
  14. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    That's not the point.

    You aren't thinking about it. You were presented with very shallow evidence of me being scum and you're taking it at face value.

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    I expect more from an All Star. ;)

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    Like. Damning Angel save or no, I'm going to fucking townfirm myself by virtue of my behavior and my mindset and my efforts to work out what happened and I am going to do my damnedest to make anyone who votes me toDay look like absolute trash whenever my alignment is revealed, be it through Tempus (if he's town) or KaiDASH post-game.
     
  15. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    Attempting to guilt me won't work either.

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    :/

    No one thought you were lying? Why would you say that?
     
  16. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    my name is fontisian and i'm too cool to do anything

    ugh

    i need to do work and sleep

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    also please respond to the actual points and stop being coy

    or

    y'know

    don't post at all

    i said not to engage with me if you weren't going to take it seriously
     
  17. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    Holy shit.

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    It amazing me that your teammates actually think they can save you. You say I'm not thinking. This is wrong, because nothing you say makes any sense. You are constantly contradicting yourself, you have no plausible alternate explanation, you are grasping at every little straw in a desperate bid to save yourself, and you approached the Day start with a clear guilty mindset ("Wait, I can explain." As town, you would know that you couldn't.) My towns that I will never lynch this game are Lucky, Waco, Newcomb, Menace and Moridin in that order. This is why you should shoot me earlier.

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    Also, I should be just about confirmed town at this point for outing both Von and Atum. Now I am actually going to sleep.
     
  18. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    I lied, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

    As town, I would know that something is fucked up and I should try to work it out because what are my other options? Dying quietly? I don't think so.

    I am laying out any and all possibilities I can think of so I have something tangible to sort through. This is one of the reasons I hate video mafia. It's too much too quickly. I don't have time to sit and think and write things out and maybe even draw pictures or color code things.

    You failed to answer whether or not I behaviorally check out as scum. My mindset? My motivations? Any agendas you see? Can you even read me, fontisian? Or do you need to rely on a rigged plan to have any sort of opinion on me?

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    Like you have been strongly townreading me for most of the game and you're willing to throw all of that away without a second thought because of a plan that wasn't even foolproof.

    This isn't even a guilt trip. I am legitimately wondering why you don't think something is up, and I'm asking you specifically because you should know better and there isn't anyone else I can ask to vouch for me like you can if you're town.

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    Also, I suppose I should go ahead and ask:

    Am I wasting my time here? I know town is going to be super iffy about not lynching a potential red-check, so even in worlds where I am town and something went wrong, I don't see myself living beyond toDay.

    I ask because this weekend is going to be busy for me, and we're potentially going to lose power due to a passing hurricane, so like. If there isn't anything I can say to change anyone's mind, then I'll probably just. Check out and do other things I want to do and wait to die. I don't want to give up on my team, especially when three Witches could still be out there, but. I really don't know what to do with this mess.
     
  19. fontisian

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    I devised the plan /because/ I townread you, wanted to be sure, and wanted something concrete backing you up down the line because you have a tendency to allow yourself to be lynched sometimes. You've done well and you've fooled me for a while, but there is no way for you to be town.

    Possibility one: The shot on Lucky was an illusion kill.
    Problem: There is no reason for a town!Waco to not shoot, and there's no way for Waco to not be town unless the illusion kill was already used on him or he's the actual survivor. Waco being the scum survivor would require both a scum Kalas and a scum Tempus, and them predicting that Newcomb would out and we would trust him to derail Kalas' plan of him being lynched once, which is insane.

    Possibility 2: The angels weren't aware of the plan.
    Problem: This isn't possible, as it was extremely clearly and I can see Citrus still following the thread.

    Possibility 3: The angels knew the plan and decided to save Lucky anyway.
    Problem: This would require Lucky, you and Tempus to be town, but doesn't make any sense, because we are now obligated to lynch you and we lose both the hunter and DOB kills that could have thinned out the game.

    You are a witch.
     
  20. Vaimes

    Vaimes Fifth Year

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    Ha, you aren't sleeping either.
     
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