I think we have three scum, but now I'm actually counting and we would have 13 towns. I have no idea if that's normal, or not.

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Dammit, trying to quote and ends up wrong. -bangs head-

 

3 scum is too less for a game of this size.(methinks)
If there is only 1 group of scum probably 5 scum would be there in total and 11 townies. 2 groups of scum means 3 and 3 in each group.
Again, this is just my impression from seeing the setup and I could be wrong.

Demonturtle seems like a town to me since scums would know how many of them are there. Else, she's a scum and is just using this as way to escape scum reads. Or she's a scum and is suspecting that another group of Mafia are there.

Damn, trying to analyse things is hard.

 

Both of these reasons are a bit off. I disagree with Snowvan saying that Tempus' quote is allignment indicative, since its more fluff than anything. OTOH Citrus calling it organic and claiming the other quotes had an agenda isn't right either. Demonturtles posts at the point were fluff, whereas TMNTurtwig and I were just answering questions.

I like this idea.

Right now my top town are:
Blorcyn
LJ

With top scum being:
Snowvan
Citrus

I'm a bit hesitant to stick by my scum reads at this point, but this is where my head is at right now.

demonturtle and TMNTurtwig Do you have any reads? What do you think of fonti and Citrus' conversation?

One last question, what does Garcia mean in mafia terms?

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Going back to my first point I wanted to add that I like Snowvan's reasoning a bit better.

 

A Garcia is where someone answers a question that was address to someone else before they could answer

I would agree that demon turtle sounds like he's probably town. Unless the scum team is super stacked with day kills and stuff or something

I believe standard setup for 16 players is usually 11 town, 4 scum, and a neutral, also Eidolonic did review it

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It's not that the other quotes had an agenda, but more that they focused on the game while tempus's feels like he just got into the game mentally - hence the out-of-game content btdubs

 

Neutral? How would a neutral win the game? If there's one, of course.

 

Ex:

Survivor - Make it to the end of the game without dying. Potentially have special abilities.
Evil something - Be the last living player

Etc.

 

I'd say demonturtle just gave a towntell if I wasn't paranoid of Citrus coaching her.

I do think Von is more towny now.

 

I have exclusive information about this so-called "election" that our friends from the north partake in:

 

My thoughts so far are Blorcyn is Town. He seems sincere about wanting to get his voting right and not string up someone without all the facts. Yeah, he voted for me, but he then talked about waiting for the conversations to evolve so I thought that was a good choice and a good mindset for the game. Citrus and Wei are suspicious to me, only because they both claimed to be the Priest. I don't know if I believe Titus, it could be a trap for newbie towns to make.

 

It was me realizing that Tempus had less posts than the mods; you ninja'd me.

He doesn't anymore, though.

I'm pretty sure you mean 'what do you think of me and fontisian?'

I, uh. Think you both might be town? I'm moderately concerned that you're buddying me, or at least defending me too strongly. But other than that, I liked how you came out of that series of posts with her.

 

I just lost a post because I accidentally hit Ctrl+W instead of Ctrl+T. Fuck everything

What was that extension again to not lose what you've typed?

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Try 2:

Zzz late to the party.

I want to know why you were so wrong on Snow from the beginning.

On the contrary, actually. I wanted your thoughts on Elemental/Evil/Demonturtle, but didn't want you to interrupt the exchange with Demonturtle til she posted hence the "don't answer stuff I've directly asked people"

 

Oh, okay then.

Tomorrow though. Tonight I am descending into hell.

 

Vote Count #3

demonturtle (3): Titus, Plotless, Blorcyn
Citrus (2): fontisian, Jan
fontisian (2): Koalas, Citrus
Titus (1): demonturtle
Snowvon (1): weiyaoli
TMNTurtwig (1): Snowvon
Plotless (1): TMNTurtwig
Jan (1): ljtrigirl

Abstaining: Banks, Elemental, EvilOftenWins, Tempus Fugit

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to Soft Lynch and 13 to Hard Lynch.

Day 1 ends at this time.

 

Citrus' support of Tempus Fugit seems too unusual.
Vote Tempus Fugit

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That points towards Citrus or Tempus Fugit being scum, though it might just have been Citrus town reading Tempus since he voted for fontisian.

 

This is some epic grade fence sitting.

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Kalas, talk to me about your Fonti vote.

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This is paranoid Citrus. All the newbies are town and the vets are scum. Lol. Well minus Von.

 

Well, what can one do? Fence sitting is a decent time waster (as long as it isn't pointy)

 

Ok took some time to try to sort trough my thoughts.

I have been listening to a vengaboys playlist while writing this, so if you you contract any diseases from reading this post, blame the busdriver (Banks) for not cleaning up properly.

As of right now my readwall looks like this :

Blorcyn
Tempus Fugit

weiyaoli
LJ
TMNT

Evil0ftenWins
Fontisian
Titus

Elemental
Koalas
Snowvon

Banks

demonturtle
Plotless
Citrus

I will explain some of my reads now, if you want more details or have questions feel free to ask away :

Tempus Fugit
While his first post was not indicative of a lot in my eyes, his post #164 had some points that i felt similar about.
Mainly the Evil0ftenWins one and to some lesse extend the plotless one (he didnt give a reason for it, but those are the main flaws i see in fontis reads, which make me feel a bit uneasy about her).

