I really am VT. No PR for me

 

Yeah okay but like.

Walk me through the mindset you have as town where you're like "wow I'm under suspicion. I'll claim my role, Vanilla Town, and that will make people believe me for <reasons>." Like, fill in the blank.

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fontisian you asked if I had any questions about your reads - why do you think I was too conservative on Miner? What post of his clinched it for you?

 

I don't really think that will sway you to think I'm town because its VT, but I do want people to start thinking about other people that could be scum. If I do get mislynched, I wanted my role to be known for you can lynch the next scum suspect.

 

No, because they haven't posted like anything.

Maybe ever-so-slightly town on Kai, but it's cancelled by my I-would-hate-myself-if-he-won-as-scum feelings

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Except our role cards flip when we die.

Why didn't you claim something super important? Like doctor or something?

Aka increase the chance you get shot toNight since there's such a high likelihood we lynch SLoth

 

Should I have claimed an important role? I was just telling the truth.

 

Not necessarily, but it's an example of town-thinking in the present I guess

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It may be better to lynch outside Sloth for reasons fontisian right?

 

Oh hi sorry.

Yay, two down.

Vote: Sloth

I'll post more later. This game is basically ezmode now so lol.

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Sloth then demon byebye

gg scum

 

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Should I explain or nah fontisian?

 

If those reasons are "Fonti isn't the cop," then sure.

Unvote

 

We lynch outside Sloth. If fontisian dies we have confirmation on Sloth and get to determine today's lynch with her help. If she lives she gets another check off and we can always lynch Sloth tmrw

Y/N?

 

I'm not lynching demon before sloth after their respective reactions

Might shrug-lynch kai/citrus but

Everything about sloth's reaction was "I'm doing everything possible to not make this a 1 for 1 and figure out if she's actually the cop or gambiting"

Acceptable responses include "lmao found scum vote font", "i claim miller", "It had to be busdriven*"

They don't include "Hey guy I just voted as scum why don't we solve the game together"

*Without taking a magellanistic route to imply it

 

I'm not a fan of the "let's not lynch a red check because reasons" approach.

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Besides if town has a medic we keep Font anyway.

 

Shush. Bouncing a kill > wasting a heal

 

That heal is always going to the claimed cop when Sloth flips scum anyway?

I don't get where you're going here, looks a little bit like self-pres.

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"Let's lynch outside my scumbuddy today and since I'm suggesting it we won't be lynching me so it gives us a day to lynch town and then we shoot the cop to even the odds a little before Sloth goes down."

I have barely read anything in this game so I don't have a read on Citrus which means that observation is pure.

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Are we assuming a team of 3 or 4 here?

I'm trying to crunch parity numbers.

 

Team of 3.

Cool thanks for the obvious level 0 observation, lemme know when you've actually critically evaluated what I proposed

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Wtf does self-preservation even mean there? I'm saying it's better to not talk about possible medic roles, because I'd rather they bounce on Fontisian if they exist then they're used on Fontisian and mafia kill someone else 'wasting the save'

How the fuck does that even involve self-preservation for me at all? I'm Bulletproof, I wouldn't want the medic save on me anyways

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"Let's take the easy opportunity to start scum-reading Citrus while also doubt-casting his potentially town-OP strategy in order to save what little chance of victory is left for my scum-team this game. I'll also not talk about what he proposed AT ALL in order to not give away how I'm scared of the town realizing this."

I have barely read anything in this game so I don't have a read on Cobalt which means that observation is pure.

 

All these flavors and you choose to be salty.

Going from the team of 3 assumption, let me put it this way.

It could be self-preservation because you have a much better shot at winning if you're scum here if you bounce this lynch, snipe the cop, have to bus Sloth the next day but you go down two more townies than you would be if you lost Sloth now.

9:3 became 9:2 with the Von lynch and then 8:2 with the Titus kill. We lynch the red check now and we land at 8:1 and I don't see town losing with those numbers.

You bounce the lynch onto a townie and you land at 7:2 and then the night kill winds up at 6:2 with the cop dying. Speedlynch Sloth in that scenario and we wind up at 5:1 for the next day phase which is easily maneuverable if you're scum Citrus, I can see you making it through two phases.

Tell me why the second numbers are better regardless of medic saves?

 

Guys, seriously, I'm not the cop.

 

I'm literally proposing it for discussion, it's a thought I had and I'd rather people evaluate it (like you're now doing, thank you) than just dismissing it.

You're not treating both scenarios objectively.

A) Why assume that following this plan I'm not lynched today?

B) Either scenario Sloth gets lynched. The odds post-toMorrow ending are exactly the same in either scenario. The difference is in the order. Lynching Sloth toMorrow provides some public doubt as to Fontisian being a town-believed cop which increases the chances she survives toNight.

C) In a scenario where Fontisian always dies toNight, Fontisian can give input on the lynch toDay, where we are going to lynch Sloth toMorrow. In the opposite scenario we lynch Sloth, she can't provide input or pressure anyone toMorrow because she's dead

D) Days with a pretty much locked in lynch (PRIME EXAMPLE D1 SNOWVON) get completely wasted and noone does anything. At least we can try to have a semblance of a real Day. Worst case everyone gets cold feet about mislynching and we can swap to Sloth, vs. in picking to just lynch Sloth we completely blow the day (just look, like nothing is happening now)

Vote: Kai

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Unvote

Vote: Sloth

 

A) Because if you're scum here you're not letting that happen.

B) If Fonti is town gambiting anyway she's still gonna die. And if she isn't the cop then that's even better because we go into Day 3 with two scum down and a living cop with likely two other checks??????? How is that not the most optimal scenario

C) Nothing is stopping Fontisian from poking and prodding toDay to see what we should do next. Whether she's the cop or VT or some other role just covering, if/when she flips town we have those reads to work with ANYWAY, so there's no reason to risk putting town at a disadvantage just for the sake of bouncing a lynch to change the order and (unlikely) get a lucky shot off.

D) Or ya know we can poke people to actually post and/or withhold votes until close to deadline so that we have another like 3 days of activity to work with those Fonti reads that are so important to you ja feel?

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I don't like this. What?

Fonti's WIFOMing to hopefully dodge the bullet. Why does that suddenly make you flip EVERYTHING you wanted to do completely on its head?

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I want more posts toDay now that I'm in it to win it. We shouldn't get Sloth close to hammer range or he can just nail it in himself.

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Citrus was kind of shooting defense for Sloth on D1 a bit, y/n?

 

A) Because if you're scum here you're not letting that happen.

Soooooooo why is this true for scenario toDay but not toMorrow?? You're biasing the scenarios again

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Why is your audience changing from me to the thread? Are you trying to get someone to bite on a scum-read on me? Why not just vote me yourself while you're at it?

You're being a little obvious about trying to setup a scum-read on me, except you didn't vote me. You're not trying to determine your alignment, you're pushing arguments to conclude that I'm scum.

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Vote: Cobalt

legoo

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Hint: this is the part where you vote me back