Which is why he's perfect for a career-driven partner, really. There are honestly very few relationships and families that benefit from the "power couple" dynamic.

I find the whole argument weird as hell because there sure is no problem when a high-achieving man wants to settle down with a woman who's fine with not having a big career.

 

People say they hate the Ron/Hermione relationship, but in reality, it's mostly a hatred of Ron himself. You almost never hear "Hermione doesn't deserve to be with Ron", it's pretty much always "Ron doesn't deserve to be with Hermione." It's part of the whole web of Hermione glorification that's aided by dumb fanon tropes and particularly the influence of the films.

We seem to forget that before the advent of the films, Ron was pretty much Hermione in terms of their popularity. Everyone simply loved Ron, and being an H/Hr shipper and a Ron lover was not mutually exclusive as it is close to being now. But bit by bit, the films put his popularity into question, particularly with PoA and GoF, where Ron's characterization is placed in a much more negative light (Ron's reaction to Snape calling Hermione a know-it all, Hermione saying "kill us before you get to Harry" instead of Ron, etc.).

And really, in the book fandom it's only a militant and vocal minority who hate the R/Hr ship, who are mostly located in the "fanfiction quarters", rather in the general fandom. So it isn't as despised as you think it is.

I disagree, if anything Draco/Hermione is more popular.

 

I actually agree with this, I take back my original statement; I was comparing H/HR with R/HR in my head.

 

I think Draco/Hermione is probably popular because it is more interesting to have a Slytherin/Gryffindor pairing than a same house pairing.

 

As someone who went to a boarding school, wtf does being in different houses have to do with the interest quotient of a relationship?

What you probably mean is that it's more interesting to pair a bigot with the kind of person he's bigoted towards.

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Sorry better put would be pairing people who have different views/backgrounds/friends is more interesting. Its just that as the houses are sorted into groups of people who are generally more similar then different house pairings would be more interesting.
But yeah you are right, D/Hr seems more interesting because he is bigoted towards her.

 

People just don't like Ron very much, or feel he's not good enough for Hermione.

I personally think they could make a good couple though.

 

I think that one of the biggest problems they would face is the fact that during DH Ron left. He came back and he was forgiven but I certainly liked him more before he went home and left the quest.

However, I think that for Hermione, who stuck by Harry, with the horcrux, living in that forest without decent food or hygiene through winter, that he left would be hard to forgive. I think it would be more of a deal for her, in a romantic relationship with Ron, than for Harry. It's the sort of thing that comes out in arguments and makes everything toxic.

I just don't see them as that great a couple honestly. Friends yes, but nothing more than that and certainly not babies ever after.

 

Ehh not a huge fan. The brightest mind of her class paired up with the iq of a potato.

 

Care to back up that statement with anything?

Ron got several E's including in potions and was said to be a pretty damn good fighter by Tonks on the escape from Private Drive.

Ron is perfectly normal academically, maybe a little above, with a shit load of practical experience, I would prefer him by my side in a shitstorm than any other student bar Harry.

 

Brekouh, you might want to explain things in the future. Look at the post above yours for an example of what a good post should be like.

Ron might not have been the most academically-minded student of their era, but he could most definitely hold his own and win against older and more experienced wizards, so yeah, not someone with an IQ of a potato.

 

I dislike the pairing primarily because it's a juvenile teenage romance that is not remotely mature in any conceivable way. In high school, a lot of girls may go for the typical bad boy, lazy, athlete jackass and Hermione no doubt would be susceptible to that. However, a few years down the road?

Hermione is a very very driven woman, it's going to take an especially dominant and strong-willed man to capture her attention. I'm not implying that she would become a submissive, rather that she's just not going to be attracted to someone less successful than her. I've known plenty of women in my life like Hermione and all of them are either still single or ended up with men even more successful than them. Basically, women almost always marry UP when it comes to success and status and not down.

What this means is that her ultimate dating pool, given the small magical world, is likely going to be composed of Albus Dumbledore or Harry Potter types (though more of the former than the latter). That is, men who have a long history of success and being mover/shakers in the world. It's is extremely unlikely she would ever settle for anything less. Ron doesn't fit because he has little ambition and always falters when things get tough.

 

TL;DR - I have likely never met an actual highly intelligent woman outside of media, so here's my opinion on how one should act anyway with a bunch of stereotypes about teenagers and how relationships work thrown in.

 

You are confusing ambition and idealism.

Hermione is a JKR insert, so she's the type that will make speeches and write books about this problem and that, and should she have money she will donate to all sorts of causes, but she isn't the type of person to move and shake, as you imply.

She doesn't want to remake the world like those fanfics where Harry creates some unbeatable bloc in the Wizengamot. She wants the world to remake itself in the harmonious and just fashion its intended to exist in (in her mind), and she'll help it get there by pointing out flaws and better solutions.

