/angry noises/

 

idk what you're angry at me for. If you think Proph is mafia you should have just Vig'd him last night.

 

Storm getting shot with Snowvon as scum makes no sense. Like he wasn't getting much done and with Snowvon whispering sweet nothings into his ears that makes it even worse potentially? And then Snowvon wasn't prepared for this at all.

To be sure, Snowvon gained from this but it read as very offhand rather than something he put a lot of thought or preparation into.

So Storm getting shot because someone had a power role read on him / dodging protection is most plausible.

vote prophylaxis

In fontisian I trust.

also his vote on me was awful.

 

I've had a headache all day. I want to hear from everybody before I try and make sense of what's going on. I'll be around.

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holy shit did I scare everybody away from the thread? I may or may not be the seer with a red check, don't be afraid

 

Eh, I'm kinda waiting for things to happen.

Like Koalas to do literally anything.

 

Its Christmas and I work Newcomb. I'm also thinking.

 

Fair enough. I'm just impatient :/

Giv reads ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

 

Going through my previous list, figuring out what needs to be adjusted. I don't think it's that much but, again, it needs thought.

 

What if it is just Jan/Proph/Rubicion?

 

Day start has been updated. Please note that the storm should have been flipped town neighbor T, per the wording in his role pm, as opposed to mason, which I incorrectly typed on my phone. This has been corrected in the day start post.

 

Yeah I think Von is just clear? Like yeah unconfirmed alignments but shooting Storm over, um, really anyone makes so little sense as anything other than a PR read. I mean yeah "ooh maybe that's why Snow's team shot him!" Wine wine wine. Buuuuuht no. I don't buy that.

 

Yeah pretty much.

I still want to grab him by the shoulders and just /shake/ because reasons, but he's unlikely to be scum here.

I feel we have a sleeper scum here - Jan + Proph + Rubicon is too easy? If that makes sense.

 

Agreed, I think. Like that's literally the team I thought it was mid D1. And I'd love it if it were true, but I'm not that good.

I keep coming back to Delphine. I don't like the fact that her RVS vote led the Proph wagon the entire day, and I don't like the fact that she kind of ducked out of responsibility for it. Kind of .... Vague arm flapping gut things.

 

Holy fuck. Tried to sleep for 5 hours, did not work that well. First a hanful of remarks towards a few people in this game.

Why does the day end on a time where it never ended before. Like .. I didnt even check when EoD would be because i assumed it would be either 2 or 3 am my time, and then it is 3 hours earlier, and noone fuckig mentions it ever beforehand. Fucking stupid bullshit.

Next step that wagon movement. I am highlighly confused about it, for reasons.

The first thing i thought is that play, again, is so town!von. Some people are warming up to him being town because of the claim (as scum he just would claim mason and be done with it, the dirty modgaming there by openly asking the mod stuff in thread, odd but unlikely to be his scumplay
But that is not even why von is fucking town.
I mentioned hannibalmafia before .. look at that game (in this subforum) .. look at von in that game.
Not only the nightchat, which is a towntell, search for the day 2 lynch. Compare it to this game.
That is just town!von being clueless about what he is doing.

I said yesterday, that people that know him and not even recognize the nightchat towntell, looks really odd to me.
Now there is another meta reason, for him to be read town. Snowvon does not act like that as scum. People might try to push the von/proph scumworld, but in that world von voting back to proph makes 0 sense (i dont buy that he saw citrus post and waited for changing his vote on purpose).

Moving on .. Rubicon :
That one is weird, because Rubicon didnt want to lynch me at that point, and then moved his vote in the last minute at the same time as the other people were moving to vote proph again.
If he was on his phone, then his vote makes sense i guess, on his pc he should realize the movement happening in time. If he was on his pc he might be scum with proh, trying to force the no-lynch while looking good. (but why wait that long? in that world he can vote me earlier to be sure i die, unless no lynch was the goal, which is unlikely for scum)

Newcombs hesitation to changing wagons is the most interesting, because he has every reason to change over and try to get the wagon going from the get go.
Resisting the changeover only makes sense in a world with dLGN and/or Fonti, because they could play this act, he resists for a little while, and he looks better for it, while they still control the whole narrative (and they actually do not care who to lynch in the end).

