I am divided as I think LochNess is town but there's nothing that is super town in what she has done in this game to go to to say this is why she is always town. It's just like I think Snowvon is mafia but there nothing super mafia in how he is playing to go to that is this is why he is always mafia here.

Snowvon bury LochNess if you can with why she's a witch this game.

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The weakest part of my game is burying people so I am being hypocritical a tiny bit with that request.

Hi dLGN. I have not descended into full blown paranoia yet but it is coming on.

Who do you want to kill today ?

 

Fun fact: I still have no idea what 'burying' means.

She's a Witch because I'm not townreading her as much as other people. Get townreads, lynch the outsiders, ???, profit.

 

oh hey deadline is in 24 hours.

let's, like, lynch someone or whatever.

Hint: it should be Waco.

 

Could you give us a weaker reason to lynch lochness?

Maybe you could flip a coin?



(i went there)

 

Seriously look at Waco's ISO and see all the IIoA.

That's kinda town though (to dLGN)

omg seriously read Waco's ISO though. It's literally 90% asking people for their thoughts, being helpful, and referencing previous games.

This lacks the fire of the game he's referencing where he himself went off on Cobalt. Waco is a pale imitation of himself. Let's kill him.

This is towny Waco though. Like terse/blunt.

Okay it's not a random thing. Talking about WH5, Menace/me, TH5, Priest claims, mechanics, other games, asking how much experience people have, etc.

I'm trying to kind of ignore the lurky-ness because I know Waco has a lot of RL stuff that keeps him from posting a lot, but to me now that I'm going through his ISO it's just like... yeah he has almost 60 posts but his actual thoughts on the game and things that seem to come from a "genuinely working things out" place are just like, minuscule.

I'm not going to quote them all because there are too many, but go look at his ISO and make a notch every time Waco IIoA's/mechanics/metas/asks people vague/softball questions, then match a notch whenever he does, like, a town thing where he says "I think X because Y and Z." You'll have way more of the first kind of notch.

 

Guys I have a video feed of snowvons computer room after he read my last post.



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Do you think Waco is aligned with Lochness? Snowvon? Neither?

 

Idk. Probably you and Jan. <insert dank meme here>

 

I was really hoping to get a chance to work on this game today but I was insanely busy.

I'll reread and catch up in the morning. Sorry, guys!

 

Since I'm buried in work, I'm going to be pulling an all-nighter tonight, so if you have anything targeted specifically towards me ask it now and I'll get to it then.

Sorry I'm playing so reactively, I'll try and make time over the weekend.

 

Been taking a look into the end of Day 1 and not liking what I'm seeing from a couple of players:

Jan:

Votes Lochness into the leading wagon (3-2) over Snowvon, which is fine... except that 9 posts later he posts the following:

Where he has Snowvon as his scummiest player on his wall, and Lochness in a lighter shade on the wall.

Following Lochness' claim, which I thought was premature given Snowvon had become the leading wagon, Jan unvotes, but makes no move to vote for Snowvon, nor any of his other scum reads, despite being around

And then makes these three posts in very quick sucession, as if he was going to vote for Snowvon, note that as shown below, he has over-stated the amount of votes on Snowvon's wagon, and halts any further (in the name of looking towny and preventing a hammer)

Then Jan ends the day by being the vote that lynchs Cobalt, despite saying in multiple ways he disagrees with the lynch. To me it looks like Jan's trying to get town points, while he essentially drops the hammer on a player he knows is town.

Note how he made the vote for Cobalt but not Snowvon, even though he had Von as the most scummy player in the game back on his wall in #635 while Cobalt was a null!

This coupled with the points articulated in Newcomb's #846 have me thinking Jan might be scum. And that if he is, Snowvon is a likely teammate.

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That said, Newcomb didn't cover himself in glory at the end of Day 1 either. He seemed distracted trying to discredit Slippery deep into the day, and while I won't rehash the debate I had with him about lynching into the priest group at the end of Day 1, I continue to believe he was incorrect there.

Newcomb's early reads

First compare these comments to how he played the EoD 1. I don't understand the reads progression at all, it it bugs be that while he may have noted some scum reads, he's never really pushed them.