TMNTurtwig
I pointed out that i thought his start in the game felt a bit over defensive. It was the start of the game, not having great ccontent there is fine, but he felt like he had to explain himself. #64

His post #124 changed my mind, because he openly admitted to omgus voting, and i think as scum he is more likely to be self conscious about it instead.
The part where he saw someone online and wanted to force them into an interaction also seems to come from a towny mindset (bad play, towny thoughtprocess)

EvilOftenWins

I agree that this looks towny, BUT i see a world where a stronger scum partner helps him out with this for the easy towncred as a new player.
Fonti townreading him that hard for so little basically fueles the flames of that read, because her over the top townread on him (third highest townread, dark green coloured) makes me feel uneasy about the whole situation.

I want to say he is never w/w with von, because if he got coached into the read and von is scum as well, then von would ask not to do that, because he would be way too afraid to be scumread by others day1 for him allowing for his teammate to push on him like that.

Fontisian
I like her play this game for the most part.
The interaction with Citrus reminds me of her tinyhunt play, when she went on Sesc and myself for most of day1.
The two parts that make me not like her enough to read her harder as town are :
1. I have not seen her doing that kind of a readslist that early as either alignment. If she is scum she is trying to pocket some newer players, but she can as well be town trying to help newer players out, as she claims.
It brought some actions into the thread, so that is kind of a plus.

2. While I agree with most of her reads, I disagree with plotless and EvilOftenWins, and she is likely to put a scumpartner higher up in her list to protect them. (Talking about my read on both of them in their own part)

I disagree with this statement, because Citrus never really scumread Blorcyn, he asked a question #87 to him, and made a statement #96 that just reduces a read, it doesnt say i read you scummy.

Plotless

That read in itself is not good, and made me suspicious.
If Demonturtle is scum, then she would be coached at least a little bit by her team, and that would be unlikely to happen.
Diverting attention would be possible, but Plotless never mentions from who or what. demonturtle is unlikely to divert attention from nothing at all, and pushing a misslynch this early into day 1 sound pretty unlikely.
Most votes at this stage are to pressure and figure out the game.

With that being said, i didnt like several other things demonturtle did either, which makes me believe there is a likelyhood of one scum between them Plotless and Demonturtle, but i do not think they are both scum, because two new players reading each other this way is unlikely to ever be w/w.


Ok now something else :
Von anwering LJs question about townreading her :

Lets look at her Wallpost for a second, because that is not something to read LJ town for in my opinion. The post (#100) is mostly fluff until the end, when she asked Von and demonturtle if her votes at that point are real or still rvs-votes.
The part where she openly considers claiming her role is neutral as well, because at that point noone knows what claim she is considering, so this is just a pr soft that can mean anything.

The way she opposed Fontis townread on herself later on was the clearest townread on her, outside of the claim itself.



Citrus
After rereading a bit, I am still unsure about his early von townread, i am still not sold on von, and will wait what the day brings.
There are some things about von i like and some that i don't like.
I stated one of the don't likes above.

His other read that i really dislike is the banks one.
At the start he just put banks in his townreads without mentioning him, and when asked to explain the read itself, it is just really weak.
Banks is a veteran and good enough to play that either way. Those are 3 rvs-votes, that means nothing to banks.
Banks play overall this game is 95% fluff, that he does either way because it is fun.
His reads this game boil down to this(i removed the pictures to make it readable, i did love the hedgehog, just sayin) :

His reaction to Plotless post towards Citrus :

And this :

I get from this that he has a paranoia townread on fonti, but is still not completly sold and that he either agrees with plotless that banks, can react to the votes this way as either alignment, or that he (banks) agrees mostly with citrus content, outside of citrus banks read (depending on how he reads plotless post).

So Banks likes fonti a bit and maybe citrus as well.

I do not get a banks townread for this, because it is a big cute ball of nothing. You can still be my driver for a while.


Ok .. I need to sleep at one point I think .. It is getting late .. close to 2pm and i did not really sleep enough tonight, naptime.

 

To be honest, I'm playing this game off the seat of my pants and have no real idea of where I'm going. I suppose diverting attention might be better if there was anything to divert, but I said that without really processing that we were like a tenth of the way through the day. I'll try make more sense in the future.

Right now, my top 3 town reads (in order) are Blorcyn, Von and Jan.

Not too ready to trust Banks/demon/TMNT/Citrus

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Following up on my lack of experience, are there any good resources on mafia outside of mafiascum wiki?

 

I'm at work, deep read and notes this evening. Quickly, what's w/w, googled didn't help.

 

My brain misinterpreted Tempus' posts as someone else's(except for the first one, oddly). I voted to make him post more. Or so I thought

Unvote

Damn, I suck at fence sitting.