Newcomb is not scum with proph, because then he would actually try way more to get the lynch on me, and noone would think too bad about it, because i scumread him for all of day 1.

Fonti going on me with 1 hour left in the day is the most suspect. I said earlier in the day that the game was slowing down, and her waiting that long to consider a switch is a typical scum move in general. She was pushing for an obvious uninformed lynch to switch up 1 hour before day end, that is scummy in itself, add to that her von read.
Her not even talking about von after i mentioned him, she should have some sort opinion on him, she didnt.
She goes on me and does not even address the few core reads i have given before.

On the other hand she is never scum with proph, because she tried to go back on him in the last minute.

dLGN i am unsure, i liked his early case on delphine. him claiming all those mindmeld moments with fonti .. i think they are pretty much aligned at this point. w/w or v/v, just because either they are town and their mindmeld is real, or they are scum and decided to hard-align this game from the get go. offchance of wolf dlgn faking that several times when fonti came out with something, since i think every time it was fonti pushing something and dlgn tagging along with a "i had the same idea at the same time" comment.

This is where the game becomes hard for me. That movement back and forth without anyone on the wagons actually forcing too much makes me feel that those are more likely to be v/v wagons and proph is town for it.
If he is scum, then his partners would have made sure that he doesnt die, while fonti tried to push the lynch away from him at the start, she jumped back on him close to the end, and actively tried to lynch him.
The only person that was active EoD that might be with Proph is Rubicon, because his votechange saved proph, BUT as prophs parter, why doesnt he just change earlier?

The most likely worlds :
A. Proph is town, and the driving force behind the wagons is town, and mafia is just sitting back looking at town killing between themselves.

B. Proph is town, the scumteam is at least 2 out of Fonti/Newcomb/dLGN and they didn't care about who to lynch day1, and they were just trying to spin a narrative to get back to back lynches on proph and myself.

C. Proph is scum, and he was willing to sacrifice himself because his partners would get towncred by sacrificing himself. (or it was a gambit by him).



The next important part is that i am neighbour J, and I demand i private chat with neighbour K! S/T getting a private chat and J/K not, that is mobbing at its finest, Mod C.


Delphine, Lochness, Koalas and Kai are the people i have not mentioned.
Will look closer at them later when I check the questions and all that later.

In a town!proph world there is likely scum 2 scum in there because of how the wagons changed EoD.

One question that jumped into my face, which is maybe the worst accusation that i saw all EoD, o r maybe just ever :

This is by far the worst accusation ever. Why?

A. i have been pushing on Newcomb all game, and given my reasons for it, you ignoring it does not make it go away.
B. Every vote that was not on proph at the time, was "in batshit nowhere" the difference being, that i explained my vote time and time again. The fact you jump on me and noone else is plain bad (because others didnt actually explain their votes that much)
C. The only "wagon" was proph, if everyone was voting him, the day would have ended early. I said time and time again, that i would have hammered him, but we had stale wagon(s) for 2-3 days. So there are bound to be non wagon votes, because we decided to not end the day early.

If you had actually cared about the game, you would have tried to make a 2nd wagon work earlier on, and not 1 hour before the game ends.
Accusing someone of a vote outside of the main wagon, while not humoring a second wagon yourself all game, is bad useless and scummy as fuck.

And everyone that voted for me because of THAT reason, is either scum or just plain bad. Like it is impossible to read your accusation and be like "yeah, i dig that" as town.

dLGN not even thinking about fontis accusation, but just follow her blindly, why? dLGN, what did you like in fontis accusation i quoted there?!

Give me anything. You can say "yeah she wanted to kill you, and i wanted to kill you" but her reasoning is bad, even if you diasagree with my attack on newcomb, you cannot say it is not there.

Done for now, typing myself in too much of a rage, gonna try to sleep again.
More responses to questions whenever i am back.