Cobalt commenting on Newcomb/Loch after Newcomb defends Loch and votes Snowvon

Newcomb on the idea on a Cobalt wagon before it starts

Newcomb talking about a potential Cobalt wagon after Proph casts the 1st vote on Proph, but at the time Snowvon is the main wagon

2 posts later, showing a willingness to flip/flop

Defends Loch again, still fence-sitting on a potential Cobalt vote

While the requested case on Cobalt he wanted to convince him doesn't come, but Newcomb becomes the 6th on Cobalt anyway, with the naked vote.


As for your thoughts on me, I'm literally going to disprove your case by using your own words. I'm just not sure why your falling back on this (bold emphasis is mine)

To respond to your point that I'm not showing the "fire" I did in WH5 like with Cobalt. Yes, that's correct, but it's also a very intentional switch. In reviewing my play post WH5, I felt that I had let my frustration with Cobalt, Lungs, Lucky and Menace, distract me from making correct reads, and was so dissatisfied that I decided to take a break from mafia.

You cited Naruto as me playing towny, but realistically think about that game, if you take a closer look D1 while I was being confrontational with Titus, my reads were awful (check my QT from the game if you need), when I backed off D2, I had the remaining 4 scum dead to rights in my wall, and might have succeeded in finishing the game off if not for Mathblade's stunt.

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TLR; Have concerns about Jan and Newcomb, with potential teams of Jan/Von/x or Newcomb/Loch/x. Think it's unlikely Jan & New are w/w. Of the two think Jan is probably scummier, but think Loch is the scummier of the two current wagons. Not a state of affairs I'm happy about. Gun to my head right now, I'm voting Loch, but want to mull it over for a few hours

FYI: going to bed shortly, will be around in the afternoon, but have to go to a wake that will likely keep me away around deadline.

 

Right now i kinda feel like newcomb has become more town to me the longer the game goes and waco trying to push a wedge inbetween us is something i do not like.

I agree that newcombs initial rainbow looks kinda bad with the result we have right now, but taking those reads for granted and not looking on how the game evolved is kinda narrow minded to me.
More like looking for ways to push scum on people than looking for scum.


Quick response to the Snowvon stuff.
Yes he was bottom tier town, but i also explained that i did not want to kill him, because of some real life explanation he gave.
I was willing to give him a day for that, because his play might just suffer a bit from that, and i had other targets.

I would have voted on him with a similar reason that i voted on cobalt (cobalt was more towny, but i did not want to vota on either at that time).
The reason i misscounted 8 instead of 7 is pretty simple .. there were 4 votes before on snowvon and the vote was posted 4 more times in thread, one of them was snowvon quoting someone else, i only glanced over the bolded red text and fucked it up.


If you think that I am scum, could you explain to me why i claim priest and then rescind it the moment i have the realpriest down to rights and can get him lynched?
As scum i would always trade my life for the confusion i can create by lynching the real priest day1. I might even get another misslynch day 2, i would have won this game already as scum, but please maybe you have a clever reason for why i did what i did.

I kind of want to wait for something from plotless before i decide on how to move on.
He also lives in europe so i hope that he will give us something before they day ends.

I would not be suprised if the world is waco + plotless + either snowvon/lochness.

Waco trying to bind 4 people together, 3 of them being town, would be a high ev case with very weak reasoning. (would even be a good case for him to make if his partners are Newcomb/Snowvon, but that is only my 4th most likely world)

Even if Newcomb is scum, there is no reason to believe he is not scum with von, because he was asking for a reason to switch from von to cobalt.
Wacos worldbuilding just looks off.

Vote TheWacoKid

Should be around for parts of the evening, and will be here for Eod for sure.

 

VOTE Snowvon

For same reasons as yesterday bc I don't have time but I'll hopefully and probably be back before EoD to see where the thread's at and to reread a bit and maybe revote.

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But just in case I won't make it in time

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omg everyone seems likes scum to me again

 

~Vote Count 2.04~

[3] Snowvon ~ LochNess (#865), SlipperyAxII (#919), Aria (#952)
[2] LochNess ~ KaiDASH (#902), Snowvon (#921)
[2] The Waco Kid ~ Newcomb (#910), Jan (#951)

[4] Not Voting ~ dLGN, Plotless, Prophylaxis, The Waco Kid

With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to soft-lynch and 9 votes to hard-lynch!

