And yeah, I do think Jan is townier than most of the other uncomfirmed but he's very polarizing and I'm trying to figure that out

 

Can you explain to me why you felt this way about Newcomb day1 but liked Jan, despite his lynch circle before the reveals were basically the same?

 

I don't think I realized it before Newcomb pointed it out Day2 or whenever he did

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I'm going to do a reread soon and I'll repost thoughts

 

Oh it was brought up. Well... #LookingForwardToDay2

 

Have you read the full game? Pretty sure I've answered these exact questions today.

Scan my ISO if you want more details, but quick hits:

- Waco's pushes lack bite, town!Waco is obvious town and I'm not reading him town, and flipped mafia LochNess has a bad habit of whiteknighting town and never did that with Waco + had bad interactions with him.

- I moved off Loch because I'm an idiot who lets mafia pocket me by going "I think Newcomb is town because he did X and I think it showed Y" and I nod my head and go "hmm yes I am town and I did indeed do those things, be my friend."

 

Newcomb ignore this if you've answer this already but what are your thoughts on Von and LN's interactions?

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side note: lmfao I find it kind of funny how dLGN said found one right after LochNess's post on the first page accidentally or not and it turned out to be true

 

What posts in particular? I don't have time to go back and scan through the whole game right now.

 

I'm currently on post 807, so no, I ask as stuff goes into my mind and while I have people around, you'll notice I didn't ask this stuff when you weren't here, because I work a lot through real time interactions.

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Okay, fair enough. I only have Narutomafia to compare him to, and people in general didn't find him "obvious town" in that game, though that could be due to playing 'priest'

 

Fair enough re: real time interactions. I just don't have a ton of time right now.

Eh, may have overstated it on Waco being completely obvious town when he's town. He was my strongest townread in Narutomafia though. And the difference between him in that game and him in TinyHunt5 where he was mafia with me was pretty damn stark.

 

Newcomb- nothing in particular, just that they kept voting each other during times that it was likely one of them was going to end up getting lynched

 

Newcomb if you have the time, what do you think about Von's defense of Cobalt day1, compared to the one of Fonti last game we played? (if you can remember from your red 'Tea' mist you were in)

 

I think Loch being the Witch!LC makes that pretty null, tbh. Like, town!Von has a genuine motivation of getting a scumread lynched, and scum!Von has a genuine motivation for wanting to kill the Priest with a LC while making himself look good by via bussing.

I think that's less true of D1, but still probably sorta true? Like - if I'm mafia there and I know Slip is town, then I'm like 99.999% sure he's real at EoD1 even though Kai never rescinded. If Kai's mafia then duh, they knew 100% but even if Kai's town, the way Silp claimed makes him pretty fucking obviously real IF you have the pre-knowledge that how he's playing is coming from a town mindset.

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Null to scummy? I thiiiiink he hard-defended town!fonti as a witch in WH12 at EoD1 when you wanted to kill her (hey now we can bond over going face on Priests D1?), which is an obvious parallel to this game.

Of course this game Snowvon himself was a counterwagon. Hm. Loch was as well. Again, witch!LC into Priest D1 isn't, like, the worst thing ever for scum.

Could I see Von doing that as town though, if he had a strong townread on Cobalt? I think so. I think, like, if Haunt wasn't a thing and this was a closed setup, and Cobalt flipped town I'd be more inclined to townread Von for that, but in this case it's more nullish.

Basically my thing with Von right now is, like, it's D3, if Von is town I should have a townread on him at this point, because it's Snowvon. He's not always fluffy bouncy but as town, he's got a certain pep in his step that he's sorely lacking this game.

 

Uh.

You do realize that I called you likely town at the end, there, based off of a lone LochNess interaction?

Why not the other way around? We lynch Waco and then shoot into the PoE.

I still think there's at least one Deep Scum based on how the game has panned out, but I want to lynch Waco first.

 

I hard pushed him to do so though because he was one of my top scums that entire day, this game he was kind of ignored.

I'd still expect a town!Von to defend his reads more viciously if he's as certain as he seemed, it came off about as half-hearted(yes reusing this word) and lazy as I found him that game.

 

Guys, what's deep scum?

And I want Waco lynched, because he's also my strongest scumread and we're still not 100% sure about Newcomb's alignment

 

Hence the "neither here nor there" part.

I want to shoot Waco because I want to say I shot mafia and he's my best chance. I gueeeesss we can do it the other way around though.

Re: Deep Scum. I mean Deep Scum at this point would be Kai or Plotzai. Have you said anything about Kai recently? I can't read him for shit.

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Deep Scum is kinda shorthand for a widely townread witch or a witch out of the PoE.

 

Newcomb- I have the same problem with him. A lot of the meta players are calling him towny and I think I've asked about why, but nobody really responded.
Um, I thought he was towny after his interactions with LN, but then now it's thrown off with the bussing stuff.
I actually just started a KaiDASH focused reread.

 

Counterpoint: how hard could he really defend Cobalt in the literally 10 minutes left to deadline? I don't recall if Cobalt was a strong read of his before that, but we kinda speed-wagoned things EoD1, there wasn't a ton of time for anyone to make a "GTFO this guy is town" wallpost.

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Prophylaxis you're cool losing to "witch!Citrus self-shot as mafia to clear witch!dLGN", right?

That would be the Deepest of Wolves and just a stuuuuuupid play, but if dLGN wasn't clear I'd be at least moderately scumreading him for checking out.

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And going down the list of Deep Wolves, Aria is, like.... pooooossssible? But she's so goddamn town and either self-shot as Witch!Survivalist or used Illusion Kill, and like... nah.

 

I'm a firm believer of Occam's Razor in mafia, and we can speculate on dLGN or Aria being scum but chances are they'll die and we'll have more information at endgame. I would much rather bag a scum body, push them to the edge, and sort stuff out later.

 

Alright I'm out for the night.

One more thing to think about: forcing a DoB claim to direct that shot + town if DoB is in the PoE, but bad if Proph/Aria, and narrows Fanatic/Survivalist for scum IF they don't have them. Worth doing?

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That + was kinda unclear. Restated:

One more thing to think about: forcing a DoB claim to direct that shot would be good for town if DoB is in the PoE, but bad if Proph/Aria, and narrows Fanatic/Survivalist for scum IF they don't have them. Worth doing?

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Who should I shoot if we lynch Waco?