 

Jan, I agreed with a fair amount of that actually. Like. You'll notice I was very stubborn about trying to turbo you for basically the reasons you outlined. But that's just Mafia Theory 301. And you'd be quite capable of critiquing that with genuine anger as either alignment.

No, my problem with you is your problem with me.

I don't believe you actually think I'm scum this game. Pretty much everything you've said about me reads as "what can I get away with saying" and not "I actually believe this."

 

The lack of a j/k neighbour chat is a most heinous and cowardly act perpetrated by the moderation of this game.

In other words, it's a joke.

 

So I went to sleep a bit after LochNess posted (as I said, was considering an all nighter but ultimately decided to try to sleep a little); woke up to alarm; promptly fall back asleep; woke back up at precisely the deadline and start screaming at my quicktopic since I didn't even wake up soon enough to apologize, let alone contribute. I'm sorry I wasn't there, but I fully intended to be there and I feel pretty slighted by Newcomb implying otherwise.

Didn't I literally tell you guys the other day that I had been having trouble sleeping partially because I had a feeling of dread that I couldn't shake about a flashwagon ending poorly? Like. Holy fuck. I'm dumbfounded that I sort of called it, and feel weird that despite that I couldn't do anything to prevent it! Even if it didn't end up being on von, who had softed a QT-related role pretty close to D1 start. I would like to ask Rubicon wtf was going through his head at the :59 switch to Jan. I get that it was stressful and confusing but it looks the weirdest to me out of everything that happened last minute. And to confirm with fontisian what exactly was with the von push yesterday. Did you realize (and if so, when?)

von's play surrounding Storm/his role both Today and Yesterday make me feel confident he is town, and I felt he was townish yesterday regardless. Storm would be a really weird nightkill with von-scum for several reasons as well.

Prophylaxis - between fonti's conviction that you are not a martyr as town, your play yesterday (though you finally started to sound like possible town with some of your later posting), and the fact that literally the only time I've seen anyone try to vote themselves for the good of the town at EOD (which is v different from frustration self-votes) was mafia-aligned Sloth in AYAW2 on this site. It is something that should be a towntell because it's probably a pro-town move, but in this context I'm not convinced. Talk to me.

Koalas, please don't continue to snooze. I liked your entrance to the game but got weird vibes from your discussion of who the team would be if Prophy was town and need to hear more about where you're at. Did you reread at all on your night off?

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I missed this. fontisian what basis do you have for thinking that he agrees with you on this?

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Other than the logic you brought up on the previous page I mean.

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What? Why? :? I mean it happened already, but why.

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Er at least, von outting happened?

 

To be clear, Delphine, I'm not accusing you of missing EoD on purpose. That would be pretty low.

I'm saying the fact that you sat on an RVS vote the entire D1 without taking a firm stance on Proph one way or another, that I recall, is what's bothering me.

And I'm not even really saying you're scum. I'm saying something is /weird/ and I'm trying to figure you out. You're... Hm. A lot of your posts are carefree and kind of rambling in a carefree town way. But then when I look at what you /don't/ say, you appear to be more self aware than you let on.

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Like that. That question is /weird/. I mean, come on now. 12 players, 1 dies and flips Mason. You know why the other one should claim. Why are you even asking me that?

 

I'm both carefree and deliberate this game, just in different ways, I think. If there's something that would help you understand me in particular, feel free to ask?

My stance is and has been that Proph is scummy and I don't understand him. He finally said a couple of things at the end of yesterday that seemed kinda town, which is why I started waffling. His actions as a whole still read the worst to me ITT even despite that, and I'm feeling pretty frustrated about how yesterday went down in light of that, because if he's town then I pretty much suck.

p-edit: No, I don't know why, that's why I am asking. That's not typical in the meta I was raised in.

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If you have a good reason not to answer it's fine not to, it just makes zero sense to me and set off paranoia bells.

 

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Because if there's one Mason, there's another Mason, and claiming gives you a confirmed town that scum can't CC without getting into a 1v1, which they won't do.