Deadline is at Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:00:00 PM (Washington DC, District of Columbia time).

1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13 | 1.14 | 1.15 | 1.16 | 1.17 | EOD1
2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03

 

I'm here.

I'll do a couple of targeted rereads and place my vote for the Day.

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Citrus
Cobalt

Prophylaxis
dLGN
SlipperyAxII
Kai
Aria
Plotless
Waco
Jan
LochNess
Newcomb
Snowvon

Three scum in six, which can be sorted out through behavior.

Let's do this.

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[6] Snowvon ~ Aria (#582), LochNess (#608), Newcomb (#632), dLGN (#687), SlipperyAxII (#695), KaiDASH (#699)

TOWN, UNKNOWN, UNKNOWN, TOWN, TOWN, TOWN

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LochNess - You were pressuring Waco Kid Day 1 and now you've switched to Snowvon? Why'd you do that? What do you think of Waco right now, and why do you think Snowvon is likely scum over him?

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Vote LochNess

Did a quick skim and I don't really have any smoking guns against her aside from the switch to Snowvon instead of Waco, which feels opportunistic. I have some scum-team theories, but I'd prefer to snag one in the bag now and then re-evaluate.

Is it possible for AxII to get off another check, if Loch flips town?

 

Cobalt was like alwways town, so if lochness is town we get a real check, always.

And another check afterwards which might be fucked with.

If she is scum then the next check might be corrupted and he will most likely die the night after (depending on angel mindgames).

 

Even if we mislynch here with another check on someone we can probably solve this game.

I'm just so unfamiliar with the players, ugh. I guess I'll reread a bit more later.

 

I think that's interesting at least but I am not sure how to read it. The argument for going on the 'claimed' roles was so I don't get shot in the face if we pick a witch from the others.

I am not going to go into my deductions on who is what as its not helpful. A side note is I've been using point a lot this game so is my subconscious yelling at me to make a connection I have buried from this game.

Another side note is that term bury is used based on the connotation of making a grave then using all the things they have done that game to fill their grave in thus you are trying to bury them.

I actually liked Waco's post there as it is admitting where he has seen a weakness in his play in past games and trying to avoid doing that sort of thing again. I also thought it was a decent analysis of the period of End of Day of both Jan and Newcomb.

The why would I rescind there argument is meh though as it ignores the realities of the other roles in the game. By not rescinding when I could be one of three other roles in that world it has to be painted for me to make that play combined with you shouldn't lynch the claims anyway a rescind is a better choice. It also makes me much less likely to check you that night as well.

I am uncertain on Newcomb and I disagree with the conclusion that there is always one between him and Jan. They could both be the same alignment this game. I thought the check would help me more in figuring out his alignment due to the connections but it hasn't.

I will say it was a decent check which prevented a miss lynch target and I am satisfied with it instead of the purely selfish ones I was actively considering. I've re-read the thread but no startling new insights have emerged in that re-read except my eye hurts now.

I want to just do a tiny bit of trolling to say the witches should try to kill an unconfirmed to paint the world you are 'hunting' for the Hunter or trying to bring 'Dark Judgment' to the Judge.

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I always get one more check no matter what happens but we need to kill a witch today or else it gets really bad based on worst case witch has certain roles scenarios Prophylaxis

 

Close to done with this game. Not only do you guys have no clue about any mechanics or logic in any given game. Even your gutreads stink.

Vote Snowvon

I kinda forgot about the confirmed stuff myself.

I cannot believe no scum voted on dLGN day 1.
I still think kai is more town than scum, which leaves Snowvon and myself.

His play has been more than underwhelming.
As of right now, i think Plotless Waco Snowvon is the team.

I would be fine with lynching plotless as well (or rather lynch into huntershot), but that means we need the hunter to out.

LochNess is a valid lynch, but she didnt vote on dLGN, and i cannot believe there was no scum on it.

 

hey all I am here and going to try to do what I can before EOD but I've been ill today =/

 

People, please vote