If all of your quasi-psychological (mostly stereotypical) 'logic' about successful, ambitious women no longer relates to Hermione, then we need new reasons why she would or wouldn't fit with Ron based on actual psychology:

Ron's unclean, disorganized, and generally thoughtless of the future- very low on the two Personality scales she's high on: Conscientiousness and Neuroticism. I base Hermione's scores on her tendency to yell at Ron for his eating and her tendency to expect awful grades no matter how far ahead she is in her studies. Ron's lack of those two traits is too obvious to need examples.

Ron's adventurous, funny, and gregarious- pretty damn high on two scales she is also somewhat high on: Openness to New Experiences and Extroversion. They both are willing to do some utterly crazy stuff for the sake of friendship. They were certainly put in Gryffindor for a reason. Ron goes into a forest filled with his biggest phobia, and Hermione quits school for a whole year (which is her greatest passion) to spend it in a forest with no food, constant anxiety, and little hope.

Ron's stubborn to a fault and likely to poke 'fun' at someone when they piss him off- pretty low on a trait that Hermione is relatively high on: Agreeableness. Even if first year's comment about Hermione was accidentally heard, the things he said to Harry in fourth year on Halloween night were all pretty low and were a clear example of one of Ron's biggest flaws. He shuts down communications whenever he is pressed to a certain stress level and reverts to attacking instead. Hermione is much more likely to attempt communications and look for compromise. Even in sixth year when Hermione is at her most detestable she is looking for reasons to believe Harry. Just because Harry is right in the end doesn't mean that he had any good reasons except a hunch that reasonably seemed biased.

So then what we have is a guy who is lazy, but adventurous; funny, but stubborn; thoughtless, but charismatic (and therefore more physically attractive regardless of his uncertain aesthetic qualities that the book never clearly states).

We have a lady who is overly-focused, but adventurous; fun-loving, but caught up in anxiety; kind-hearted and idealistic.

Usually I'd then add in any joint interests, but that oddly only comes down to 'Harry Potter'. They don't like to do the same things, though sex is certainly an activity that wasn't explored but they both likely enjoyed and would enjoy doing together because they are both adventurous.

I'd say that they would work in the beginning, when the sex is great and Harry is still around. They're all living close together.

Ron and Harry are in the academy as trainee Aurors, and Hermione is excited about whatever rigorous field she has taken up. Stuff seems right.

Harry asks Ginny to marry him first, sure that settling down is the only path. He asks at dinner, after getting her father's permission. He needs to do this family thing right, after all, unlike those Dursleys. Ron slacks off about it, but when he does ask it's sweet, if quaint, and Hermione says yes.

Then comes all the planning for a wedding, and Ron just doesn't give a fuck. It's all girl stuff, and he's tired after training, and can't she just make those decisions because she's going to change it all anyways.

Then comes Ron being unsure about kids but also stubborn when Hermione suggests that they could just wait, because secretly Ron expects Hermione to be a lot like his mom. Hermione still wants to see the world, and she wants to write a book, and witches live forever, so she has all the time in the world.

Then Harry and Ginny have a big, beautiful wedding, and Ron's self-consciousness rears up, and he's sure that he's going to fuck it all up, so he goes about doing everything he can to fuck it up before the big day.

Then the break up.

TL;DR:

Ron and Hermione have three connecting traits: Harry, adventurousness, and gregariousness.

The first trait eventually becomes a negative when Harry's perfect life makes Ron feel bad about himself.

The second and third traits last until the honeymooning phase of any relationship is over when great sex turns into occasional sex and free living turns into responsibilities. Then you need agreeableness to make things work, which Ron lacks, and you need relatively similar levels of conscientiousness and neuroticism, and Hermione and Ron are at entirely opposite ends of those spectrums.

 

You guys are arguing about the possibilities of a goddamn teenaged relationship and whether or not it will last. Before the epilogue, Ron and Hermione are seventeen. Plenty of time to either figure shit out and grow up, or explode, break up, and find someone new. That they wound up together, in the epilogue, is merely JKR's way of saying, "I have nothing better for you on the relationship front, and would really like to wrap things up without the story becoming too long. Thanks!"

You guys are judging Ron by the way he acts from 11-17 years old. I would not use such a judgement to determine his future personality or his ability to make a relationship with Hermione work.

TL;DR There is no "right answer" to this debate.

 

I agree that they have Harry in common, and I guess she wants friends enough to be considered gregarious, but she is hardly agreeable. Isn't the entirety of DH just Hermione being disagreeable and having her way?

As teenagers, Ron and Hermione don't work. Throughout the series they are both as tactless, thoughtless, and unkind as the other.

 

The match does not make sense. Hermione is smart, ambitious, determined, and dedicated. How would you describe Ron, lazy, unmotivated, jealous and average. How can people like a pairing that does not fit at all. If Ron's character has some better traits, people would not mind it so much

 

Perhaps if some people read the books once in a while then people wouldn't mind it so much.